• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:52
CEST 20:52
KST 03:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Rollback Netcode in Brood War315.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202621Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)78
StarCraft 2
General
We built a tool to spot smurfs at match start 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released Fantasy returning? GG Lan Fest Sofia, Bulgaria [this November]
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7986 users

SaviOr's Unwelcomed Return - Page 8

Blogs > cive
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 Next All
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 14:56:07
June 16 2011 14:52 GMT
#141
There's something slightly disturbing about the fascistic glee with which people state that a guy somehow shouldn't be allowed to play a game he owns over a streaming service which allows for donations. Why exactly? Oh because enough people want to watch it that it might distract from the Proleague and he might make some money from the donations? Still not seeing what this has to do with anyone else. KeSPA have punished him to the extent of their capabilities. The Korean court system has punished him to the extent of their capabilities.

What exactly are you expecting to happen? Should we send the SWAT team around to blow up his computer with a grenade launcher? If he wants to play BW good for him. If he wants to stream good for him. If people want to watch him good for them. If people want to donate to him good for them.

Why you'd want to stop other people's enjoyment watching one of the best BW players of all time play BW completely outside the confines of competition is beyond me. Control freak much?

Here's an idea: people who don't want to watch him play don't watch him play and people who don't want to donate to him don't donate to him. Don't interefere with what other people want to do though. Problem solved.

On June 16 2011 18:15 FourFace wrote:
gm shield fou and the likes are filesystems on the hard drive of the Artificial Intelligence created by Blizzard, the UN and the Prog(r)am(m)ers. Similar to the artistic interpretations in Animatrix, Mankind has found a way to create a self-conscious, virtually emulated mind and they have been feeding it information ever since through the language of starcraft. Concepts like greed (taking unnecessary expansions too quickly) or Bravery (Brave winning against samsung khan protoss without having an economic or army advantage just by engaging recklessly and his opponent getting caught with a scattered army) have been translated into this language for the AI to have concrete data, like the keyboard and mouse input of the progamers during the match, to fathom human behavior with. sAviOr was the leading ambassador for Zerg (pure essence), the codename for tier 1 thought emulation, he could teach the Ai to optimize it's own interplay of mutation, variation, selection which lead to the efficient interaction with Protoss (pure form), the codename for the neuro cybernetic hardware. Thus the artificial intelligence was able to successfully develop compatibility with the human brain -> a hybrid operating system came into being -> proxy implantation of the Ai brain was possible and Flash became the first cyborg. For security reasons he has a self-termination device implanted in his wrists, that can be triggered in a fraction of a picosecond by the High Security Council Commodore Kim Taek-Yong and his second in command captain Best.
Yes I'm in crazy mode, thank you very much.


You should write fanfiction, that was legitimately entertaining and coherent.
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
June 16 2011 15:10 GMT
#142
Ur blog title, and the comic. It is biased against SavioR..

Maybe u are influenced by the korea talk show or something...

Yes, the comic is well done but, to potray Savior as total evil coming to afreeca as god and ppl running away from him, i feel, it is not fair for SavioR. It feels like a progpaganda blog, u understand me?

Maybe u feel, he is doing it for money.
But that is how u feel, it might not be true. Maybe some fans ask him do it for them, maybe he is trying to connect with his fans?

If turning on the donations meaning doing it for money. Then, most of the afreeca stream is doing it for money. The church I go always ask for my donation....
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 16 2011 15:13 GMT
#143
i think everybody should calm down
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
June 16 2011 16:11 GMT
#144
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports

Obviously
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
June 16 2011 19:49 GMT
#145
On June 17 2011 01:11 bonifaceviii wrote:
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports

Obviously

If you have a problem with him streaming, you can talk to afreeca but I don't think you'll obtain concrete results as he brings attention to afreeca and that's probably what they want.

He maxes out a good number of channels. Which part of this hurts e-sports? Getting more viewers than a random STX vs MBCGame proleague match, rofl. Small SC2 tournaments that are calendared on TL do that as well, do they hurt e-sports too?
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 16 2011 19:53 GMT
#146
On June 17 2011 04:49 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 01:11 bonifaceviii wrote:
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports

Obviously

If you have a problem with him streaming, you can talk to afreeca but I don't think you'll obtain concrete results as he brings attention to afreeca and that's probably what they want.

He maxes out a good number of channels. Which part of this hurts e-sports? Getting more viewers than a random STX vs MBCGame proleague match, rofl. Small SC2 tournaments that are calendared on TL do that as well, do they hurt e-sports too?


If you read this thread you will understand .
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
June 16 2011 20:25 GMT
#147
Wtf is up with you guys. SaviOr is already banned from everything Pro Starcraft, so shut up and check out this dude's comics.

I like the OP's comics on his blog. Even though I don't necessarily agree with them all but hell I'm glad someone with that sort of art style is willing to do some comics. Keep it up man!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 16 2011 20:32 GMT
#148
But he's wrong on the internet, Snuggles! It cannot go unpunished.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
June 16 2011 20:47 GMT
#149
On June 17 2011 04:53 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 04:49 Djagulingu wrote:
On June 17 2011 01:11 bonifaceviii wrote:
Savior's streaming is obviously hurting esports

Obviously

If you have a problem with him streaming, you can talk to afreeca but I don't think you'll obtain concrete results as he brings attention to afreeca and that's probably what they want.

