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dartoo
India2889 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On February 24 2012 11:50 TehTemplar wrote: Maybe I should also learn how to play brood war xD What's the broodwar equivalent of SC2 copper? That's where I'd be  Good luck! SC2 bronze you mean? It just means you will lose more games initially before you start winning. Luckily the learning path is much easier to understand in BW than SC2 because its more defined. BW liquipedia has much more useful information than SC2, and in the SC2 strategy section you will see all these builds and you never know which ones are actually viable. Often in SC2 you will hit ceilings where you just don't know how to get better, you should never have this problem in BW, because worst comes to worst, you can just improve your mechanics and game-sense. Its much easier to understand why you lost in BW too, because at the core, the game is much simpler. That makes losses a lot less frustrating for a lot of people. However you will find your biggest leaps in improvement will come when you understand strategy and how to execute builds a lot more which you have to discover on your own watching replays/vods/friends. | ||
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AyameStarcraft
United Kingdom192 Posts
I keep hitting L or i or 0 instead....gah. Practice practice practice. Play play play | ||
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CakeSauc3
United States1437 Posts
 but yeah, TvZ is almost impossible for me in BW, which I guess makes sense because it's my worst matchup in sc2. I'm happy, though, because so far I'm undefeated in TvT :D | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On February 24 2012 12:54 AyameStarcraft wrote: So I hate the siege mode button. Why does it have to be o I keep hitting L or i or 0 instead....gah. Practice practice practice. Play play play Keep up the good work! I'm actually considering changing my tanks hotkey from 3-4 to 7-8 for this reason as well. On February 24 2012 13:01 CakeSauc3 wrote: I'm in the same situation as the OP - I just started playing bw ICCUP a couple of days ago because my laptop keeps on shutting down when I'm in the middle of a game of sc2, and bw doesn't take near the graphics power to run, so my computer has no trouble with it. BW is a great game, and I've always enjoyed playing it, but this is the first time I've ever played it competitively at all. Laddering with it is fun but yeah, TvZ is almost impossible for me in BW, which I guess makes sense because it's my worst matchup in sc2. I'm happy, though, because so far I'm undefeated in TvT :DAt low levels players will often go 2 hatch lurker all in. There is a very specific and tricky way to defend against this reactively (3 bunkers, turrets, range upgrade, tank or drop). Plus you don't have orbital so you have to decide when to get a comsat. You are probably better off just going mech or early siege biomech until you get better multitask. Also 1 turret also won't save you from mutas, you will need at least 2 or 3 per base depending on muta count. Have a look for Stylish's 1 base 2 fact armory speed vults/mines into expand goliaths/tanks, its a very solid build especially for low ranks. FE mech is a lot harder to do and lower level players will just die to any aggression. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On February 24 2012 09:23 sluggaslamoo wrote: Best thing about BW, even if you lose your first 300 games, you will still get addicted. *Worst thing about BW. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
lol so true. ive lost so many games that i know I should uninstall but i just keep coming back. i can lose 20 games in a day but if i win the last one then it just makes it all worth it. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On February 24 2012 12:54 AyameStarcraft wrote: So I hate the siege mode button. Why does it have to be o I keep hitting L or i or 0 instead....gah. Practice practice practice. Play play play the funny thing is I have mine as q seige and w unseige in SC2 also the other funny thing is one time I was playing in BW (against computer mind you) and making marines from M, so then I played SC2 and I kept on lifting my barracks (N) because I kept missing M (not to mention A = marines in SC2) =_='' | ||
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SockArms
United States591 Posts
On February 24 2012 12:12 JPoPP wrote: not sure if anyone can help me here but I'm having this problem trying to install the iccup launcher, and I am running it on admin. problem ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/0VZ67) picture is broke for me so heres a link does anyone else know anything about this I have all the permissions and it still giving me the same error kinda annoying | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On February 24 2012 08:29 OPKutty wrote: I guess I'm another person who discovered brood-war by playing SC2. Whenever I get bored of SC2 I'll just go and play some BW. I play Zerg in both games and the only thing I really miss going back to BW is covering the map in creep lol. Both games are fun to play, however laddering in BW seems to be a lot more srsbsns than in SC2. At least the unit speed makes up for itself and doesn't have to be on creep. Entirely different. Got to love hydras too ;D | ||
