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Edit:
I guess I will explain:
People (including myself) have a real issue with saviOr[gm] streaming because of two things:
1. He's streaming for money (he gets paid when a viewer chooses to donate by giving him "star-balloons". He could've better defended himself if he disabled this function).
2. He streamed during proleague schedule (I read it from TheMarine twitter; correct me if I'm wrong).
Some one put it nicely on the saviOr thread that:
"We cannot take away a person's right to play a game".
He can play quietly or even stream, if he wanted to just play for fun. Nope, he showed his name then confirmed it by his voice. He took it a step too far.
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Hey, TL!
I thought about it and decided that having a preview and asking you to come to my blog (like the post i made for NASL Boxer vs IdrA) is a bitch move. I don't think it's allowed either according to the rules around here.
Instead, I'm just gonna say it at the end of a post, every now and then.
Come Visit my blog! And disable the damned adblock for TeamLiquid first THEN mine! LOL
http://sweatforauir.blogspot.com/
  
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1 star. While it's not uncommon for korean haters to ruin people's lives, I hope all of your efforts will fail.
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Savior's awesome. It's amazing what he does on stream with such low APM.
EDIT: wait, is this your opinion or are you making a funny comic?
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'the power of the lord was too powerful'
1/5
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Unwelcomed? I think it's pretty fucking awesome that he streams.
GOGO SAVIOR! 1/5
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Cool drawings I guess... Not sure what the point was though
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I hope this is a piece of sarcasm mocking all those schmucks that preach ESPORTS every time anything happens.
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0/5, Forgive and Forget. Savior will regret it for the rest of his life. Stop holding celebrities to a higher moral standard.
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I don't see why he shouldn't play for fun if he wants. Sure, he doesn't deserve another chance in the progaming scene, but he can do whatever he wants in his spare time
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really... this just like the one time collusion happens and he makes a really really really bad call. and kespa acts like it wasnt gonna happen ever. i dont mind the bro doing what he wants. what about foreign scene hackers still playing legitimately etc etc
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I think banning him from the Korean BW scene is enough punishment. If he's not bothering anyone, I guess we can just let him be.
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I like your artstyle, but I can't say I have an issue with him streaming as a hobby now, even if he did prove he was a piece of shit with what he did.
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except for the unwelcomed part, i thought it was funny lol
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Savior is a hero and we should Worship him, not judge him. Look at everything he did, the perseverence and belief.. Remember, back then ZvT was even harder than it is now.. and he overcame it and reinvented the matchup the way everyone plays it today. He is the epitome of greatness, nothing can take that away.
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On June 16 2011 09:45 xarthaz wrote:
Savior is a hero and we should Worship him, not judge him. Look at everything he did, the perseverence and belief.. Remember, back then ZvT was even harder than it is now.. and he overcame it and reinvented the matchup the way everyone plays it today. He is the epitome of greatness, nothing can take that away.
I don't think we should worship savior. However, it's ok if he just streams.
Koreans haven't banned him for nothing.
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Ah... well, I guess I will explain just a little bit.
People (including myself) have a real issue with saviOr[gm] streaming because of two things:
1. He's streaming for money (he gets paid when a viewer chooses to donate by giving him "star-balloons". He could've better defended himself if he disabled this function).
2. He streamed during proleague schedule (I read it from TheMarine twitter; correct me if I'm wrong).
Some one put it nicely on the saviOr thread that:
"We cannot take away a person's right to play a game".
He can play quietly or even stream, if he wanted to just play for fun. Nope, he showed his name then confirmed it by his voice. He took it a step too far.
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Bro, its time you look into yourself. What is causing this upset, a lingering bitter attitude toward people trying to achieve things. Think about what you desire from life and what mistakes you have made on the path to getting it. While projecting emotions through hostility keeps sanity, it brings you no closer to the goal you yearn for.
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On June 16 2011 09:52 cive wrote:
Ah... well, I guess I will explain just a little bit.
People (including myself) have a real issue with saviOr[gm] streaming because of two things:
1. He's streaming for money (he gets paid when a viewer chooses to donate by giving him "star-balloons". He could've better defended himself if he disabled this function).
2. He streamed during proleague schedule (I read it from TheMarine twitter; correct me if I'm wrong).
Some one put it nicely on the saviOr thread that:
"We cannot take away a person's right to play a game".
He can play quietly or even stream, if he wanted to just play for fun. Nope, he showed his name then confirmed it by his voice. He took it a step too far.
uhh im pretty sure he can take any step he wants. It sounds like you are trying to decide for him what he can and cannot do, He can show his name, and speak anytime he wishes, and if people want to donate their money out of free will, its their choice, and has nothing to do with savior. IMO its downright retarded to make these statements simply because people donated to him, and he streamed during proleague.
EDIT: Forgot to add, most people here think its the opposite of your title, and welcome his return to gaming.
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Lmao, I took this for something completely different from all of you apparently... I know what it's about but I thought this was actually a pretty amusing recap of Savior's career as a progamer. "Bisu where are You?!" hahaha
Edit: And by that I mean it makes the terrible things he did seem comical and way less important than they actually were ^^
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Lol a sc1 korean progamer streams and you complain
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Strongly disagree with this blog.
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Quite alot of people here are drenched in the dangerous drink called "nostalgia."
Seriously, are we really that desperate for a celebrity?
If Savior had any amount of decency then he should not have made money (turning off the donation feature from his stream) from streaming on afreeca.
5/5, man. Loved the comic.
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I'm sure that he'll do something one day that'll absolve him of his previous crimes. I mean, people make mistakes and I think that he's willing to play for his passion (note that streaming for cash is only via donation) and help the community is a step in the right direction, considering that he brought ESports to its knees last year.
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If he wants to stream and people want to donate to him then by all means let them. He has no obligation to delay his stream to benefit someone else and should continue to stream whenever he wants. If people want to watch sAviOr over proleague then that's their prerogative and in my honest opinion some people take it way too seriously. What's done is done & he's got his sentencing so let him and his fans enjoy what they want to enjoy when they want to enjoy it as long as it's legal, and guess what, it is.
If people didn't watch him he probably wouldn't stream but obviously people are voting with their eyeballs and wallets.
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well, it is his good right to play and stream whenever he wants to. that he is earning money by doing so, however, doesnt really help his cause. imho we dont need him anymore. he was once a great player, but both his skill and his character have deteriorated over time.
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On June 16 2011 10:20 JiPrime wrote:
Quite alot of people here are drenched in the dangerous drink called "nostalgia."
Seriously, are we really that desperate for a celebrity?
If Savior had any amount of decency then he should not have made maney from streaming on afreeca.
5/5, man. Loved the comic.
Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, nor does his fame. He is an amazingly skilled broodwar player, and its a pleasure to watch him stream. Savior didnt demand money from people for streaming, they willingly donated it. You should be mad at them for doing it in the first place, not mad at him for accepting it lol.
