EPTIs Flash really invincible? - Page 4
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
On September 14 2010 10:24 LuigiNMario wrote: Flash never went on a serious slump before did he? I think he went on a "serious" slump when he was 14 ccing every game and everyone figured him out and demolished him. That's the only time i can think of when he went on a "serious" slump. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Ideas
United States8148 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:06 Holgerius wrote: Depends on how you define ''serious''. He didn't make a single Starleague final for almost 2 years, but he was pretty much permanently in the Top 3 in ELO, always maintained a sick winrate and was never back in any offline preliminaries (like even JD has been). he was actually out of top 5 for a while if i remember correctly (summer 09 was pretty much his low point). back when leta and fantasy were doing much better than him in leagues. | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
Bonjwa. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:23 dogabutila wrote: The funny thing is that this series came down to flash deciding to scout east or south in game 3. 50-50. Flash makes the right decision and people hail him as bonjwa. flash wasn't the one who used a strategy that as you pointed out can be shut down by scouting. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:23 dogabutila wrote: The funny thing is that this series came down to flash deciding to scout east or south in game 3. 50-50. Flash makes the right decision and people hail him as bonjwa. This series was 3-1, not 3-2, so no it didn't come down to that. But a series that was 2-2 and did come to that was Stork skipping a 2nd cannon which even allowed dong to make it to the finals to begin with. The reason netizens accepted flash as bonjwa is because he has shown himself to dominate indisputably. This past year he has dominated dong 3-0 in bo5's so you can't blame 1 game for all of that, and made 3 back to back dual finals (winning 4). He's also dominated proleague and WL. This isn't a case of "oh he won 1 game by lucky scouting = bonjwa". Face it, there will always be the person that says "you know, I'm not quite convinced yet... lets see if he can win the next league as well" (as was the case pretty much this entire year). | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:23 dogabutila wrote: The funny thing is that this series came down to flash deciding to scout east or south in game 3. 50-50. Flash makes the right decision and people hail him as bonjwa. Yeah, that's why. Nothing to do with him having the best year ever or anything. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Flash is a skill powerhouse. Seriously. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:23 dogabutila wrote: The funny thing is that this series came down to flash deciding to scout east or south in game 3. 50-50. Flash makes the right decision and people hail him as bonjwa. I can't decide whether I find this post funny or just plain irritating. I'm kinda leaning towards irritating. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
His most Potent Weapon is his game sense , no matter what you do , Flash always has an answer or already knows your plans and is busy laying Down defenses. There is no programmer more scary than a one that can Read and predict your moves like an open book. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On September 14 2010 14:39 GolemMadness wrote: Yeah, that's why. Nothing to do with him having the best year ever or anything. Right, because if JD won the series 3-1 people would still be calling flash bonjwa... On September 14 2010 14:39 moopie wrote: This series was 3-1, not 3-2, so no it didn't come down to that. But a series that was 2-2 and did come to that was Stork skipping a 2nd cannon which even allowed dong to make it to the finals to begin with. The reason netizens accepted flash as bonjwa is because he has shown himself to dominate indisputably. This past year he has dominated dong 3-0 in bo5's so you can't blame 1 game for all of that, and made 3 back to back dual finals (winning 4). He's also dominated proleague and WL. This isn't a case of "oh he won 1 game by lucky scouting = bonjwa". Face it, there will always be the person that says "you know, I'm not quite convinced yet... lets see if he can win the next league as well" (as was the case pretty much this entire year). Yes, it did. How the previous games went affect how the later games play out. Really people, how many of you would call flash bonjwa before this series honestly? This was the make or break series that would determine (in most peoples eyes) weather or not flash deserved it or not. As was pointed out in the OP, a lot of the flash v jaedong games ARE non-standard for whatever reason. I'm not denying flash bonjwa status. Its funny how quickly how many fanboys jump to the defense. But the truth is, the moment that clinched it, the moment that got him that status was the correct decision to scout east instead of south. Its pretty much the same as the shot that turned jordan from a mediocre (not that flash is) collegate player into the GOAT. I'm drawing parallels, but then of course anything except for immediate worship means you are insulting a favorite player :-/ | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
Also there is chance involved, but it would be ridiculous to claim that Flash has won 3 finals vs JD by chance alone. The odds of that being the chance are pretty pretty pretty slim. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:10 dogabutila wrote: Right, because if JD won the series 3-1 people would still be calling flash bonjwa... Right, because if Flash loses game 3 he automatically loses a game 4 which he otherwise won to a player whom he just beat in two straight BO5's. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
he just doesn't lose ... | ||
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ilikejokes
United States217 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:10 dogabutila wrote:Its pretty much the same as the shot that turned jordan from a mediocre (not that flash is) collegate player into the GOAT. I'm drawing parallels, but then of course anything except for immediate worship means you are insulting a favorite player :-/ Uh, to which shot are you referring? The shot he made against Georgetown? I hope this is a joke because Jordan isn't the GOAT because of the ball he played in college. He's the GOAT because there was no player before him and there never will be another player after him that has the same pure, unadulterated drive to defeat his opponents and assert his dominance. The way I see it, BoxeR isn't the Emperor of Terran because he had cute Dropship micro. He's the Emperor of Terran because his passion and dedication to winning outstripped any of his opponents and drove him to dominate in a time when Terran was looked at as being a weaker race than Zerg or Protoss. Similarly, I think these past two finals have demonstrated Flash's dedication and passion. I'd still describe Flash and Jaedong as "co-bonjwas," even though Jaedong lost, because Jaedong obviously has that same passion and dedication. It's like the Bird-Magic debate. You can't say which one is the greater player, even though Magic had two more NBA championships. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 14 2010 15:10 dogabutila wrote: Really people, how many of you would call flash bonjwa before this series honestly? /me raises his hand. And no, again I don't think that if JD won with his second cheese he would have taken the series for sure, I think claiming that "the series came down to that!" is a bit ridiculous as they would have still had another game to go, and it could have gone either way. For me it was more about the 3 back to back dual finals, and the performance in PL and WL. It was this year as a whole that made him undisputed. Winning dual leagues (both vs JD) in the same round just happened to be the nail in the coffin. We'll see if JD can bring the pain next season and show that he can cut flash down to size. If JD comes back next season, takes flash out in a couple finals, their rivalry will once again be more or less deadlocked, but as for this year, Flash has pulled way ahead of everyone, JD included. | ||
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p14c
Vatican City State431 Posts
BTW: Sea beat Jaedong on Dreamliner even when Jaedong was using mutas so if Sea did it then of course Flash could do it. Also Flash is the only player that beat Jaedong on Katrina so this must mean something. In their last meetings Flash was always one step ahead of Jaedong. He beat him with standard play (SK terran), he beat him with cheese, he beat him with greedy macro (14cc), mech, timing pushes, all-in golliaths (lol)...So yeah there is nothing more for Flash to prove. The only excuse for Jaedongs fans are now the maps (Katrina, Zergliner remember). | ||
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
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