• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:34
CEST 06:34
KST 13:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence5Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups3WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Diplomacy, Cosmonarchy Edition [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [IPSL] ISPL Season 1 Winter Qualis and Info! Is there English video for group selection for ASL
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1332 users

SaviOr's Unwelcomed Return - Page 4

Blogs > cive
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
June 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#61
On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.

We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
TranslatorBaa!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#62
On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.

We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.

rofl

okay buddy
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 02:03:37
June 16 2011 02:02 GMT
#63
2 cents:

1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge

2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.

-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back.
ppp
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 16 2011 02:07 GMT
#64
On June 16 2011 11:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
2 cents:

1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge

2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.

-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back.


But the thing is he's not making money by charging for his stream or making it donor only, people simply have the option to donate to him if they so choose. You can't possibly fault him for that... Right?
Hi.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
June 16 2011 02:07 GMT
#65
On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 10:40 Radical wrote:
On June 16 2011 10:35 Megaliskuu wrote:
On June 16 2011 10:34 JiPrime wrote:
On June 16 2011 10:32 SenorChang wrote:
feels like you are trying to create a mob mentality (but it's failing :D)


Not so in Korean community right now.

We're gearing up...


Lol you keyboard warriors should just shut the fuck up and let the man play, hes already banned for life from any BW and Sc2 events, what else do you want to take away?

I agree 1000x. Have people forgotten how much he contributed to SC before the betting scandal? Yeah the betting scandal was shitty, but he already got his punishment for that.


What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well?

Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.<

Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible.

Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out.

I believed him until the very end...

As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast.

Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 10:45 Kfish wrote:
I know I have done things I regret.
I know you have done things you regret.



Can you really throw the first stone?


We all cast the stone because we can.

It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.

I think it's really pathetic you're trying to prevent OTHER PEOPLE from enjoying what THEY want to enjoy. You don't decide that for other people. If you don't like it don't watch yourself but you have NO RIGHT to attempt to destroy others entertainment. It's not your duty, it's not your right. Please just leave it alone.
Taengoo ♥
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 16 2011 02:09 GMT
#66
On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:
What makes you people so certain that all of his achievements were not rigged as well?

Nobody knows how long has he been rigging the games. <.<

Savior needs to stay the hell away from BW or SC2 scene as much as possible.

Words cannot describe the pain people like us got when the truth was out.

I believed him until the very end...

As of now he made $600 from a day's broadcast.


You do realize that the people who were match rigging didn't do it to win the games?

Basically if I was playing against Flash, the betting websites would pay out 34278953679 times more cash if I won and you bet on me, than the other way around.

So what the match fixers figured out, was that if they had matches like the above, and went through a broker (which is what Savior was) they could bet on their opponent to win, and then they would throw the game. Then because the odds were so ridiculous, they'd get a ton of cash back.

They bet on themselves to lose, not win.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
ninjafetus
Profile Joined December 2008
United States231 Posts
June 16 2011 02:09 GMT
#67
The man's paid his punishment. Still is. If you don't like the stream, don't watch. If others choose to, that's okay too. You can try and encourage them not to, but they might not be so interested in your opinion when it comes to their forgiveness.
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
June 16 2011 02:10 GMT
#68
On June 16 2011 10:45 JiPrime wrote:
We all cast the stone because we can.

It's our duty to show that we are no pushovers, and that we mean serious business.


Oh yeah? You and what army?

On June 16 2011 10:58 JiPrime wrote:
Btw, you fanboys can rage at us all you want.

We at DCinside Starcraft Gallery don't care.


H'okay. You and a ragtag group of keyboard warriors are gonna jump some guy who's gotten money from people donation money of their own free will.

I don't know if this is a Korean thing, but I'm really irritated that I'm from the same country this asshat is from.

Like someone said earlier, no point in beating a dead horse. IT'S FUCKING DEAD. MOVE ON.
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
June 16 2011 02:14 GMT
#69
On June 16 2011 11:07 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
2 cents:

1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge

2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.

-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back.


But the thing is he's not making money by charging for his stream or making it donor only, people simply have the option to donate to him if they so choose. You can't possibly fault him for that... Right?

Yes, it is people's will to pay the streamer or not.

The problem that most people have is the idea of earning (or getting donations) from something that he have almost destroyed through illegal betting (essentially $$$). They just want him away from the scene: nothing to do with BW, especially making money off from something that he destroyed.

So yes, you can't fault him for just streaming. However, with afreeca's system, streamers can earn money, and most people are assuming that Savior is streaming to make some $$$ through BW (I couldn't verify this because I haven't watched the stream).
ppp
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 16 2011 02:20 GMT
#70
Savior doesn't deserve to return to the progaming scene or taste the glory of being on the televised live stage ever again for what he did

however I'm grateful that he's choosing to stream, because he's such a fuckin SICK player, with some of the smoothest micro/coordination/multitask I've ever seen. He can help partially pay for his sins by helping the next generation of BW players w/ his livestream FPVOD, as well as giving us viewers a true treat to watch. I'll be sorely disappointed in the Korean community if they get him to stop broadcast his play :\
Writerptrk
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
June 16 2011 02:24 GMT
#71
On June 16 2011 11:20 ArvickHero wrote:
Savior doesn't deserve to return to the progaming scene or taste the glory of being on the televised live stage ever again for what he did

however I'm grateful that he's choosing to stream, because he's such a fuckin SICK player, with some of the smoothest micro/coordination/multitask I've ever seen. He can help partially pay for his sins by helping the next generation of BW players w/ his livestream FPVOD, as well as giving us viewers a true treat to watch. I'll be sorely disappointed in the Korean community if they get him to stop broadcast his play :\

Agreed...his punishment was in regards to his pro days and those are over. To try and force more punishment into his casual play of BW is sadistic. He can do what he wants on his own time including making money off of BW through donations.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#72
On June 16 2011 11:14 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:07 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:02 supernovamaniac wrote:
2 cents:

1st: Savior did almost destroy something that many people have built up for years. In the beginning, gaming was bad. I was grounded for watching BW. Eventually, however, it became part of the culture where everyone knows what 'Mining for Mineral' means. One of the greatest player betraying the scene was very huge

2nd: Did I mention that Savior is making money through BW? No? Well know you know.