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He wasn't banned from playing on Afreeca, he's doing nothing wrong. Sure it might piss you off, but what can you do.
I would love to see sAviOr play again competitively but sadly that will never happen. Differing views!
I don't like your idea of trying to force him away completely - feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D)
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On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D)
Not so in Korean community right now.
We're gearing up...
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On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up...
Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away?
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On June 16 2011 10:28 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:20 JiPrime wrote:
Quite alot of people here are drenched in the dangerous drink called "nostalgia."
Seriously, are we really that desperate for a celebrity?
If Savior had any amount of decency then he should not have made maney from streaming on afreeca.
5/5, man. Loved the comic. Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, nor does his fame. He is an amazingly skilled broodwar player, and its a pleasure to watch him stream. Savior didnt demand money from people for streaming, they willingly donated it. You should be mad at them for doing it in the first place, not mad at him for accepting it lol.
On June 16 2011 10:03 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 09:52 cive wrote:
Ah... well, I guess I will explain just a little bit.
People (including myself) have a real issue with saviOr[gm] streaming because of two things:
1. He's streaming for money (he gets paid when a viewer chooses to donate by giving him "star-balloons". He could've better defended himself if he disabled this function).
2. He streamed during proleague schedule (I read it from TheMarine twitter; correct me if I'm wrong).
Some one put it nicely on the saviOr thread that:
"We cannot take away a person's right to play a game".
He can play quietly or even stream, if he wanted to just play for fun. Nope, he showed his name then confirmed it by his voice. He took it a step too far.
uhh im pretty sure he can take any step he wants. It sounds like you are trying to decide for him what he can and cannot do, He can show his name, and speak anytime he wishes, and if people want to donate their money out of free will, its their choice, and has nothing to do with savior. IMO its downright retarded to make these statements simply because people donated to him, and he streamed during proleague. EDIT: Forgot to add, most people here think its the opposite of your title, and welcome his return to gaming.
This man is exactly correct. Streaming with the option to donate is no issue, I personally wouldn't have watched some random korean zerg because I'd rather watch grobyc or something and enjoy commentary but if it's a pro gamer ex or current than I'll watch simply because it's neat and adds another layer of interest.
You'll notice I didn't mention his name nor his crimes... Why? Because they're irrelevant. If it were any other pro gamer than everybody would love it but they throw a fit because it's ma jae yoon.
If you don't like it; don't support, you don't need to be vocal about it because it's your opinion what he's doing isn't illegal, it doesn't break the rules of his arrest and it doesn't harm anybody. All it does is give us as the fans/viewers something more to watch and enjoy.
Everybody complaining about it needs to get off their high-horse.
I normally love your comics and I liked this one except for the fact that you dislike him streaming.
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People need to learn to let it go.
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On June 16 2011 10:20 JiPrime wrote:
Quite alot of people here are drenched in the dangerous drink called "nostalgia."
Seriously, are we really that desperate for a celebrity?
If Savior had any amount of decency then he should not have made money (turning off the donation feature from his stream) from streaming on afreeca.
5/5, man. Loved the comic.
Explain what you mean by your first line?
How is "nostalgia" promoting us to say "who cares if he streams or not?"
Are you REALLY going to try and argue that Savior wasn't one of the best zerg players of his time?
they are DONATIONS. He isn't making money by forcing people to pay to watch him. THEN it would be a dick move. He screwed up. Big deal - he was dealt his punishment and now it's time for us to move on.
I know someone is going to come in here and say "oh but rapists/murderers/pedos" well this is different, he wasn't doing anything as serious as that. I think anyone who is really that upset by this needs to grow up.
Celebrity has nothing to do with it, either, and even then, celebrities of any sort are still people - and people make mistakes.
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On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away?
I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that.
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It remains that Savior is an absolutely incredible player. I wasn't around when he was huge, but I've watched his play and heard the tales.
I think it is right to forgive, especially someone that incredible. I'm sure he regrets it enough as it is.
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On June 16 2011 10:10 Silentenigma wrote:
Lol a sc1 korean progamer streams and you complain
User was warned for this post
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On June 16 2011 10:39 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
People need to learn to let it go.
Ya, time to move on folks. You've had a year to be butthurt now its time to grow up.
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Savior committed an offense, so he got kicked out of professional bw, and he lost a lot of fans. If there are fans left that still want to watch him play and maybe even donate money, why shouldn't they be able to?
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On June 16 2011 10:43 Chairman Ray wrote:
Savior committed an offense, so he got kicked out of professional bw, and he lost a lot of fans. If there are fans left that still want to watch him play and maybe even donate money, why shouldn't they be able to?
This and what others have said is so true, he has already been punished for his crimes and banned from all korean sc2 and bw tourneys, there's no need to beat the dead horse.
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I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone?
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On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that.
What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well?
Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.<
Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible.
Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out.
I believed him until the very end...
As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast.
On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone?
We all cast the stone because we can.
It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
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Savior deserves a break. sure, he shouldn't be allowed to compete, but taking away his right to play?
that's damn evil in itself.
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On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away?
<3 you
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast.
... Now this is just a stupid comment, he got paid to LOSE games not to win them, and if he wins them than he won them so they're not rigged anyways. Go watch ANY of the tournaments he won and you will realize there is no way the other person was throwing the games. Or are you implying that people like:
Nada
Boxer
Nal_Ra
Reach
iris
and many others would intentionally lose games? If so I don't think you belong in the SC community.
Oh and he didn't 'make' $600; people DONATED $600 it was THEIR DECISION NOT HIS. Why can't you get that in your head?
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone? We all cast the stone because we can. It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
Yep the best ZvT in the world was rigged, the strategy and control which made him God of the Battlefield was rigged.
Get real.
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I strongly disagree but people have been ragging on your comics even before this for no goddamned reason. Your comics are great, I just happen to disagree with what you're saying in this one. I hope you keep making your comics.
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone? We all cast the stone because we can. It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
First of all, he didn't rig his achievements/WINS. He only fixed matches so that he would LOSE.
2nd, don't preach to Savior. Preach to those who gave him the $600.
You may cast your stone, but I won't.
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On June 16 2011 10:49 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone? We all cast the stone because we can. It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business. Yep the best ZvT in the world was rigged, the strategy and control which made him God of the Battlefield was rigged. Get real.
Why even dignify the angry little man with a response?
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone? We all cast the stone because we can. It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
You and every person that is "gearing up" are seriously blinded by the stupidest things ever. Grow up a little , and maybe you can sit back and realize just how silly you look right now.
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On June 16 2011 10:49 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. ... Now this is just a stupid comment, he got paid to LOSE games not to win them, and if he wins them than he won them so they're not rigged anyways. Go watch ANY of the tournaments he won and you will realize there is no way the other person was throwing the games. Or are you implying that people like: Nada
Boxer
Nal_Ra
Reach
irisand many others would intentionally lose games? If so I don't think you belong in the SC community. Oh and he didn't 'make' $600; people DONATED $600 it was THEIR DECISION NOT HIS. Why can't you get that in your head?
