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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 07:09:14
September 14 2010 07:02 GMT
#81
Bonjwas aren't invincible. And even for the most invincible there's always power shutdown and chicken-pox. Flash has done a great job in BW vs great players, so he is great too. I don't appreciate his style much, I wish he could pull off convincing wins with many more different styles, but he won them all.
Currently, NaDa is still probably greater overall, but Flash has so much time, he could become a Schumacher of BW and make the whole scene boring to level that people are only interested in the second place. I think he should, even if I'm not a fan of his (or Schumacher's).
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 14 2010 07:19 GMT
#82
On September 14 2010 16:02 figq wrote:
Bonjwas aren't invincible. And even for the most invincible there's always power shutdown and chicken-pox. Flash has done a great job in BW vs great players, so he is great too. I don't appreciate his style much, I wish he could pull off convincing wins with many more different styles, but he won them all.


Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.
Remember Violet.
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
September 14 2010 07:21 GMT
#83
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


ultra + ling under swarm
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 14 2010 07:22 GMT
#84
On September 14 2010 16:21 bluetrolls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


ultra + ling under swarm


:p

Flash used to play zerg before switching to terran so I'm sure he has!

But I'm sure you understood what I meant by style.
Remember Violet.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
September 14 2010 07:24 GMT
#85
On September 14 2010 16:21 bluetrolls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


ultra + ling under swarm

not funny

And to all the people who has Flash is boring because he plays only 1 style, have you watched any Savior games? 3 hatch muta -> fast defiler...booooooooooooooooooooooring. Any Oov games? FE into macro bot -> boooooooooring. Any Boxer games? 80% of the time he does all-ins. Booooooooooring. At least Nada is had more variety, only he can be bonjwa seems like it.
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 14 2010 07:25 GMT
#86
What? Boxer's used like every strategy and style ever.
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2595 Posts
September 14 2010 07:32 GMT
#87
Flash is pretty much invisible in TvZ if he's using Mech late game.... can't think of any possible way Z can avoid/counter/beat that (assuming its a slightly T-favoured map)
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 07:51:55
September 14 2010 07:46 GMT
#88
Of course he's not invincible. At the level these guys play at I think a slump is always just around the corner. It takes massive amounts of dedication and natural skill to avoid slipping. Even the best will succumb eventually, and in a sport as fickle as pro BW it can happen anytime.

The only real debate concerns the b-word, and this to me is already settled. No matter what happens from here, Flash is bonjwa. Nothing can take away his utter dominance this year, especially considering he basically manhandled the only other player who could lay any claim to the bonjwa title themselves.

I think in Jaedong's case, we need more data. To his fans, he is bonjwa already...but a definitive answer will come from how he does next year.



ATOBTTR
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
September 14 2010 07:54 GMT
#89
Flash is currently the best, but he's not invincible in the current playoff-type system. Effort and the two vT snipers Skyhigh and Snow have all showed strength against Flash. Effort is on a 4 win streak against him, and his OSL win was very convincing, overtaking a 0-2 deficit, despite having to restart a game where he was in the lead. This shows he's got the skills and mental strength to beat Flash.
Skyhigh is 3-1 vs Flash, with 2 wins in a row, including a impressively flawless 50+ minute macro battle.
It's too early to tell Snow's potential, but he's one of the most promising young players around, and I've never seen Flash get owned as hard as he did against Snow on Fighting Spirit.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 14 2010 07:54 GMT
#90
lol, no he is not invincible and he will never be, thats the beauty of starcraft
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
September 14 2010 07:57 GMT
#91
On September 14 2010 16:22 TwoToneTerran wrote:
But I'm sure you understood what I meant by style.


