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It will be very helpfull to 'read' behind the lines and in WHAT to focus see again the Snow vs Mutch game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/41785_Much_vs_Snow/vod
After Snow fake the attact in 13:00 o clock exapansion Much Moved all his forces there couse he need that place badly the "lost in 2 many click" effect 'force' him to that (objective) After Snow lunches the real attact he also 'left' 2 HTs in a spot to 'wait' for Much forces to return with some goons in another place (the POINT is when) with all of your forces "out played" runing back to your base you need to pass from a Psy Storm doing the damage 224 for 4 secs (enough time to kill all the runing forces) no units have the hitpoints to survive that so the POINT also is were and why there. Much is smiles couse he lost with a very beautifull way.
Drama 'queen' means ok Snow lost 1 nexus but did he lost his forces ? No and that was the Objective if the attacer didn't pre calculate the possibility of the drama Lost the game. Then Snow is moving his forces out and the drama 'queen' may have the minerals and the buildings BUT has no TIME to build them, Snow manages to wipe out some of zergs forces (small army) just produced in his way and finishes the game with 1 attact. Point is how many knew that Snow won the game after he lost his main nexus ? Only me and Snow?
1 timed attact = The game is lost.
Easy vitory for Snow he could have did it and with "look mom no hands" in the keybord (Flash timed attact to jaedong 3rd game)
Basicly Snow does not need more than 2 cc to finish a game and now he knows that. Do you really think you can play him ? not anymore. I bet He thinks many more diffrent ways to 'out play' forces in a rong direction like goliaths for example, etc if it is needed to a place 2 HTs are waiting and leave the 'door' open for some zelots to the goliathless siege for example, 1 Arbiter in another place can recall the hunted carriers in another, goliath free, real target and NOT to be used as suicide move with 0 resolts just to make the funs to go WOW. Point is NO MORE boring games.
Ps: i spend some time in the other protoss players BUT it was boring and i lost my TIME cya in the next Snow game, ohh i forgot do you really think that Snow has a problem with 'bad' evestments ? not anymore =;-) You really must learn in What to Focus and spear me the details please don't make me to write a book of Snow gameplay ok ? See the vods again. I will not spead more time in this one pal ok ? Find the TIME to read all my posts.
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On June 06 2010 07:14 ProoM wrote:
in standard situations, 200/200 T>P>Z, it always been and will be like that. Just use your base advantage, trade armies and outmacro him. It's that easy ;]!
The PvZ death ball is a gas-heavy 200/200 army. A gas-light 200/200 Protoss army isn't very strong, particularly once defilers hit the field.
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On June 06 2010 08:29 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 07:14 ProoM wrote:
in standard situations, 200/200 T>P>Z, it always been and will be like that. Just use your base advantage, trade armies and outmacro him. It's that easy ;]! The PvZ death ball is a gas-heavy 200/200 army. A gas-light 200/200 Protoss army isn't very strong, particularly once defilers hit the field.
I believe he is referring to an ideal late game unit composition. At which point, I agree with that statement, but it depends a lot on unit control.
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Effort didnt need Siege tanks..
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I think the only one that would actually do something like this is FBH... but he's not a Toss so yeah lol
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why it would have to be drop? why cant it mced while attacking terran expo?
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On June 06 2010 08:15 Gtks wrote:It will be very helpfull to 'read' behind the lines and in WHAT to focus see again the Snow vs Mutch game: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/41785_Much_vs_Snow/vodAfter Snow fake the attact in 13:00 o clock exapansion Much Moved all his forces there couse he need that place badly the "lost in 2 many click" effect 'force' him to that (objective) After Snow lunches the real attact he also 'left' 2 HTs in a spot to 'wait' for Much forces to return with some goons in another place (the POINT is when) with all of your forces "out played" runing back to your base you need to pass from a Psy Storm doing the damage 224 for 4 secs (enough time to kill all the runing forces) no units have the hitpoints to survive that so the POINT also is were and why there. Much is smiles couse he lost with a very beautifull way. Drama 'queen' means ok Snow lost 1 nexus but did he lost his forces ? No and that was the Objective if the attacer didn't pre calculate the possibility of the drama Lost the game. Then Snow is moving his forces out and the drama 'queen' may have the minerals and the buildings BUT has no TIME to build them, Snow manages to wipe out some of zergs forces (small army) just produced in his way and finishes the game with 1 attact. 1 timed attact = The game is lost. Easy vitory for Snow he could have did it and with "look mom no hands" in the keybord (Flash timed attact to jaedong 3rd game) Basicly Snow does not need more than 2 cc to finish a game and now he knows that. Do you really think you can play him ? not anymore. I bet He thinks many more diffrent ways to 'out play' forces in a rong direction like goliaths for example, etc if it is needed to a place 2 HTs are waiting and leave the 'door' open for some zelots to the goliathless siege for example. Point is NO MORE boring games. Ps: i spend some time in the other protoss players BUT it was boring and i lost my TIME cya in the next Snow game, ohh i forgot do you really think that Snow has a problem with 'bad' evestments ? not anymore =;-) You really must learn in What to Focus and spear me the details please don't make me to write a book of Snow gameplay ok ? See the vods again.