I'm just reminding you all of the general sentiments among the people when the incident happened.
Of course I know that those people aren't involved.
They came off clean.
But we all know at least 1 innocent progamer retired because of this incident.
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1/5. Bad comic, bad attitude, bad logic.
A look into the mind of a petty, vindictive little man. Grow up.
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Where's the stream link? :S
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Stop heralding this hate machine. If people want to donate that's their business.
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone? We all cast the stone because we can. It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
Your duty? Lmao, you take yourself too seriously...
On June 16 2011 10:51 koreasilver wrote:
I strongly disagree but people have been ragging on your comics even before this for no goddamned reason. Your comics are great, I just happen to disagree with what you're saying in this one. I hope you keep making your comics.
Agree with this post, enjoyed your previous comics, they're done in a cool way :D This one is a miss for me though :<
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He wrote that post then edited into the OP, which should have been blindingly obvious.
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Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.
We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.
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1/5, this blog makes me sick, cut him a damn break already.
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On June 16 2011 10:53 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:49 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. ... Now this is just a stupid comment, he got paid to LOSE games not to win them, and if he wins them than he won them so they're not rigged anyways. Go watch ANY of the tournaments he won and you will realize there is no way the other person was throwing the games. Or are you implying that people like: Nada
Boxer
Nal_Ra
Reach
irisand many others would intentionally lose games? If so I don't think you belong in the SC community. Oh and he didn't 'make' $600; people DONATED $600 it was THEIR DECISION NOT HIS. Why can't you get that in your head? I'm just reminding you all of the general sentiments among the people when the incident happened. Of course I know that those people aren't involved. They came off clean. But we all know at least 1 innocent progamer retired because of this incident.
And Savior has been punished with jail time and banning from ALL korean tournaments. If you seriously think he needs more punishment than you need to step outside and forget your little vendetta, he has been punished. Let the man enjoy his game, people aren't being forced to donate; it's an option.
On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.
We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.
I almost never get angry at things I read online, but you sir are a sad excuse for a human being, stop being a part of a hive mind and think for yourself. Once again HE HAS ALREADY BEEN PUNISHED. Grow up and move on.
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On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.
We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.
oh wow, look at you!
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On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.
We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.
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On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.
We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.
rofl
okay buddy
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2 cents:
1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge
2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.
-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back.
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On June 16 2011 11:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
2 cents:
1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge
2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.
-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back.
But the thing is he's not making money by charging for his stream or making it donor only, people simply have the option to donate to him if they so choose. You can't possibly fault him for that... Right?
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D) Not so in Korean community right now. We're gearing up... Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away? I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that. What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well? Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.< Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible. Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out. I believed him until the very end... As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast. Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.
Can you really throw the first stone? We all cast the stone because we can. It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
I think it's really pathetic you're trying to prevent OTHER PEOPLE from enjoying what THEY want to enjoy. You don't decide that for other people. If you don't like it don't watch yourself but you have NO RIGHT to attempt to destroy others entertainment. It's not your duty, it's not your right. Please just leave it alone.
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:
What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well?
Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.<
Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible.
Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out.
I believed him until the very end...
As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast.
You do realize that the people who were match rigging didn't do it to win the games?
Basically if I was playing against Flash, the betting websites would pay out 34278953679 times more cash if I won and you bet on me, than the other way around.
So what the match fixers figured out, was that if they had matches like the above, and went through a broker (which is what Savior was) they could bet on their opponent to win, and then they would throw the game. Then because the odds were so ridiculous, they'd get a ton of cash back.
They bet on themselves to lose, not win.
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The man's paid his punishment. Still is. If you don't like the stream, don't watch. If others choose to, that's okay too. You can try and encourage them not to, but they might not be so interested in your opinion when it comes to their forgiveness.
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On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:
We all cast the stone because we can.
It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.
Oh yeah? You and what army?
On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.
We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.
H'okay. You and a ragtag group of keyboard warriors are gonna jump some guy who's gotten money from people donation money of their own free will.
I don't know if this is a Korean thing, but I'm really irritated that I'm from the same country this asshat is from.
Like someone said earlier, no point in beating a dead horse. IT'S FUCKING DEAD. MOVE ON.
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On June 16 2011 11:07 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
2 cents:
1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge
2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.
-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back. But the thing is he's not making money by charging for his stream or making it donor only, people simply have the option to donate to him if they so choose. You can't possibly fault him for that... Right?
Yes, it is people's will to pay the streamer or not.
The problem that most people have is the idea of earning (or getting donations) from something that he have almost destroyed through illegal betting (essentially $$$). They just want him away from the scene: nothing to do with BW, especially making money off from something that he destroyed.
So yes, you can't fault him for just streaming. However, with afreeca's system, streamers can earn money, and most people are assuming that Savior is streaming to make some $$$ through BW (I couldn't verify this because I haven't watched the stream).
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Savior doesn't deserve to return to the progaming scene or taste the glory of being on the televised live stage ever again for what he did
however I'm grateful that he's choosing to stream, because he's such a fuckin SICK player, with some of the smoothest micro/coordination/multitask I've ever seen. He can help partially pay for his sins by helping the next generation of BW players w/ his livestream FPVOD, as well as giving us viewers a true treat to watch. I'll be sorely disappointed in the Korean community if they get him to stop broadcast his play :\
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On June 16 2011 11:20 ArvickHero wrote:
Savior doesn't deserve to return to the progaming scene or taste the glory of being on the televised live stage ever again for what he did
however I'm grateful that he's choosing to stream, because he's such a fuckin SICK player, with some of the smoothest micro/coordination/multitask I've ever seen. He can help partially pay for his sins by helping the next generation of BW players w/ his livestream FPVOD, as well as giving us viewers a true treat to watch. I'll be sorely disappointed in the Korean community if they get him to stop broadcast his play :\
Agreed...his punishment was in regards to his pro days and those are over. To try and force more punishment into his casual play of BW is sadistic. He can do what he wants on his own time including making money off of BW through donations.
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On June 16 2011 11:14 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:07 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 11:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
2 cents:
1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge
2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.
-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back. But the thing is he's not making money by charging for his stream or making it donor only, people simply have the option to donate to him if they so choose. You can't possibly fault him for that... Right? Yes, it is people's will to pay the streamer or not. The problem that most people have is the idea of earning (or getting donations) from something that he have almost destroyed through illegal betting (essentially $$$). They just want him away from the scene: nothing to do with BW, especially making money off from something that he destroyed. So yes, you can't fault him for just streaming. However, with afreeca's system, streamers can earn money, and most people are assuming that Savior is streaming to make some $$$ through BW (I couldn't verify this because I haven't watched the stream).
But how is it their right to stop him from playing BW at all, he already can't play it professionaly but there's no reason he can't play it for fun and stream his games whether he is doing it for money or not he is doing nothing wrong simply by streaming his games and allowing donations.
