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Cheeseburgered
United States716 Posts
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Altair
243 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:00 swanized wrote: nonsense Grrr would struggle in D+ possibly, you know why Grrr fell? Grrr thought using hotkeys was a waste of time and hotkeys were not necessary for good plays once Koreans got mechanically correct Grrr fell If Grrr came to ICCUP with today's build orders and his skills of 2000 he would struggle in D Is this your ICCUP account? http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/swanized.html I will restrain form further comments, i do not want to get banned. LOL | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:00 swanized wrote: nonsense Grrr would struggle in D+ possibly, you know why Grrr fell? Grrr thought using hotkeys was a waste of time and hotkeys were not necessary for good plays once Koreans got mechanically correct Grrr fell If Grrr came to ICCUP with today's build orders and his skills of 2000 he would struggle in D This is a really ignorant post. There are a whole slew of people that are inherently talented at BW, Nony, Grrr, Midian, Testie, ret, Nazgul, etc, that when they come back to BW they reach an extremely high level after a handful of games. Obviously if giyom used 2000 build orders he would lose, but he wouldn't. His natural skill at this game would come through very quickly and he would dominate everyone but the top in-practice players. If you want a practical example, you could witness Nazgul who came back from years of inactivity to go 1-2 PvT vs inDove, an SKT1 B teamer in a mere two weeks in the sandlot tournament. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:03 Boonbag wrote: What a load of bs. Fyi; Grrrr... almost never ever practiced for any game. He'd rather play Tetris actually... He actually started to lose because he didn't care about Sc anymore and playing 10 hours a day wasn't his thing. Had he practiced 10 hours a day and joined Ideal space back then, he would have dominated Korea for a good extra year. Also, all these players like Reach, Kingdom, Boxer etc... He was beating them up pretty bad online, while having half the apm they had. well sure maybe had Grrr practiced and all he would be really strong but the question was if Grrr palyed with his skills of 2000, not had he practiced 10 hours a day, learned modern build orders etc, I don't want to take anything from Grrr he was a superb player but if he came back today he would get crushed easily, had he practiced in ideal space etc,etc,etc then I don't know, you can't compare Eras | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:01 swanized wrote: well sure maybe had Grrr practiced and all he would be really strong but the question was if Grrr palyed with his skills of 2000, not had he practiced 10 hours a day, learned modern build orders etc, I don't want to take anything from Grrr he was a superb player but if he came back today he would get crushed easily, had he practiced in ideal space etc,etc,etc then I don't know, you can't compare Eras Then what is the point of your post. That if someone doesn't play they are worse than current players? That is pretty fucking obvious to me. Please argue less foolish points. | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
Grrrr always treated SC as a hobby, nothing more. He wasn't even a 'nerd' in school really, unlike many other top players. If it were possible for him to make more money treating it like a job than anything else he could do, there's little doubt that he'd be at the top of SC imo. | ||
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stylesj
Canada4 Posts
On August 08 2010 15:15 Day[9] wrote: Grrrr... was an absolutely brilliant gamer all around. I don't think that ANY comparison to "current skill trends" can possibly do him justice. I was around and watched him play in the early 2000~2001 era times, and the strategies he pioneered with all three races became the standards for ages. It's one thing to be able to download a reppack, and then climb your way up to A on iCCUP by mimicking what other players do. It's another to figure a game out long before anyone else and push the proscene in the process. Totally admirable player. Watching Grrrr...'s comeback vs [B&G]TheBoy was one of my favorite memories  .any clue were i could watch the above mentioned match?? ty for your insite day9 | ||
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oHInsane
France727 Posts
And assuming he would be c-/d+/d on iccup today is so silly. It's like saying he's on my level of play.... and i can guarantee you he can demolish me anytime he wants. As mani said, with not so much training , this player could beat many "known" foreigner players. That's what true game genius are made of. On a side not, I suggest anyone who wants to know more about this era to read BoonBag's blog : http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/blogitems.php?site=pgt&page=14 Have fun. | ||
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Hautamaki
Canada1311 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:25 Altair wrote: Is this your ICCUP account? http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/swanized.html I will restrain form further comments, i do not want to get banned. LOL haha, oh wow, CPU rank anyway grr would most likely not struggle at D+ rank even if he played mouse only | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
