EPTSaviOr's Unwelcomed Return - Page 6
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:46 TYJ.Aoy wrote: Didn't he serve his time?He should be allowed to do whatever he wants as long as it's not illegal, I think its actually a huge disservice to starcraft itself that savior won't be able to play professionally again, it's not like he raped or murdered someone in cold blood, he was punished and deserves his second chance as any normal people in the world do. It's not even him playing professionally again that they're complaining about, yet people still are so upset. Although, I disagree that it would be bad for him not to be allowed to play again, it would make other progamers more likely to throw games if they will be allowed back at a later time. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
I have absolutely no qualms with this; as long as he is not participating at kespa events, then they have done their job keeping him out. | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice." I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues? | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote: I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him. The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice." I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. | ||
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ore0z
Romania161 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote: He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion. | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote: I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him. The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice." I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues? I think he should but I haven't been provided with the powers to judge anyone and I believe that a lawless society is a doomed society so since him being unable to ever play professionaly again is part of the punishment I think no one except the court itself can make it otherwise, but from a moral standpoint I feel like he should be at least given another chance. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote: I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him. The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice." I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues? Just let it go. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
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DocNemesis
Philippines446 Posts
On June 16 2011 12:34 Krohm wrote: I think Savior should be allowed back in esports actually. Who cares if he streams? He paid his dues. I personally would love to see him play again professionally. He was an amazing player. People need to learn to let things go and move on. As well as a bunch other points people have been trying to hammer across in this blog. I may not have followed much of the SC Esports scene til recently, though I have heard some good things and bad things regarding Savior. Though I am surprised as to how well he can play Zerg. Still the deeds he did were unacceptable. He may be forgiven by the Esports community, but no one will ever forget about his actions. | ||
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Chef
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Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues? No. This is about Savior streaming, it has nothing to do with KeSPA. Savior will never play in Proleague, MSL, or OSL every again and no one (almost no one -.-) is debating that right now. It makes sense for those leagues to put their foot down, because it's sort of a deterrence thing (regardless of how effective that really is). However, what's being argued here is whether or not Savior is ever allowed to show his face again, especially in the context of StarCraft:BroodWar. Most people here think that's ridiculous, especially because most people here want to see his stream. We've all done dumb, shameful things in our lives, most of us just aren't celebrities. If people keep treating Savior like a criminal, he can never be anything but a criminal. People have to be given a chance, even if they can never be allowed to do what they used to again. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote: I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion. Yes there's an option to disable donations, but there's no reason for him to use it. He is savior if people want to donate to him that's their prerogative. There's nothing wrong with him leaving it on. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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ore0z
Romania161 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:18 d(O.o)a wrote: Yes there's an option to disable donations, but there's no reason for him to use it. He is savior if people want to donate to him that's their prerogative. There's nothing wrong with him leaving it on. I think I should clarify a little bit. I think, if he wanted to just play, then the best option would be to disable it and not reveal his name. If he enabled donations, it would bring up questions on whether or not he's doing this for the money. If he were to reveal his name, it would bring up questions whether or not he wants publicity. The best would be to hide his name and disable donations. It would give people the impression he's simply just playing it. To me, it definitely seems like he's using his name to get some money. I, however, do not entirely care whether or not he does. He's separated enough from the community that his actions I don't think affect us. But I don't think I'd accept him back into the esports scene. At least not for awhile. I think the scene is still a little early. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote: I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion. LOL @ this Sherlock Holmes bullshit. Most be real common among Romani.... oh nvm Sherlock is English. Apparently, haters on this thread hate so much, they ignore fucking logic. Does letting people know who you are and not turning off donation option translate into he's out to make dat monayyyy? Yo, my TL.net tag is O-opS, imma start streaming on Afreeca with donation option on so ya'll know what that means. And honestly, why the hell would anyone turn off donation option anyway? Does getting some change doing what you like to do a crime around here or some shit? Haters on this thread needs to fucking drop it. Dude's not making a living off this money, and there's no reason why he should not let viewers know who you are nor deny them the right to donate should they choose to do so. On June 16 2011 13:29 ore0z wrote: I think I should clarify a little bit. I think, if he wanted to just play, then the best option would be to disable it and not reveal his name. If he enabled donations, it would bring up questions on whether or not he's doing this for the money. If he were to reveal his name, it would bring up questions whether or not he wants publicity. The best would be to hide his name and disable donations. It would give people the impression he's simply just playing it. To me, it definitely seems like he's using his name to get some money. I, however, do not entirely care whether or not he does. He's separated enough from the community that his actions I don't think affect us. But I don't think I'd accept him back into the esports scene. At least not for awhile. I think the scene is still a little early. No. Just no. Questions like that are only brought up by But hey, if he really wants to just play, he could just not stream to make sure people don't know who he is and just play at home rite. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
I personally would not donate to his stream, but I'll happily watch it for free. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On June 16 2011 13:29 ore0z wrote: I think I should clarify a little bit. I think, if he wanted to just play, then the best option would be to disable it and not reveal his name. If he enabled donations, it would bring up questions on whether or not he's doing this for the money. If he were to reveal his name, it would bring up questions whether or not he wants publicity. The best would be to hide his name and disable donations. It would give people the impression he's simply just playing it. To me, it definitely seems like he's using his name to get some money. I, however, do not entirely care whether or not he does. He's separated enough from the community that his actions I don't think affect us. But I don't think I'd accept him back into the esports scene. At least not for awhile. I think the scene is still a little early. There are loads of streams on afreeca, by not revealing that he's Savior there's no point for people to watch him and people wouldn't enjoy as much. But when everybody knows it's Ma Jae Yoon than they will watch and enjoy much more. Not disabling the donations box means nothing, why should he have to turn it off just because he did some stupid things in the PAST which he's ALREADY BEING PUNISHED FOR. He's streaming a game that he loves and that people love to watch him play, they love to watch him play so much so that they are willing to donate to him. There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
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Z3kk
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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