Even if he were to ask for donations he is still not in the wrong (in my opinion) due to the fact that they're still donations whether he asks for them or not it'll be up to the viewers' themselves to decide whether or not they want to donate. It's not like him saying "donate pls" is going to change the mind of people who weren't going to donate in the first place.
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I like your cute comics, but like most posters here I think you are wrong about this. Savior was banned from a sport he'd dedicated his life to. That's enough. There's nothing wrong with him doing something productive for the community or whatever else. He doesn't have to kill himself just because he made a mistake in is his life. Just let the man live his life... Clearly BW is still close to his heart (and if you say he's only doing this for the money, I think that's a joke. There's other ways to make money).
Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others... As long as they don't keep making the same mistakes, I don't see any reason to keep kicking them in the nuts. That's as nicely as I can put it, but to be honest if your other comics weren't good you'd get so much more flak for this.
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On June 16 2011 11:24 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:20 ArvickHero wrote:
Savior doesn't deserve to return to the progaming scene or taste the glory of being on the televised live stage ever again for what he did
however I'm grateful that he's choosing to stream, because he's such a fuckin SICK player, with some of the smoothest micro/coordination/multitask I've ever seen. He can help partially pay for his sins by helping the next generation of BW players w/ his livestream FPVOD, as well as giving us viewers a true treat to watch. I'll be sorely disappointed in the Korean community if they get him to stop broadcast his play :\ Agreed...his punishment was in regards to his pro days and those are over. To try and force more punishment into his casual play of BW is sadistic. He can do what he wants on his own time including making money off of BW through donations.
Yeah, I'm fine with him making money off of BW too, as long as it's not in the competitive scene, and we all know that can never happen. He's still paying the price for what he did, and that's enough.
I'm glad he hasn't quit playing the game that he showed so much genius in, even though his career in that game ended in life-long shame. If he still has a passion for BW after what he's been through then good for him, and I say this as someone who quit watching BW completely after the match-fixing scandal.
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by the way, can anyone link his stream please? 
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On June 16 2011 11:47 Kfish wrote:by the way, can anyone link his stream please?
if he streams through afreeca, don't you need a korean ID or something to watch? although I know some korean-only streams get re-streamed through justin.tv, etc
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DCinside Starcraft Gallery is no joke
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They're ready to strike
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On June 16 2011 11:49 supernovamaniac wrote:DCinside Starcraft Gallery is no joke They're ready to strike
lololol check out them keyboard warriors!
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look at the guy getting mounted by a CRT monitor
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Sure he doesn't have the right to play the game professionally, but he has every damn right to play it for entertainment and he can stream whenever the fuck he wants to. 0/5
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Does anyone know the link to his stream? I would be really interested to watch.
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Much as I detest Savior for his match fixing, streaming games on afreeca is unrelated to Kespa or professional starcraft so if he chooses to do so that's his right and if people tune in to watch then that's their prerogative.
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Y'know, the ban from progaming is necessary and deserved. We can't let bad things go unpunished.
That said, I would totally watch sAviOr play a showmatch, BW or SC2 or whatever, against somebody, even for money. I just can't find it in me to get too upset about somebody who's paid his price already.
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Savior should play anonymously, if at all. Trying to cash in on his infamy is slimy. He didn't bet on games (Pete Rose), he didn't take performance enhancing drugs (Jose Canseco), he didn't "shave points" (City College of New York basketball players), he recruited younger players to throw broadcasted games for money. The only thing worse than that in professional sports is hiring a thug to cripple your competition the night before the event (Tonya Harding), and in gambling, there is nothing worse than what Savior did. I'm honestly surprised so many people are taking this lightly. It's like y'all don't take ESPORTS seriously, lol.
Anyway....
Savior's part of the reason I fell in love with BW and esports... but his career is over and deserves no revival. Grudging recognition for his contribution to Zerg? sure. But no revival.
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I myself have forgiven SaviOr. It took a while, but there are a lot worse things out in the world to rage and hate someone over starcraft. I could write a really long post about the whole situation from my perspective but I think to keep it short I'll just say for something like this I think forgiveness can be found. He will never be able to touch the proscene again and I think that is punishment enough. Looking forward to watching his stream.
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I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.
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Did he destroy everyone in 2009 yet?
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On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.
I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ
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On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing. I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ
I don't even understand the analogy; murder is completely unrelated to the game whereas hacking, abusing, cheating and match fixing all are.
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I can kinda understand that people who have been fans of Savior for years want to see him and support him, even though he played a huge part in stealing the innocence of e-sports and betraying all it's fans.. well on a second thought I don't really understand it at all 
I think it's kinda ironical that he gets money from the people he betrayed. But well, as long as there are enough people in this world without any principles, anything is possible I guess.
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On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing. I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ
OJ?
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On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing. I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ OJ?
OJ Simpson
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1/5, let the man be. He can never play BW or SC2 as a progamer again in his life. Is it too much to allow him to play the game he had such an influence on?
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On June 16 2011 12:20 d(O.o)a wrote:BW Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing. I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ OJ? OJ Simpson
So you are comparing cheating in a game to murder? and no i was not particularly fond of O.J simpson before or after he killed his wife. i see your point although i don't think it really applies.
Edit: He was pretty funny in naked gun.
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give him a brake...No man should be forced to leave under a rock for an error.
And you & your blog are probably way more unwelcomed than savior.
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On June 16 2011 12:23 Foreplay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:20 d(O.o)a wrote:BW On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing. I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ OJ? OJ Simpson So you are comparing cheating in a game to murder? and no i was not particularly fond of O.J simpson before or after he killed his wife but i see your point although i don't think it really applies.
the similarity is comparing how attached you are to a celebrity, to what lengths you'll still support them. I know it was a stretch, lol :\
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On June 16 2011 12:26 HellKey wrote:
give him a brake...No man should be forced to leave under a rock for an error.
And you & your blog are probably way more unwelcomed than savior.
This is a good point as well, because regardless of what savior did it would get him in the lime light if there is any possible way it could be seen by others, and regardless of what it was there would be netizens who jump in and assault him with their keyboards.
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On June 16 2011 12:27 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:23 Foreplay wrote:On June 16 2011 12:20 d(O.o)a wrote:BW On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.
Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing. I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ OJ? OJ Simpson So you are comparing cheating in a game to murder? and no i was not particularly fond of O.J simpson before or after he killed his wife but i see your point although i don't think it really applies. the similarity is comparing how attached you are to a celebrity, to what lengths you'll still support them. I know it was a stretch, lol :\
I get that but i was more just trying to point out a double standard in the community. Hackers and abusers are given second chances all the time. I do not see why savior should be any different. He is basically an abuser on a larger scale.
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I think Savior should be allowed back in esports actually. Who cares if he streams? He paid his dues. I personally would love to see him play again professionally. He was an amazing player.
