EPThere are some contemporary vids of grrrr on Live Battle (like TL Attack or Bnet Attack, I think). He is still a decent player!
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
here are some contemporary vids of grrrr on Live Battle (like TL Attack or Bnet Attack, I think). He is still a decent player! | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On August 08 2010 03:17 Antisocialmunky wrote: What is he doing now-a-days? He was cameraed in the audience at the Movie vs Flash OSL I think. His Liquidpedia quote made me giggle. "My favorite match up is Protoss vs Zerg. I don't mean that I win PvZ all the time, but I mean that I like to play it. What I like to do against a 3 hatch hydra user is a simple zealot rush with fast gas, then stop making zealots after 5, tech quickly to Templars and possibly expand even before my templar archives is done. Then I get psi storm/archons and zealot speed. I really like to get fast templar and fast expansion, and it's the best way. It works best at 12:00 on lost temple." :-D You realize spawning pools cost 150 minerals back then? And zealots were 80/80. People who say that he would be D on iccup are giving themselves way too much credit. Believing that general players themselves are that much better, as opposed to the strategies (which someone like Grrr... could probably learn pretty quickly), suggests nonsense like they would have a chance to be the best in the world back then. It would be better to compare Grrrr... to Mondragon - not the best anymore, but with enough skills and understanding of the game to adapt to new strategies. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 08 2010 03:17 Antisocialmunky wrote: What is he doing now-a-days? He was cameraed in the audience at the Movie vs Flash OSL I think. His Liquidpedia quote made me giggle. "My favorite match up is Protoss vs Zerg. I don't mean that I win PvZ all the time, but I mean that I like to play it. What I like to do against a 3 hatch hydra user is a simple zealot rush with fast gas, then stop making zealots after 5, tech quickly to Templars and possibly expand even before my templar archives is done. Then I get psi storm/archons and zealot speed. I really like to get fast templar and fast expansion, and it's the best way. It works best at 12:00 on lost temple." :-D That was a standard pvz opening for years. :/ | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 08 2010 09:37 igotmyown wrote: You realize spawning pools cost 150 minerals back then? And zealots were 80/80. People who say that he would be D on iccup are giving themselves way too much credit. Believing that general players themselves are that much better, as opposed to the strategies (which someone like Grrr... could probably learn pretty quickly), suggests nonsense like they would have a chance to be the best in the world back then. It would be better to compare Grrrr... to Mondragon - not the best anymore, but with enough skills and understanding of the game to adapt to new strategies. People today would be destroyed by the 2000~ forms of every pro with just them microing alone(boxer marines vs the average C- player) lol? They would still shit on most of the yellow/red ranks today even if they were playing like it was back then | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Would looove a translation at some point.  Only thing I got was: "[annyonghasayo, giyom imnida]" (hi, I'm giyom), and I'm just not satisfied. :D | ||
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Housemd
United States1407 Posts
On August 07 2010 21:05 SilverSkyLark wrote: look for his PvZ against..........can't recall, it's a twilight map, I'll look, it's pretty popular. He was also the first OSL winner and therefore, by default, the first Royal Roader. wasnt he the second osl winner. From Liquipedia: 2000 Hanaro Tongshin OSL Champion (2nd OSL in Pro Gaming History) Im not sure if the Progamer Korean Open counts as an OSL though. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 08 2010 11:09 Housemd wrote: wasnt he the second osl winner. From Liquipedia: 2000 Hanaro Tongshin OSL Champion (2nd OSL in Pro Gaming History) Im not sure if the Progamer Korean Open counts as an OSL though. it doesnt, which is why he's considered the first | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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Tossim111
United States246 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:00 swanized wrote: nonsense Grrr would struggle in D+ possibly, you know why Grrr fell? Grrr thought using hotkeys was a waste of time and hotkeys were not necessary for good plays once Koreans got mechanically correct Grrr fell If Grrr came to ICCUP with today's build orders and his skills of 2000 he would struggle in D i think you're giving d+ to c+ players wayyyy too much credit, we've already seen past top foreigners do very well in TSL2 without playing much or not any at all the passed 4+ years such as Leg and Naz, both getting b+/b with a 65% ratio. Simply stated, D+ - C+ players are very bad, Grrr... was on a whole nother level from players in his time which is why he was so ahead of everyone else, i'm not saying he would dominate the scene, but the majority of players are around those ranks (d-c+) and to say he would struggle in those ranks..... come on lol | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
 He would by no means be relegated to D+. Also he has an account here--perhaps he will make a post | ||
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
is the Dreamcite cafe still going? I bet that place is megahuge now. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
Totally admirable player. Watching Grrrr...'s comeback vs [B&G]TheBoy was one of my favorite memories  . | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:00 swanized wrote: nonsense Grrr would struggle in D+ possibly, you know why Grrr fell? Grrr thought using hotkeys was a waste of time and hotkeys were not necessary for good plays once Koreans got mechanically correct Grrr fell If Grrr came to ICCUP with today's build orders and his skills of 2000 he would struggle in D What a load of bs. Fyi; Grrrr... almost never ever practiced for any game. He'd rather play Tetris actually... He actually started to lose because he didn't care about Sc anymore and playing 10 hours a day wasn't his thing. Had he practiced 10 hours a day and joined Ideal space back then, he would have dominated Korea for a good extra year. Also, all these players like Reach, Kingdom, Boxer etc... He was beating them up pretty bad online, while having half the apm they had. | ||
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
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ShinyGerbil
Canada519 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 08 2010 17:39 ShinyGerbil wrote: People are right about not being able to gauge grrrr's skill compared to current iCCup stats. At his peak in 1999 using his 1999 build orders, i think he'd peak around C-/C. However, if he literally went on now and practiced for 2-3 months, relearning the game, there's no doubt he could reach at least B. It's like learning to ride the bicycle, your skills just don't disappear. Don't you remember when Legionnaire got to like B+ in the TSL ladder while having horrible macro(like 5000 min 3000 gas at 25 minutes), but beating everyone with superior gamesense and micro? Giyom could do the exact same thing, just better. EDIT: And his old openings would still would, better than ever. New players couldn't adapt properly, and I'm sure that he'd be able to 2-gate his way to at least B quite effortlessly in PvZ. | ||
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