I've never been more confused in my life. I want what you are on.
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First off, I have absolutely no idea what pvt and pvz have to do with "how to beat flash." Second of all, I'm utterly confused by this "drama queen" talk. I'll just have to assume I missed some drama involving Kwanro... Thirdly, talking in third person is baller.
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No offense, but that is way too hard to read. I'll just concede that you have made good and relevant points.
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No offense, but i can't make it more clear if you are not ready to understand then you may never will so whats the point to talk about it ? will help anyone?
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On June 06 2010 10:05 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 08:15 Gtks wrote:It will be very helpfull to 'read' behind the lines and in WHAT to focus see again the Snow vs Mutch game: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/41785_Much_vs_Snow/vodAfter Snow fake the attact in 13:00 o clock exapansion Much Moved all his forces there couse he need that place badly the "lost in 2 many click" effect 'force' him to that (objective) After Snow lunches the real attact he also 'left' 2 HTs in a spot to 'wait' for Much forces to return with some goons in another place (the POINT is when) with all of your forces "out played" runing back to your base you need to pass from a Psy Storm doing the damage 224 for 4 secs (enough time to kill all the runing forces) no units have the hitpoints to survive that so the POINT also is were and why there. Much is smiles couse he lost with a very beautifull way. Drama 'queen' means ok Snow lost 1 nexus but did he lost his forces ? No and that was the Objective if the attacer didn't pre calculate the possibility of the drama Lost the game. Then Snow is moving his forces out and the drama 'queen' may have the minerals and the buildings BUT has no TIME to build them, Snow manages to wipe out some of zergs forces (small army) just produced in his way and finishes the game with 1 attact. 1 timed attact = The game is lost. Easy vitory for Snow he could have did it and with "look mom no hands" in the keybord (Flash timed attact to jaedong 3rd game) Basicly Snow does not need more than 2 cc to finish a game and now he knows that. Do you really think you can play him ? not anymore. I bet He thinks many more diffrent ways to 'out play' forces in a rong direction like goliaths for example, etc if it is needed to a place 2 HTs are waiting and leave the 'door' open for some zelots to the goliathless siege for example. Point is NO MORE boring games. Ps: i spend some time in the other protoss players BUT it was boring and i lost my TIME cya in the next Snow game, ohh i forgot do you really think that Snow has a problem with 'bad' evestments ? not anymore =;-) You really must learn in What to Focus and spear me the details please don't make me to write a book of Snow gameplay ok ? See the vods again. I've never been more confused in my life. I want what you are on.
I shared your feeling. Probably because of the spelling..
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Do find the time and write with better spelling why do you think Snow won the game but please don't speack about how many probs used in gass ok? its really not worth the TIME.
its 1 vod i want you to see it and tell me WHY kwanro didn't had tha forces to counter Snows attact.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTc4MDI1NzMy.html
i mean his main nexus was broken anyone in the room was cheering WOW and yeah for kwanros GREAT move exept Snow and ME, we knew that kwanro LOST the game with this move. If you can't understand i can't do nothing to help you, i mean really.
in my first POST
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124995¤tpage=11
i clame protoss can stop zergs hydra attacts with NO upgrades and win the game with 1 single attact so please find the TIME and read it once AGAIN in order to do something really constructive here couse sharing our feelings will really help NOBADY in this theat and thats the POINT
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Gtks, I'm not trying to be an asshole for you . But your statement in your thread is just too random. At one time you talk about Much vs Snow PvP match. Then suddenly you switch to that so called Drama queen PvZ. Furthermore you state 2 cc which is Terran building, not a protoss building which is Snow's race. And to make things worst, there are many spelling typos in your thread which makes me confused as hell.
And this thread is about how the Protoss progamer can stop Flash's TvP late game army which is very powerful. Since current trend for Protoss in PvT is tech arbiter or using carrier for Protoss late game army in PvT.
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I'm with you not your enemy you play protoss i play TERRAN please see the VOD and tell me WHY Snow won the game do i ask mutch ? forget the other vod see the kwanro vod and i don;t like to be like an asshole to you but you may need to read it AGAIN:
in my first POST
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124995¤tpage=11
i clame protoss can stop zergs hydra attacts with NO upgrades and win the game with 1 single attact so please find the TIME and read it once AGAIN in order to do something really constructive here couse sharing our feelings will really help NOBADY in this theat and thats the POINT
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You can create another post to ask this question. especially in Strategy section. I'm sure you can find your answer in no time. Instead trying post this thing in irrelevant thread like here. No body will care about your question which is nothing to do how to beat flash in here.
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well i think Gtks is trying to make a point through the snow kwanro vod or something where snow / kwanro does something that is similar to what snow did vs flash or waht snow COULD/SHOULd've done vs flash instead of whatever he did there.
and not really trying to ask a question
tahst what i think i didn't read his 2 super long posts haha
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you will never have a chanse with FLASH if you never learn to play the way i wrote about trust me on this.
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also i think that whenever he types 'attracts' he actually means 'attacks'
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