People need to learn to let things go and move on. As well as a bunch other points people have been trying to hammer across in this blog.
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Didn't he serve his time?He should be allowed to do whatever he wants as long as it's not illegal, I think its actually a huge disservice to starcraft itself that savior won't be able to play professionally again, it's not like he raped or murdered someone in cold blood, he was punished and deserves his second chance as any normal people in the world do.
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On June 16 2011 12:46 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Didn't he serve his time?He should be allowed to do whatever he wants as long as it's not illegal, I think its actually a huge disservice to starcraft itself that savior won't be able to play professionally again, it's not like he raped or murdered someone in cold blood, he was punished and deserves his second chance as any normal people in the world do.
It's not even him playing professionally again that they're complaining about, yet people still are so upset.
Although, I disagree that it would be bad for him not to be allowed to play again, it would make other progamers more likely to throw games if they will be allowed back at a later time.
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It's not like other people can stream for money.
I have absolutely no qualms with this; as long as he is not participating at kespa events, then they have done their job keeping him out.
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I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either.
Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues?
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On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either.
He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his.
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On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his.
I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca
So I might be biased.
But isn't there an option to disable donations?
Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations?
Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name?
From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations.
Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators.
He's still doing it for the money.
That's my opinion.
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On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either.
Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues?
I think he should but I haven't been provided with the powers to judge anyone and I believe that a lawless society is a doomed society so since him being unable to ever play professionaly again is part of the punishment I think no one except the court itself can make it otherwise, but from a moral standpoint I feel like he should be at least given another chance.
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On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either.
Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues?
Just let it go.
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There is a demand for his service. He isn't hurting anyone. Harassing him about it is just stupid.
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On June 16 2011 12:34 Krohm wrote:
I think Savior should be allowed back in esports actually. Who cares if he streams? He paid his dues. I personally would love to see him play again professionally. He was an amazing player.
People need to learn to let things go and move on. As well as a bunch other points people have been trying to hammer across in this blog.
I may not have followed much of the SC Esports scene til recently, though I have heard some good things and bad things regarding Savior. Though I am surprised as to how well he can play Zerg.
Still the deeds he did were unacceptable. He may be forgiven by the Esports community, but no one will ever forget about his actions.
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Edit: Do people here really think he should be allowed back into KeSPA leagues?
No. This is about Savior streaming, it has nothing to do with KeSPA. Savior will never play in Proleague, MSL, or OSL every again and no one (almost no one -.-) is debating that right now. It makes sense for those leagues to put their foot down, because it's sort of a deterrence thing (regardless of how effective that really is). However, what's being argued here is whether or not Savior is ever allowed to show his face again, especially in the context of StarCraft:BroodWar. Most people here think that's ridiculous, especially because most people here want to see his stream. We've all done dumb, shameful things in our lives, most of us just aren't celebrities. If people keep treating Savior like a criminal, he can never be anything but a criminal. People have to be given a chance, even if they can never be allowed to do what they used to again.
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On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion.
Yes there's an option to disable donations, but there's no reason for him to use it. He is savior if people want to donate to him that's their prerogative. There's nothing wrong with him leaving it on.
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I interpreted the comic as a witty jab at everybody. 5 STARS =]
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On June 16 2011 13:18 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote:On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion. Yes there's an option to disable donations, but there's no reason for him to use it. He is savior if people want to donate to him that's their prerogative. There's nothing wrong with him leaving it on.
I think I should clarify a little bit.
I think, if he wanted to just play, then the best option would be to disable it and not reveal his name. If he enabled donations, it would bring up questions on whether or not he's doing this for the money.
If he were to reveal his name, it would bring up questions whether or not he wants publicity.
The best would be to hide his name and disable donations. It would give people the impression he's simply just playing it.
To me, it definitely seems like he's using his name to get some money.
I, however, do not entirely care whether or not he does. He's separated enough from the community that his actions I don't think affect us. But I don't think I'd accept him back into the esports scene. At least not for awhile. I think the scene is still a little early.
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On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion.
LOL @ this Sherlock Holmes bullshit. Most be real common among Romani.... oh nvm Sherlock is English.
Apparently, haters on this thread hate so much, they ignore fucking logic. Does letting people know who you are and not turning off donation option translate into he's out to make dat monayyyy? Yo, my TL.net tag is O-opS, imma start streaming on Afreeca with donation option on so ya'll know what that means. And honestly, why the hell would anyone turn off donation option anyway? Does getting some change doing what you like to do a crime around here or some shit?
Haters on this thread needs to fucking drop it. Dude's not making a living off this money, and there's no reason why he should not let viewers know who you are nor deny them the right to donate should they choose to do so.
On June 16 2011 13:29 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 13:18 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote:On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion. Yes there's an option to disable donations, but there's no reason for him to use it. He is savior if people want to donate to him that's their prerogative. There's nothing wrong with him leaving it on. I think I should clarify a little bit. I think, if he wanted to just play, then the best option would be to disable it and not reveal his name. If he enabled donations, it would bring up questions on whether or not he's doing this for the money. If he were to reveal his name, it would bring up questions whether or not he wants publicity. The best would be to hide his name and disable donations. It would give people the impression he's simply just playing it. To me, it definitely seems like he's using his name to get some money. I, however, do not entirely care whether or not he does. He's separated enough from the community that his actions I don't think affect us. But I don't think I'd accept him back into the esports scene. At least not for awhile. I think the scene is still a little early.
No. Just no. Questions like that are only brought up by morons people like you, the dude that started this thread, and those haters over in Korea. Dude streams because he wants people to watch him play, if people know who he is more people would come watch.
But hey, if he really wants to just play, he could just not stream to make sure people don't know who he is and just play at home rite.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Savior recruited kids who were on his team to commit crimes for him that they were punished for. Innocent kids who knew nothing but games. He almost destroyed the industry. In the scandal after talk the Korean commentators were essentially making death threats toward him.
I personally would not donate to his stream, but I'll happily watch it for free.
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On June 16 2011 13:29 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 13:18 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 13:08 ore0z wrote:On June 16 2011 13:03 d(O.o)a wrote:On June 16 2011 12:58 Trumpet wrote:
I'm really amazed by the number of MJY supporters in this thread. While I don't agree with the "ban him from all bw forever" group, I couldn't imagine actually supporting him.
The level of mockery and antagonism in this thread is definitely surprising as well. The knee jerk reaction to hearing MJY profiting off of a bw stream is definitely not "Oh, the guy who tried to rig the industry when he could no longer compete can still make a living off of it, how nice."
