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KaluGOSU
United States171 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:24 Candadar wrote: Just am a bit conflicted. Not sure I can get used to only 12(?) units at a time, especially if I go zerg or something. How do I work hotkeys in this scenario? I'm thinking of going either Z or T, can't decide. 1a2a3a4a5a6a gg | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:24 Candadar wrote: Just am a bit conflicted. Not sure I can get used to only 12(?) units at a time, especially if I go zerg or something. How do I work hotkeys in this scenario? I'm thinking of going either Z or T, can't decide. You re-hotkey if necessary, it's about priority. Do you really need to have all the hatcheries hotkeyed? Can you get away with using F2-F4 to cover hatchery production? Do you really need to hotkey a bunch of lings that you're sending to die to random spidermines? I'm not sure what the 'proper' way to deal with this is for each race. Either way you will probably end up facing situations were the interface just won't be enough for you to do whatever you feel like no matter how fast and refined your mechanics are. That's what makes the game beautiful IMO. You're not just trying to outplay your opponent, you're trying to beat the game itself as well. Btw. You should go through liquipedia, there will probably a lot of knowledge on proper hotkey usage. I'm trying to figure this stuff out by myself  | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
bw is a awsome game with lots of friendly ppli suggest to join the sgs. clan its disinged for noobys | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote: Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times. Fun..... What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days. On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote: Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun. With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun. Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games. | ||
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Intact
Sweden634 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:26 Chef wrote: What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days. Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games. I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote: I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead If that's what has happened to you.... that's like worst luck on the planet. I've played plenty of games but other than a couple ling and hydra allins from 2/3 hatches I haven't run into anything resembling cheese. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote: I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead You got cannon rushed and proxy 2 gate 6 times in a row on Iccup ? Do you play zerg at least ? Cause honestly, I've been proxy 2-gated on ladder maybe twice, as for cannon rush, meh, it's not always cheese. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:49 L_Master wrote: If that's what has happened to you.... that's like worst luck on the planet. I've played plenty of games but other than a couple ling and hydra allins from 2/3 hatches I haven't run into anything resembling cheese. True. I have never been cannon rushed or proxy gated before and I've played quite a few games already (50+ ladder games & a lot of practice games). Anyway if you want to avoid this altogether there's nothing easier than joining sGs (search TL) and finding a few fellows to practice with. If you ask me, I haven't cheesed anyone before and have no such intentions in the next 2 years at least. | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
On February 24 2012 22:52 jpak wrote: iccup first. Then once you reach C+/B-, then start playing on the Korean Fish server. Then this hurt me (6 years in the making) | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
Good luck hopefully you dont get to frustrated and just quit brood war. | ||
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Smileforyouandme
Germany11 Posts
 played Z in sc2 decided to get into bw, so far have made 86 - 153 on iccup and hit c- for few games (xDDD yeahw). but still struggling a lot. but its really fun... have played until 4.30am quite a lot recently. sometimes its frustrating esp. if i play vs T mech turtle, but u know... play one cs match, get cool, start again...good stuff :D | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:54 Stratos wrote: You re-hotkey if necessary, it's about priority. Do you really need to have all the hatcheries hotkeyed? Can you get away with using F2-F4 to cover hatchery production? Do you really need to hotkey a bunch of lings that you're sending to die to random spidermines? I'm not sure what the 'proper' way to deal with this is for each race. Either way you will probably end up facing situations were the interface just won't be enough for you to do whatever you feel like no matter how fast and refined your mechanics are. That's what makes the game beautiful IMO. You're not just trying to outplay your opponent, you're trying to beat the game itself as well. Btw. You should go through liquipedia, there will probably a lot of knowledge on proper hotkey usage. I'm trying to figure this stuff out by myself As zerg you can easily get away with not hotkeying all your units. For example, lets say youre using 4-0 as hatcheries, have your most micro-demanding units hotkeyed (mutas, maybe a group of lurkers, defilers, etc..). For the rest of the units you can use mouse only and go like box-a box-a small chunks of your army. If you choose to use f2-f3-f4 as 3 hatches, that frees up say 4 5 6 as hotkeys and you should be able to fit a decent sized army in 6 control groups. Note that re-hotkeying is pretty important as the game progresses, e.g use 4-0 for hatches until you take a 4th then start using f keys or whatever suits you better. Really, it comes down to what you feel most comfortable with. Jaedong doesnt use 8-9-0 and I think we can all agree that it worked pretty well for him, so you should definitely experiment with a bunch of setups. | ||
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TheFlock
United States389 Posts
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Cooleh
United Kingdom63 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:29 OPKutty wrote: I guess I'm another person who discovered brood-war by playing SC2. Whenever I get bored of SC2 I'll just go and play some BW. I play Zerg in both games and the only thing I really miss going back to BW is covering the map in creep lol. Both games are fun to play, however laddering in BW seems to be a lot more srsbsns than in SC2. Just spam hatcheries and sunkens everywhere to cover the map in creep! oldschool | ||
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DKing6297
United States78 Posts
btw... Steel might be fun but nothing, and I mean NOTHING compares to raining storms down a field of tanks and watching them crumble to nothing! | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote: I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead That's insane, its definitely just bad luck. There aren't that many cheesers on iccup, the ones that do are usually 9 pool, 2 hat lurker allin, 3 gate, 3 rax. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On February 24 2012 16:12 elKaDor wrote: for sure, but SC2 is opposite, no matter if i win 100 games in a row i dont feel satisfied. god blizz did a total failure with sc2 i seriously blame sc2's music the game is much more enjoying with bw music | ||
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AyameStarcraft
United Kingdom192 Posts
Finally getting the hang of hotkeys a little. For some reason BW is VERY picky about what key presses register. 1a2a3a4a5a tends to leave, e.g. groups 2 and 4 behind at my old location. I think it has something to do with how I'm clicking my mouse. Until I figure it out you can tell on my stream that I slowly go 1 a click 2 a click etc. Kind of annoying. Beginning to slowly understand the game a little beyond marine medic. TvP is my main focus and my FD build is getting a little tighter. I must repeat my sentiment that speed vultures are amazzzzing. GL HF all! | ||
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Candadar
2049 Posts
I go to iCCUP's website, and on my NotScripts I see this: ![[image loading]](http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg28/scaled.php?server=28&filename=spylog.jpg&res=medium) Now I know thousands of people have used this website, so again, I'm most likely just overreacting over nothing. However, I don't like doing things to my computer that I'm unsure about is all. =/ | ||
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