I fully understand what you mean and I haven't yet seen a pro mastering so many styles. But there are fans out there that expect different play styles that are not available to a terran player, at least not in their immediate first order. In second order of course there are a number of common categories (early all-in aggression, timing pushes, map splitting, defensive play, etc.). Some people enjoy the first order differences; there is nothing Flash can do to make them appreciate his play.
kawatan
Profile Joined January 2010
288 Posts
September 14 2010 08:00 GMT
#92
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:02 figq wrote:
Bonjwas aren't invincible. And even for the most invincible there's always power shutdown and chicken-pox. Flash has done a great job in BW vs great players, so he is great too. I don't appreciate his style much, I wish he could pull off convincing wins with many more different styles, but he won them all.


Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


fast nuke.
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
September 14 2010 08:05 GMT
#93
On September 14 2010 17:00 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On September 14 2010 16:02 figq wrote:
Bonjwas aren't invincible. And even for the most invincible there's always power shutdown and chicken-pox. Flash has done a great job in BW vs great players, so he is great too. I don't appreciate his style much, I wish he could pull off convincing wins with many more different styles, but he won them all.


Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


fast nuke.


At least he tried:
lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
September 14 2010 08:08 GMT
#94
i guess only stork can beat him, and the pc probleems he has when he plays important games
Nukid
Profile Joined April 2010
United States240 Posts
September 14 2010 08:10 GMT
#95
are you sure you're a Flash's fan? from what I've read from you, it seems you're Jaedong's fan--trying to point out Flash's weakness and trying to get people attention. I'm a Flash fan, not because of his recent performance, but ever since I watched his game against Bisu on Monty Hall. I've watched his 14cc failure to his recent successes; it was a great year to be a Flash's fan. Even though Flash is dominating right now, he's not invincible--no one is. The beauty about starcraft is that anyone can snipe anyone, however, when talking about Flash, he is the heavy favorite to win any given match-ups, even if his opponent is Jaedong.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
September 14 2010 08:28 GMT
#96
On September 14 2010 17:00 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On September 14 2010 16:02 figq wrote:
Bonjwas aren't invincible. And even for the most invincible there's always power shutdown and chicken-pox. Flash has done a great job in BW vs great players, so he is great too. I don't appreciate his style much, I wish he could pull off convincing wins with many more different styles, but he won them all.


Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


fast nuke.


FBH solidarity zone.

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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 14 2010 08:29 GMT
#97
On September 14 2010 17:00 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2010 16:19 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On September 14 2010 16:02 figq wrote:
Bonjwas aren't invincible. And even for the most invincible there's always power shutdown and chicken-pox. Flash has done a great job in BW vs great players, so he is great too. I don't appreciate his style much, I wish he could pull off convincing wins with many more different styles, but he won them all.


Name one style that Flash hasn't won with, nay, dominated with.


fast nuke.


Rofl that's not a playstyle, that's a build!
Remember Violet.
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-14 08:34:43
September 14 2010 08:31 GMT
#98
LOL, Flash invincibility relies in his superb undestanding of every matchup, (TvZ.TvP,TvT), he understand them so well he can predict his enemies, and this is achieved by tons of hours of practice.

Flash can still be fooled, just remember his game against Snow at PL, where he did fake timing attack into double expand.

I for one, blame JDs "average" understading of ZvT by his lack of "quality" terran friends, he should get closer with fantasy and light, although i guess it will never happen with fantasy cause he cheesed him at PL final last year.

infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
September 14 2010 08:48 GMT
#99
People complaining that Jaedong didn't make good enough builds or talking about mindgames, you realize he plays Zerg right? There's really a limited amount of options. People beforehand complained he wasn't aggressive enough, he does the bold move of 4pooling twice (don't think thats ever been done before) and people still complain. The 4pools went 1:1 and basically nullified the practice done on those maps for Flash so it was infact a pretty good move. Terran then has a lot more options after the early game in terms of various timing attacks while Zerg does not other than some extremely fragile all-in moves.
Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
September 14 2010 08:52 GMT
#100
I love how he went from losing every game due to 14 CC, to winning most with 1 rax FE, then winning a shitload with 14 CC.
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