artosis had been playing sc2 beta hardcore for weeks on end, grrr had only a few games under his belt grrr had a party at his house w/ tasteless and artosis and some peeps grrr played a game of sc2 vs artosis and easily raped him artosis not knowing grrr so well, instead of nerd raging (cuz he too scared to do it in that kinda situation especially cuz it's IRL) just quietly left the party w/out saying anything | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
On August 08 2010 21:13 Rekrul wrote: btw, funny story artosis had been playing sc2 beta hardcore for weeks on end, grrr had only a few games under his belt grrr had a party at his house w/ tasteless and artosis and some peeps grrr played a game of sc2 vs artosis and easily raped him artosis not knowing grrr so well, instead of nerd raging (cuz he too scared to do it in that kinda situation especially cuz it's IRL) just quietly left the party w/out saying anything Whaa?? Thats awesome. I would kill to see those games lol | ||
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lungo
Denmark276 Posts
is he still playing poker? atleast i know that Elky is doing very well in poker | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:01 swanized wrote: well sure maybe had Grrr practiced and all he would be really strong but the question was if Grrr palyed with his skills of 2000, not had he practiced 10 hours a day, learned modern build orders etc, I don't want to take anything from Grrr he was a superb player but if he came back today he would get crushed easily, had he practiced in ideal space etc,etc,etc then I don't know, you can't compare Eras That's like saying if Pele was playing today he'd get crushed. NO SHIT. Back then everyone was copying the top players' builds and strategies and Grrr was a top player around 2000-2001 without a doubt. If Grrr came back today and played SC he wouldn't stand a chance against the top players, but give credit where its due: this guy pioneered some of the basic strategies that Protoss players have built on today. Also I doubt he'd be D+, because I remember watching replays of him and his APM was in the 220's, if you put that together with his talent for the game he would be much higher. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On August 08 2010 21:13 Rekrul wrote: btw, funny story artosis had been playing sc2 beta hardcore for weeks on end, grrr had only a few games under his belt grrr had a party at his house w/ tasteless and artosis and some peeps grrr played a game of sc2 vs artosis and easily raped him artosis not knowing grrr so well, instead of nerd raging (cuz he too scared to do it in that kinda situation especially cuz it's IRL) just quietly left the party w/out saying anything Hahaha, cool story(no seriously) would love to se grrr play Sc2, if anything just a showmatch | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
This is a Korean article written by an admirer of Giyom's Starcraft talents, it's way too long for me to translate, but it's an interesting read for anyone interested in the matter. The overall message of the article would be: 1) Giyom ruled supreme on battlenet. 2) Giyom won a lot of tournaments. 3) Giyom came to Korea when other countries stopped hosting big tournaments. 4) Giyom toyed with Korean gamers while doing stuff he was more interested in. 5) Korean gamers got better. 6) Giyom moved on, but says he would have practiced harder if he had any idea of how huge the scene would become. I found these quotes by GGMAN (a retired gamer) fitting for how far ahead of the curve Giyom was back then. "At least this much is true; Giyom truly was an amazing player. He was more exceptional than any other gamer from any era. Nowadays there's not much difference in skill level between the best and the second best player in the scene, but back in those days, there was nobody who could defeat Giyom more than two or three times out of ten games. I myself used to think that I was better than everybody else, but even I learned most the skills I knew from him. Back then, Korean gamers didn't even know basic skills like glitching workers by clicking on minerals." "The games that Giyom played in Korea were mostly unprepared for. He was enjoying his stay in Korea too much, and hardly practiced at all for two years. It was a year or so before Korean gamers managed to catch up to his skill level." | ||
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Nightfall
Switzerland18 Posts
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
Grrr was obviously a genius in terms of figuring out a game on his own (that is propably why he performed so good in SC2) and deserves credit for that, but today's Starcraft (except for maybe the very top tier players) resolves around making a lot of shit on time while following the very standard BO. That is the reason korean amateurs and B-teamers still destroy any foreigner even if their strategical thinking is lacking and their decision making is just beyond shitty (hello BackHo). It doesn't matter who you would take from early SC years and let him play vs todays Iccup scrubs, they would all get raped because they played a different game back then. | ||
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R4ptur3d
Canada206 Posts
On August 07 2010 21:42 zerglingsfolife wrote: They interview Grrr at about 15:25. Documentary by National Geographic you can see tasteless at 35:54 =D | ||
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