I certainly don't think that "just let it go" applies here, either. He's not doing it to make a living, he is doing it to stream. Him making money from it is all from people donating to him which is their own decision, not his. I think I'm a little attached to this and maybe ignorant of my understanding of Afreeca So I might be biased. But isn't there an option to disable donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to allow donations? Isn't it MJY's decision to reveal his name? From the many supporters and fans, it does seem like he's using his name to get some donations. Whether or not they're successful is up to the donators. He's still doing it for the money. That's my opinion. Yes there's an option to disable donations, but there's no reason for him to use it. He is savior if people want to donate to him that's their prerogative. There's nothing wrong with him leaving it on. I think I should clarify a little bit. I think, if he wanted to just play, then the best option would be to disable it and not reveal his name. If he enabled donations, it would bring up questions on whether or not he's doing this for the money. If he were to reveal his name, it would bring up questions whether or not he wants publicity. The best would be to hide his name and disable donations. It would give people the impression he's simply just playing it. To me, it definitely seems like he's using his name to get some money. I, however, do not entirely care whether or not he does. He's separated enough from the community that his actions I don't think affect us. But I don't think I'd accept him back into the esports scene. At least not for awhile. I think the scene is still a little early.
There are loads of streams on afreeca, by not revealing that he's Savior there's no point for people to watch him and people wouldn't enjoy as much. But when everybody knows it's Ma Jae Yoon than they will watch and enjoy much more.
Not disabling the donations box means nothing, why should he have to turn it off just because he did some stupid things in the PAST which he's ALREADY BEING PUNISHED FOR.
He's streaming a game that he loves and that people love to watch him play, they love to watch him play so much so that they are willing to donate to him. There's nothing wrong with that.
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I do support Savior in his endeavors. 1/5 and all that.
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He took it a step too far by confirming it was him? Oh boy. Get outside. I try and always give five stars but 1/5 for being so bitchy. Come on man, live and let live.
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I welcome Savior streaming, I think it's awesome. 1/5.
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Sometimes there are blogs that are really little masterpieces, but when I think of the word "blog" in this context, it strikes me as being akin to the sound I make after I've had too many beers.
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Although I don't agree with what he did, I tell myself, "Mind my own business."
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He can stream if he wants.
Also donations = not mandatory. if a fan likes him enough to give him a donation, there is nothing wrong with that.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Is the donation option on by default or not? If it's by default, I don't see why he would go through the trouble to turn it off. He knows he still has fans out there, and he wants to put on a show. That's a win for everyone.
Don't like it, don't watch it, but if you must cause a scene, I won't begrudge you for it. I guess that's your way of blowing off steam.
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If you like MJY or not, Themarine has made a good point:
Savior's appearance has gathered more attention than last night's proleague.
Damn.
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Interestingly, the koreans seem to be the ones less inclined to forgive savior. I think many of them were more emotionally invested in savior and the scene in general than we foreigners are (despite what we may think). Match-fixing definitely did and still does have the potential to cripple the ESPORTS industry; sponsors, fans, and even other players don't want to sopupport a scene that has the potential for such forged results. Does anyone still remember what the OGN commentators thought about savior and the match fixers? And even worse, he got younger players to do it too (also Justin.........), taking their careers down with him.
You can't "just drop it." Savior cannot be completely forgiven for what he did. he should not be trying to make money with that which he corrupted (and to those who said there are other ways to make money, what can savior do well except play starcraft?)
His right to stream, however, shouldn't necessarily be revoked, since he is among the greatest players ever. but it seems kind of low to allow donations, even if they're voluntary... though I doubt he has much to live on anymore...
I know the memories of the scandal have dimmed in everyone's memory, but there are people for which it has not. Fans of the match fixers, fans of SPARKYZ, and those who helped build ESPORTS up with their own hands. respect them too...
(I don't personally oppose savior streaming, even for donations, thaaaaat much--I think he should feel guilty, but if he really needs to get donations, so be it-- but the people bashing the op were really getting to me -_-; )
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Funny how sAviOr fanboys have really made a resurgence since that article by Ver.
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About sAviOr's stream: If sAviOr actually streams on the proleague schedule, people still have the choice to watch either him or the proleague match and imo MBC vs STX was so horrid that I looked for any other BW streamer to watch. If I had access to his broadcast, I'd instantly tune into him. And guess what? Other people have this choice too!
About the star balloon thing: He doesn't need to disable the star balloons. If you don't want to donate him any money, don't. If you don't want him to earn a single penny off BW, that's not something that you can mess up with. He didn't fix afreeca games as well, did he?
So, if you don't want to watch his stream, don't watch. If you have a problem with his broadcasts, either talk to afreeca and try expressing yourself, you can't decide what people want to watch.
On June 16 2011 15:05 supernovamaniac wrote:
Savior's appearance has gathered more attention than last night's proleague.
It's nothing special. Would you watch a HyuN ZvP? Or sAviOr ZvP? Last night's proleague (except JvF of course) sucked balls. I'd just watch sAviOr.
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<3 Savior and hope he can enjoy his life and play BW without being hassled by assholes.
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Funny, was listening to the song Pisschrist by Fear Factory while coming across this blog. "Where is your savior now?" XD
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I personally don't care if he streams or not and people donate or not but I will certainly not forgive him.
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gm shield fou and the likes are filesystems on the hard drive of the Artificial Intelligence created by Blizzard, the UN and the Prog(r)am(m)ers. Similar to the artistic interpretations in Animatrix, Mankind has found a way to create a self-conscious, virtually emulated mind and they have been feeding it information ever since through the language of starcraft. Concepts like greed (taking unnecessary expansions too quickly) or Bravery (Brave winning against samsung khan protoss without having an economic or army advantage just by engaging recklessly and his opponent getting caught with a scattered army) have been translated into this language for the AI to have concrete data, like the keyboard and mouse input of the progamers during the match, to fathom human behavior with. sAviOr was the leading ambassador for Zerg (pure essence), the codename for tier 1 thought emulation, he could teach the Ai to optimize it's own interplay of mutation, variation, selection which lead to the efficient interaction with Protoss (pure form), the codename for the neuro cybernetic hardware. Thus the artificial intelligence was able to successfully develop compatibility with the human brain -> a hybrid operating system came into being -> proxy implantation of the Ai brain was possible and Flash became the first cyborg. For security reasons he has a self-termination device implanted in his wrists, that can be triggered in a fraction of a picosecond by the High Security Council Commodore Kim Taek-Yong and his second in command captain Best.
Yes I'm in crazy mode, thank you very much.
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Savior streams? Awesome! Where do I find such a thing?
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Sigh... this brings in old memories..
I just hope Saviors learnt his lesson thats all
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On June 16 2011 19:55 -orb- wrote:
Savior streams? Awesome! Where do I find such a thing?
he streams on afreeca and it got restreamed through daum. me (and after i'd stopped GTR) streamed him over like 6-7 hours. you can find the vods on our justin.tv or youtube channel (i saved the vods as highlights so they wont get wiped)
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i wish that savior could somehow know that there are still many fans out there who still support him despite all the netizens haters
forgive and forget guys, he made a mistake, he paid for it.
ma jae yoon fighting ~!