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Saline
United States73 Posts
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote: Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun. With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun. Wait, are you like the only person alive who prefers Bnet 2.0 to the original one lol? | ||
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bpgbcg
United States74 Posts
On February 24 2012 14:51 Louuster wrote: Wait, are you like the only person alive who prefers Bnet 2.0 to the original one lol? Tbh to me the SC2 matchmaking system makes up for everything. It annoys me in BW when for me a "good season" is going 3-20. I keep setting up my "1v1 D-" games and random D+ people keep joining. If I weren't in D minus minus minus this wouldn't be a problem though lol. Back to the topic of the thread, I just started playing BW a few weeks ago in order to have some variety with SC2 (I played BW for about a year before SC2 came out, but with the SC2 skills I have learned I am a lot better than I used to be). I am plat Zerg SC2 and Terran BW, so I'm getting used to this whole "micro" thing where you do something that is not a-moving zerglings and banelings. Also, I am terrible at tank pushes TvP. And I don't know how to deny bases or harass once they're up. The army is so immobile T_T. It's fun though. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On February 24 2012 14:11 JPoPP wrote: does anyone else know anything about this I have all the permissions and it still giving me the same error kinda annoyingrightclick, run as admin? | ||
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Iri
150 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On February 24 2012 15:03 bpgbcg wrote: Tbh to me the SC2 matchmaking system makes up for everything. It annoys me in BW when for me a "good season" is going 3-20. I keep setting up my "1v1 D-" games and random D+ people keep joining. If I weren't in D minus minus minus this wouldn't be a problem though lol. Back to the topic of the thread, I just started playing BW a few weeks ago in order to have some variety with SC2 (I played BW for about a year before SC2 came out, but with the SC2 skills I have learned I am a lot better than I used to be). I am plat Zerg SC2 and Terran BW, so I'm getting used to this whole "micro" thing where you do something that is not a-moving zerglings and banelings. Also, I am terrible at tank pushes TvP. And I don't know how to deny bases or harass once they're up. The army is so immobile T_T. It's fun though. Some people will say this is really bad advice but I found 5-6 fact 3 machine-shop late timing as a really nice stepping stone for learning how to push. Once I won a few games, my execution improved a lot more and was able to push with less facts and get my 3rd faster. Its just really hard when you are starting out and sieging a second too late and dying or expanding and losing your 3rd base immediately. This timing will give you enough buffer that even if you siege a bit late, forget to mine, macro slips a bit, you will still have a chance of winning. With good macro agaisnt D players you don't even need to seige and can just a-move tanks. Basically you will hit a timing where Protoss won't have that many units and you will have a lot more, because Toss will be getting his 3rd off a low gate count by then. Once you get used to pushing you can then reduce the factory count and expand earlier so it will be a lot less allin-ish. | ||
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emjaytron
Australia544 Posts
It is definitely fun, just macroing stuff out and clicking real fast is fun really, never mind actually fighting people. Now that I'm back home with my desktop I might have to give it another go (with stable internet this time so I don't get continually booted from iccup games.) also I will take that piece of advice about using function keys to save camera locations for macro. I keep having to look down at my keyboard to find M, O, etc. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
If you want to get better faster though, definitely watch progamer replays. My friend got two whole Iccup ranks better than me just by writing down Jaedong's builds and copying them. He told me, "Wow, Jaedong uses really good builds." Suddenly he could win games, which is refreshing when you're a beginner (you can easily lose 10-20 games in a row even if you're trying hard). One of the great things about BW though is you will have fun playing it at a high level, and you will have fun if you are absolutely terrible like me. BW is fun at every level! So play it the way you like it. | ||
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elKaDor
Sweden376 Posts
for sure, but SC2 is opposite, no matter if i win 100 games in a row i dont feel satisfied. god blizz did a total failure with sc2 | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote: Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun. With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun. Clearly not a Protoss player  . Hi Saline | ||
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