I would say that Flash and Jaedong are about even in mechanics but I think that Flash is ahead of Jaedong right now because he has been switching it up from his usual 14 cc and Flash is using mind games alot better than Jaedong is currently.

LuigiNMario

United States456 Posts

September 14 2010 01:24 GMT

#22

Flash never went on a serious slump before did he?

LuigiNMario

United States456 Posts

September 14 2010 01:24 GMT

#23

On September 14 2010 10:24 manicsquare wrote:
I would say that Flash and Jaedong are about even in mechanics but I think that Flash is ahead of Jaedong right now because he has been switching it up from his usual 14 cc and Flash is using mind games alot better than Jaedong is currently.

Flash's starsense is slightly better than jd.

vectorix108

United States4633 Posts

September 14 2010 01:25 GMT

#24

maybe we will see a rematch in the WCG finals?

KristianJS

2107 Posts

September 14 2010 01:29 GMT

#25

Basically this. JD's mechanics are definitely right up there, but Flash has got a definite edge over JD right now because his game sense is a lot better and he's better at the mindgames most of the time.

JD still has the potential to beat Flash, no doubt about that. I mean, JD is one of the greatest players of all time. But he'll have to improve his mental game against Flash to have a chance.

bjwithbraces

United States549 Posts

September 14 2010 01:33 GMT

#26

If flash is invincible how do we see him when he plays?

dybydx

Canada1764 Posts

September 14 2010 01:37 GMT

#27

On September 14 2010 10:33 bjwithbraces wrote:
If flash is invincible how do we see him when he plays?

we expect him to 3-0 JD.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

September 14 2010 01:39 GMT

#28

There is no such thing as being ''invincible'' in SC, it is not impossible to beat him. There is however no way anyone can possibly deny that right now he is above everyone else (including JD) in a way that's pretty much unprecedented. SC isn't only about pure mechanical skill, things like mindgames are very important. JD fans should know this better than most people since that's one of the biggest reasons to why JD's one of the best of all time. And I really do not understand how some people try to argue that pre-planning map specific strategies somehow diminishes the awesomeness of the results.

Mobius

Canada1268 Posts

September 14 2010 01:43 GMT

#29

imo, the next osl maps should be the opposite of the ones in shinhan bank osl season 3..

then lets see flash has what it takes

edit: + Show Spoiler +

or same maps and make him play zerg+ Show Spoiler +

with 1 hand

On September 14 2010 10:45 mimikami wrote:

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He is invincible not invisible lmao

LOL

mimikami

France77 Posts

September 14 2010 01:45 GMT

#30

On September 14 2010 10:33 bjwithbraces wrote:
If flash is invincible how do we see him when he plays?

He is invincible not invisible lmao

champignones

Panama160 Posts

September 14 2010 01:52 GMT

#31

if starcraft were purely mechanical, i wouldnt watch it, and yes i do believe he has a far edge from jaedong thou jae fans are to stubborn to see it. no one ever talks about game 4 on OSL, when he was continously killing jaes expos and pressuring a lot, despite being dropped by lurkers and shit, you may as well say that other terran can execute that, well no, no terran can execute that without loosing other aspects of the game as well as Flash is prepared to, and we are talking about the best zerg ever not some random zerg trying to built expansions while dropping and containing, which you should know jae excels at.

you see all of the games jae has won against flash, lets see, hanna daetoo, 3- oed , big file, he won game 4 ONLY thanks to flashs stupid mistakes , G3 was the only really deserved by him. OSL , only won by 4 pooling and thats it and tryed another are you serious? two 4 pooling? is this a joke? cant you win playing normal?, cant you see it? i mean are you that blind?.

and then jae fans come saying how 14 CC its so imba after bigfile and hanna daetoo, well gets what he changed it , he didnt do even one 14 CC, thou it will be and autoloose thanks to the pathetic 4 pooling of jae, i mean everybody were angry when flash cheesed and called him cheeser terran, well guess what i am angry about jaedong, 4 pooling? you trully doesnt stand a chance against flash, i mean one is ok but two?, way too desperate

And every jae fan kept saying how awesome he was in mindgames so that other players couldnt match him in a BO5 , well flash has now and now you say its due to luck and map imbalance. even jaedong dont pay attention to these claims , when he loose he says simply it was my fault, jae fan should do the same considering jae hasnt win against flash mech just yet.

Anomarad

Canada565 Posts

September 14 2010 01:52 GMT

#32

I think the only thing that can beat Flash at this point is himself. He's getting to the point where he's achieving all his goals and sooner or later he'll lose that passion to be number 1. Then the next generation will begin.

BCH

Philippines88 Posts

September 14 2010 01:57 GMT

#33

im sorry. but i think he is..

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

September 14 2010 01:59 GMT

#34

As a hardcore Jaedong fan.

Flash is invincible. He is Bonjwa. He is the greatest player to ever play the game.

There is no more discussion.

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

September 14 2010 02:00 GMT

#35

Even if he slumps and diminishes power and loses and suddenly Jaedong overtakes him.

Flash has also done everything he needs to do to permanently cement himself into the all time greatest list.

MiyaviTeddy

Canada697 Posts

September 14 2010 02:02 GMT

#36

He's quite the boss player.

Considering though that he fought jaedong more times this year in several finals, he might've been able to pick something up that can go against Jaedong. Hell, for all we know, there might be something in the games that we can't see that could be "Jaedong specific" and destroy him.

On the other hand, he's been nothing less then being extremely solid, if not nothing less then excellence.

Personally, my hopes were on Jaedong.

But a win's a win and earning himself a golden mouse does mean something.

moopie

12605 Posts

September 14 2010 02:10 GMT

#37

No, nobody is invincible. Sooner or later, everyone retires or gets sloppy enough that they get surpassed. This is certainly his day in the sun though, and now begins the race to see who can topple him.

Mumei

United States270 Posts

September 14 2010 02:11 GMT

#38

He's not invincible. It would take someone with mechanics as good as Flash and able to match him in mind games and game sense to beat him consistently, though, so I'll be betting on him for the foreseeable future. I think Jaedong has the mechanics, but is behind on the other two. Fantasy seemed to be able to compete in mind games / game sense during the MSL semifinals, too.

I can't think of others who feel like they might have the potential, though.

Ethelis

United States2400 Posts

September 14 2010 02:17 GMT

#39

If Bisu were to recover his old sense at least (note: not surpass) and improve his decision making he would stand a chance. Stork also if he improved his multitasking a bit.

Animostas

United States568 Posts

September 14 2010 02:31 GMT

#40

In Starcraft, skill isn't everything. Luck still plays a very important factor. If you're a Terran just think of the number of times you scouted a Protoss last and sees that he went for a 12Nexus, even though you have say, the perfect bunker rush that you could have used if you scouted him first or second.

I think that to beat Flash, you just need a build order advantage, and seriously abuse that whenever you get that chance. What also makes Flash difficult to beat is that although he's so well-known for his 2base 2Armory push, he still mixes it up with bunker rushes, proxy raxes, etc., thereby making him basically unpredictable.