He maxes out a good number of channels. Which part of this hurts e-sports? Getting more viewers than a random STX vs MBCGame proleague match, rofl. Small SC2 tournaments that are calendared on TL do that as well, do they hurt e-sports too?


If you read this thread you will understand .

I have already read the thread but he actually sounded serious to me unlike most other people. I think I'm becoming a romanian.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
June 16 2011 20:57 GMT
#150
Pete rose loved baseball more than anything. He made a few bad decisions and now is not in the hall of fame. Vick made some bad decisions, but in his comeback year he was outstanding.
If savior is sorry, there is no reason he cannot continue to enjoy the game he loves.

If not, I would love if savior came over to sc2 and pwned some faces. That would truly make sc2 more popular.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 21:32:24
June 16 2011 21:29 GMT
#151
I can already tell that some angry Korean netizen is going to do something extreme to him. Considering this is Korea we are talking about, where celebrities have killed themselves because of angry fans/netizens.

Also you can't take away his right to game, and simply put forgive and forget.
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 16 2011 21:34 GMT
#152
On June 17 2011 05:57 darmousseh wrote:
If not, I would love if savior came over to sc2 and pwned some faces. That would truly make sc2 more popular.


Ehhhhhhhhhhnnnnnn....no.

This is Korea we're talking about here. They forgive about as easily as a brick.

That analogy was shitty.


They don't forgive easily. I think if anything it would tank the SC2 in Korea scene, right into the ground.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
June 16 2011 21:46 GMT
#153
Sorry if this has been said/asked already. But where is his stream and is he playing sc2 at all?
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 16 2011 21:48 GMT
#154
On June 17 2011 06:46 SpoR wrote:
Sorry if this has been said/asked already. But where is his stream and is he playing sc2 at all?


He is streaming on afreeca but Kiante and GTR have both been restreaming. No sc2, vods can be found on the later pages of this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=198810&currentpage=42.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
fatfail
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States386 Posts
June 16 2011 22:01 GMT
#155
I think that there is nothing wrong with Savior streaming. Yes, he did do those horrible actions that nearly brought down the esports industry, and I don't think he should go unpunished, but what he does outside of kespa events is up to him. Personally, if I was savior, I wouldn't stream, but I guess he has every right to stream. If you don't support him, don't watch him play, and don't donate.
Kong fan... <3 Stork <3 Jangbi <3 Yellow <3 Fantasy
Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
June 19 2011 22:01 GMT
#156
On June 16 2011 09:52 cive wrote:
Ah... well, I guess I will explain just a little bit.
People (including myself) have a real issue with saviOr[gm] streaming because of two things:

1. He's streaming for money (he gets paid when a viewer chooses to donate by giving him "star-balloons". He could've better defended himself if he disabled this function).

2. He streamed during proleague schedule (I read it from TheMarine twitter; correct me if I'm wrong).

Some one put it nicely on the saviOr thread that:

"We cannot take away a person's right to play a game".

He can play quietly or even stream, if he wanted to just play for fun. Nope, he showed his name then confirmed it by his voice. He took it a step too far.

Why does it matter if he get's paid for streaming and that he did it during proleague? I don't see why people are out on a witchhunt after savior, the man has gotten punished, he has been banned from progaming. What more do you want?
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 19 2011 22:58 GMT
#157
What the fuck?

You should be happy the Master of Zerg is streaming again
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
June 19 2011 23:11 GMT
#158
On June 20 2011 07:58 arb wrote:
What the fuck?

You should be happy the Master of Zerg is streaming again


this..... any stream, ESPECIALLY a stream of that HIGH-LEVEL should be welcomed with open arms....

He did wrong and served his punishment--there's no reason for that to be extended
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
June 19 2011 23:17 GMT
#159
I might have a problem with Pete Rose playing professional baseball. I have no problem with Pete Rose playing baseball with his kids or friends, outside of competition. I have no problem with Pete Rose throwing games against his kids.

Savior can throw all he wants in casual games. It's completely different.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
June 20 2011 00:23 GMT
#160
On June 17 2011 05:57 darmousseh wrote:
Pete rose loved baseball more than anything. He made a few bad decisions and now is not in the hall of fame. Vick made some bad decisions, but in his comeback year he was outstanding.
If savior is sorry, there is no reason he cannot continue to enjoy the game he loves.

If not, I would love if savior came over to sc2 and pwned some faces. That would truly make sc2 more popular.

From what I understand neither of those two actually compromised the legitimacy of games they were involved in (though dog-fighting is kind of terrible).
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 533
ProTech159
UpATreeSC 60
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19960
Calm 3629
Mini 424
Mind 84
910 65
Free 63
soO 31
Trap 31
Aegong 23
Dota 2
Gorgc5189
XaKoH 296
canceldota56
Counter-Strike
fl0m6066
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3395
Other Games
FrodaN848
Beastyqt555
Liquid`Hasu288
Khaldor199
Livibee193
C9.Mang0140
Trikslyr126
RotterdaM118
IndyStarCraft 80
QueenE72
ZombieGrub28
BRAT_OK 25
MindelVK11
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 26
• FirePhoenix11
• Michael_bg 1
• niya90s 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV286
League of Legends
• Nemesis2304
Other Games
• imaqtpie757
• Shiphtur686
• tFFMrPink 5
• Scarra4
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 8m
Big Brain Bouts
15h 8m
Rex vs INexorable
GgMaChine vs HeRoMaRinE
Reynor vs herO
AI Arena Tournament
22h 8m
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
Patches Events
1d 20h
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
OSC
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-08
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.