-edit- forgot to mention that these are two reasons why I don't want Savior back. Doesn't mean that I do not want to see him back.


But the thing is he's not making money by charging for his stream or making it donor only, people simply have the option to donate to him if they so choose. You can't possibly fault him for that... Right?

Yes, it is people's will to pay the streamer or not.

The problem that most people have is the idea of earning (or getting donations) from something that he have almost destroyed through illegal betting (essentially $$$). They just want him away from the scene: nothing to do with BW, especially making money off from something that he destroyed.

So yes, you can't fault him for just streaming. However, with afreeca's system, streamers can earn money, and most people are assuming that Savior is streaming to make some $$$ through BW (I couldn't verify this because I haven't watched the stream).



But how is it their right to stop him from playing BW at all, he already can't play it professionaly but there's no reason he can't play it for fun and stream his games whether he is doing it for money or not he is doing nothing wrong simply by streaming his games and allowing donations.

Even if he were to ask for donations he is still not in the wrong (in my opinion) due to the fact that they're still donations whether he asks for them or not it'll be up to the viewers' themselves to decide whether or not they want to donate. It's not like him saying "donate pls" is going to change the mind of people who weren't going to donate in the first place.
Hi.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#73
I like your cute comics, but like most posters here I think you are wrong about this. Savior was banned from a sport he'd dedicated his life to. That's enough. There's nothing wrong with him doing something productive for the community or whatever else. He doesn't have to kill himself just because he made a mistake in is his life. Just let the man live his life... Clearly BW is still close to his heart (and if you say he's only doing this for the money, I think that's a joke. There's other ways to make money).

Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others... As long as they don't keep making the same mistakes, I don't see any reason to keep kicking them in the nuts. That's as nicely as I can put it, but to be honest if your other comics weren't good you'd get so much more flak for this.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
June 16 2011 02:37 GMT
#74
On June 16 2011 11:24 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:20 ArvickHero wrote:
Savior doesn't deserve to return to the progaming scene or taste the glory of being on the televised live stage ever again for what he did

however I'm grateful that he's choosing to stream, because he's such a fuckin SICK player, with some of the smoothest micro/coordination/multitask I've ever seen. He can help partially pay for his sins by helping the next generation of BW players w/ his livestream FPVOD, as well as giving us viewers a true treat to watch. I'll be sorely disappointed in the Korean community if they get him to stop broadcast his play :\

Agreed...his punishment was in regards to his pro days and those are over. To try and force more punishment into his casual play of BW is sadistic. He can do what he wants on his own time including making money off of BW through donations.


Yeah, I'm fine with him making money off of BW too, as long as it's not in the competitive scene, and we all know that can never happen. He's still paying the price for what he did, and that's enough.

I'm glad he hasn't quit playing the game that he showed so much genius in, even though his career in that game ended in life-long shame. If he still has a passion for BW after what he's been through then good for him, and I say this as someone who quit watching BW completely after the match-fixing scandal.
I deadlift for Aiur
Kfish
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Chile282 Posts
June 16 2011 02:47 GMT
#75
by the way, can anyone link his stream please?
chomsky
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada97 Posts
June 16 2011 02:48 GMT
#76
On June 16 2011 11:47 Kfish wrote:
by the way, can anyone link his stream please?


if he streams through afreeca, don't you need a korean ID or something to watch? although I know some korean-only streams get re-streamed through justin.tv, etc
"Not to take this post too seriously, but..." -Chef
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
June 16 2011 02:49 GMT
#77
DCinside Starcraft Gallery is no joke

[image loading]

They're ready to strike
ppp
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 16 2011 02:52 GMT
#78
On June 16 2011 11:49 supernovamaniac wrote:
DCinside Starcraft Gallery is no joke

[image loading]

They're ready to strike


lololol check out them keyboard warriors!
Hi.
gimmeateeshitkent
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia80 Posts
June 16 2011 02:55 GMT
#79
look at the guy getting mounted by a CRT monitor
broodwar till i die (fuck blizzard)
xVoiid
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada199 Posts
June 16 2011 02:55 GMT
#80
Sure he doesn't have the right to play the game professionally, but he has every damn right to play it for entertainment and he can stream whenever the fuck he wants to. 0/5
It ain't over 'till it's over.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
Mid Season Playoffs #2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 170
Livibee 80
ROOTCatZ 60
StarCraft: Brood War
soO 65
Noble 59
JulyZerg 27
ajuk12(nOOB) 25
sSak 17
Bale 12
Icarus 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever520
NeuroSwarm123
League of Legends
JimRising 630
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K842
semphis_21
Other Games
summit1g6096
shahzam656
C9.Mang0347
Maynarde122
SortOf96
Trikslyr44
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick876
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1412
• Lourlo953
• Stunt341
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h 27m
Afreeca Starleague
5h 27m
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
2v2
6h 27m
OSC
8h 27m
PiGosaur Monday
19h 27m
LiuLi Cup
1d 6h
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Online Event
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.