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On June 16 2011 15:41 J1.au wrote:
Funny how sAviOr fanboys have really made a resurgence since that article by Ver.
Because every fan that has ever existed was a bandwagon fan, right?
it's not like people love Boxer, Yellow, Nada, and so on because they were phenomenal players, same with Savior. Being a "fanboy" has nothing to do with it, anyways. We could replace Savior with any of the others involved, or you could hate Savior as a player, the fact stands - he has the right to stream and do whatever he wants unrelated to Kespa.
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On June 16 2011 15:41 J1.au wrote:
Funny how sAviOr fanboys have really made a resurgence since that article by Ver.
People have given me shit for the whole past goddamned year because I insisted that Savior can't be ignored in BW history just because of what he did. It doesn't change that he was the father of modern Zerg.
I think Savior can be forgiven, but that doesn't mean that what he did should be forgotten. Even if he is forgiven, he shouldn't be let into playing BW professionally again, and this really shouldn't be questioned.
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I can't see myself forgiving someone who was involved in a scandal that could have ended Korean BW forever. It happened in WC3 with map fixing and it could have happened in BW. I might be overdoing it, but it did have the potential.
That being said, I could care less if he streams or not, he can make a living off of streaming or private coaching and I would not care. It is his time and he can do whatever he wants to, to earn a living and that is his second chance.
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We only can blame his viewers/donators, thats it.
Still, in my opinion, rat should stay in the shadow.
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There's something slightly disturbing about the fascistic glee with which people state that a guy somehow shouldn't be allowed to play a game he owns over a streaming service which allows for donations. Why exactly? Oh because enough people want to watch it that it might distract from the Proleague and he might make some money from the donations? Still not seeing what this has to do with anyone else. KeSPA have punished him to the extent of their capabilities. The Korean court system has punished him to the extent of their capabilities.
What exactly are you expecting to happen? Should we send the SWAT team around to blow up his computer with a grenade launcher? If he wants to play BW good for him. If he wants to stream good for him. If people want to watch him good for them. If people want to donate to him good for them.
Why you'd want to stop other people's enjoyment watching one of the best BW players of all time play BW completely outside the confines of competition is beyond me. Control freak much?
Here's an idea: people who don't want to watch him play don't watch him play and people who don't want to donate to him don't donate to him. Don't interefere with what other people want to do though. Problem solved.
On June 16 2011 18:15 FourFace wrote:
gm shield fou and the likes are filesystems on the hard drive of the Artificial Intelligence created by Blizzard, the UN and the Prog(r)am(m)ers. Similar to the artistic interpretations in Animatrix, Mankind has found a way to create a self-conscious, virtually emulated mind and they have been feeding it information ever since through the language of starcraft. Concepts like greed (taking unnecessary expansions too quickly) or Bravery (Brave winning against samsung khan protoss without having an economic or army advantage just by engaging recklessly and his opponent getting caught with a scattered army) have been translated into this language for the AI to have concrete data, like the keyboard and mouse input of the progamers during the match, to fathom human behavior with. sAviOr was the leading ambassador for Zerg (pure essence), the codename for tier 1 thought emulation, he could teach the Ai to optimize it's own interplay of mutation, variation, selection which lead to the efficient interaction with Protoss (pure form), the codename for the neuro cybernetic hardware. Thus the artificial intelligence was able to successfully develop compatibility with the human brain -> a hybrid operating system came into being -> proxy implantation of the Ai brain was possible and Flash became the first cyborg. For security reasons he has a self-termination device implanted in his wrists, that can be triggered in a fraction of a picosecond by the High Security Council Commodore Kim Taek-Yong and his second in command captain Best.
Yes I'm in crazy mode, thank you very much.
You should write fanfiction, that was legitimately entertaining and coherent.
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Ur blog title, and the comic. It is biased against SavioR..
Maybe u are influenced by the korea talk show or something...
Yes, the comic is well done but, to potray Savior as total evil coming to afreeca as god and ppl running away from him, i feel, it is not fair for SavioR. It feels like a progpaganda blog, u understand me?
Maybe u feel, he is doing it for money.
But that is how u feel, it might not be true. Maybe some fans ask him do it for them, maybe he is trying to connect with his fans?
If turning on the donations meaning doing it for money. Then, most of the afreeca stream is doing it for money. The church I go always ask for my donation....
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i think everybody should calm down
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Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports
Obviously
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On June 17 2011 01:11 bonifaceviii wrote:
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports
Obviously
If you have a problem with him streaming, you can talk to afreeca but I don't think you'll obtain concrete results as he brings attention to afreeca and that's probably what they want.
He maxes out a good number of channels. Which part of this hurts e-sports? Getting more viewers than a random STX vs MBCGame proleague match, rofl. Small SC2 tournaments that are calendared on TL do that as well, do they hurt e-sports too?
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On June 17 2011 04:49 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 01:11 bonifaceviii wrote:
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports
Obviously If you have a problem with him streaming, you can talk to afreeca but I don't think you'll obtain concrete results as he brings attention to afreeca and that's probably what they want. He maxes out a good number of channels. Which part of this hurts e-sports? Getting more viewers than a random STX vs MBCGame proleague match, rofl. Small SC2 tournaments that are calendared on TL do that as well, do they hurt e-sports too?
If you read this thread you will understand .
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Wtf is up with you guys. SaviOr is already banned from everything Pro Starcraft, so shut up and check out this dude's comics.
I like the OP's comics on his blog. Even though I don't necessarily agree with them all but hell I'm glad someone with that sort of art style is willing to do some comics. Keep it up man!
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But he's wrong on the internet, Snuggles! It cannot go unpunished.
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On June 17 2011 04:53 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 04:49 Djagulingu wrote:On June 17 2011 01:11 bonifaceviii wrote:
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports
Obviously If you have a problem with him streaming, you can talk to afreeca but I don't think you'll obtain concrete results as he brings attention to afreeca and that's probably what they want. He maxes out a good number of channels. Which part of this hurts e-sports? Getting more viewers than a random STX vs MBCGame proleague match, rofl. Small SC2 tournaments that are calendared on TL do that as well, do they hurt e-sports too? If you read this thread you will understand .
I have already read the thread but he actually sounded serious to me unlike most other people. I think I'm becoming a romanian.
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Pete rose loved baseball more than anything. He made a few bad decisions and now is not in the hall of fame. Vick made some bad decisions, but in his comeback year he was outstanding.
If savior is sorry, there is no reason he cannot continue to enjoy the game he loves.
If not, I would love if savior came over to sc2 and pwned some faces. That would truly make sc2 more popular.
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I can already tell that some angry Korean netizen is going to do something extreme to him. Considering this is Korea we are talking about, where celebrities have killed themselves because of angry fans/netizens.
Also you can't take away his right to game, and simply put forgive and forget.
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On June 17 2011 05:57 darmousseh wrote:
If not, I would love if savior came over to sc2 and pwned some faces. That would truly make sc2 more popular.
Ehhhhhhhhhhnnnnnn....no.
This is Korea we're talking about here. They forgive about as easily as a brick.
That analogy was shitty.
They don't forgive easily. I think if anything it would tank the SC2 in Korea scene, right into the ground.
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Sorry if this has been said/asked already. But where is his stream and is he playing sc2 at all?
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I think that there is nothing wrong with Savior streaming. Yes, he did do those horrible actions that nearly brought down the esports industry, and I don't think he should go unpunished, but what he does outside of kespa events is up to him. Personally, if I was savior, I wouldn't stream, but I guess he has every right to stream. If you don't support him, don't watch him play, and don't donate.
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On June 16 2011 09:52 cive wrote:
Ah... well, I guess I will explain just a little bit.
People (including myself) have a real issue with saviOr[gm] streaming because of two things:
1. He's streaming for money (he gets paid when a viewer chooses to donate by giving him "star-balloons". He could've better defended himself if he disabled this function).
2. He streamed during proleague schedule (I read it from TheMarine twitter; correct me if I'm wrong).
Some one put it nicely on the saviOr thread that:
"We cannot take away a person's right to play a game".
He can play quietly or even stream, if he wanted to just play for fun. Nope, he showed his name then confirmed it by his voice. He took it a step too far.
Why does it matter if he get's paid for streaming and that he did it during proleague? I don't see why people are out on a witchhunt after savior, the man has gotten punished, he has been banned from progaming. What more do you want?
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What the fuck?
You should be happy the Master of Zerg is streaming again
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On June 20 2011 07:58 arb wrote:
What the fuck?
You should be happy the Master of Zerg is streaming again
this..... any stream, ESPECIALLY a stream of that HIGH-LEVEL should be welcomed with open arms....
He did wrong and served his punishment--there's no reason for that to be extended
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I might have a problem with Pete Rose playing professional baseball. I have no problem with Pete Rose playing baseball with his kids or friends, outside of competition. I have no problem with Pete Rose throwing games against his kids.
Savior can throw all he wants in casual games. It's completely different.
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On June 17 2011 05:57 darmousseh wrote:
Pete rose loved baseball more than anything. He made a few bad decisions and now is not in the hall of fame. Vick made some bad decisions, but in his comeback year he was outstanding.
If savior is sorry, there is no reason he cannot continue to enjoy the game he loves.
If not, I would love if savior came over to sc2 and pwned some faces. That would truly make sc2 more popular.
From what I understand neither of those two actually compromised the legitimacy of games they were involved in (though dog-fighting is kind of terrible).
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To me SaviOr is dead. Ma Jae Yoon can do whatever the fuck he pleases.
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Regardless, it really was a huge pity that he did what he did and I will never view him the same way as before. I always thought he was a great player being so far ahead during his time but to have threatened and nearly toppled the entire e-spots scene just doesn't settle well with me. Maybe non of us had put in enough effort and time into the e-spots scene to truly feel the impact of what he did.
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has a link to his stream been posted?
this blog probably backfired because now i want to watch him
edit: i know it's on afreeca but i can't read korean
edit: also apparently its on justin.tv but i can't find it there after some searching
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lol at few foreigner fans who support Savior streaming sc. How do you think actual progamers feel? Did you guys all miss KT Rolster's coach rage so hard about this topic?
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1/5 a bonjwa streams and people complain :s wtf
this blog is hurting esports!!
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On June 20 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote:
lol at few foreigner fans who support Savior streaming sc. How do you think actual progamers feel? Did you guys all miss KT Rolster's coach rage so hard about this topic?
Did you miss the part after that where he apologized for overreacting and acting without thinking?
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I have mixed feelings about Savior. On one hand, he betrayed a lot of people (foreigners, especially) when they believed in him for so long, even after his slump. Blizzcon 2010 is a sad thing to remember in retrospect. Everyone adored him, teamliquid fans surrounded the CJ team, and everyone trusted him when he said that he would destroy. We saw his fpv there and he obviously wasn't playing his best against Zero, but we attributed it to it being Blizzcon, where Koreans threw matches anyway. Little did we know...
On the other hand, people make mistakes. No one knows what's going on in his head, whether he regrets his actions, whether he wants to make amends. We always forgive people for their mistakes at some point (barring murder and child abuse, maybe), but when do we forgive this mistake?
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On June 20 2011 16:34 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 10:48 FakePlasticLove wrote:
lol at few foreigner fans who support Savior streaming sc. How do you think actual progamers feel? Did you guys all miss KT Rolster's coach rage so hard about this topic? Did you miss the part after that where he apologized for overreacting and acting without thinking?
Yes but that rage wasn't out of nothing. I'm sure tons of other progamers/coaches/members of the e-sports (not some TLer behind a monitor) feel the same way, but do not display their anger for the reasons KT Rolster's coach was criticized .
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I just think that people are overreacting a little, I mean like if someone gets caught doing drugs [Like speed, steroides whatever) It's not like people start saying that they should go kill themselves, This is actually a lot less worse imo because if you do speed and win, you actually 'steal' a victory from someone, match fixing just makes you give away a win.
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On June 21 2011 21:42 Roflhaxx wrote:
I just think that people are overreacting a little, I mean like if someone gets caught doing drugs [Like speed, steroides whatever) It's not like people start saying that they should go kill themselves, This is actually a lot less worse imo because if you do speed and win, you actually 'steal' a victory from someone, match fixing just makes you give away a win.
He let down his fans and the only thing he destroyed in 2011 was the integrity of the competitive bw scene. It's not about its immediate effect (giving away a win) but what giving a win away means in the larger picture. People trusted Savior.
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to have threatened and nearly toppled the entire e-spots scene
Ehhh... I dunno. I don't think the esports scene was ever threatened. What Savior did was shitty, but all sports go through this, especially when they get bigger. At the time Savior was caught, he was a really small part of the eSports scene, playing maybe a game a month on TV. As for other players who may have been doing well at the time that were caught, that responsibility is their own and you can't blame Savior for what they did, just like you're unwilling to blame the shady people Savior got involved with for what he did. Putting the blame entirely on Savior is really unfair, and suggesting that the scene almost died because of him is a difficult claim to prove, especially since it survived and the OSL between Flash and Effort had a really big turn out.
I really think if it wasn't Savior, it would have been someone else. It was inevitable that this kind of thing would happened, and had probably happened before. It's just that BW got to the level that it needed to be taken really seriously, and Savior ended up being the scapegoat for everyone's hate (at least in the foreign community). Whoever talks about Yarnc and the others who were involved? They are the ones directly responsible for the thrown games. Savior didn't lose those games for them. Yet no one is mad at them... I can't even name all of them right now. Upmagic... who else? Who even cares? It's kind of weird that the middle man gets so much focus even though his role was relatively small and interchangeable. He should have refused, but I certainly think it would have happened anyway with or without Savior.
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