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elmoscousin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States30 Posts
June 16 2011 02:57 GMT
#81
Does anyone know the link to his stream? I would be really interested to watch.
Brood War is hard T_T
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
June 16 2011 02:59 GMT
#82
Much as I detest Savior for his match fixing, streaming games on afreeca is unrelated to Kespa or professional starcraft so if he chooses to do so that's his right and if people tune in to watch then that's their prerogative.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
June 16 2011 03:02 GMT
#83
Y'know, the ban from progaming is necessary and deserved. We can't let bad things go unpunished.

That said, I would totally watch sAviOr play a showmatch, BW or SC2 or whatever, against somebody, even for money. I just can't find it in me to get too upset about somebody who's paid his price already.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
June 16 2011 03:04 GMT
#84
Savior should play anonymously, if at all. Trying to cash in on his infamy is slimy. He didn't bet on games (Pete Rose), he didn't take performance enhancing drugs (Jose Canseco), he didn't "shave points" (City College of New York basketball players), he recruited younger players to throw broadcasted games for money. The only thing worse than that in professional sports is hiring a thug to cripple your competition the night before the event (Tonya Harding), and in gambling, there is nothing worse than what Savior did. I'm honestly surprised so many people are taking this lightly. It's like y'all don't take ESPORTS seriously, lol.

Anyway....

Savior's part of the reason I fell in love with BW and esports... but his career is over and deserves no revival. Grudging recognition for his contribution to Zerg? sure. But no revival.
cha0
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada509 Posts
June 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#85
I myself have forgiven SaviOr. It took a while, but there are a lot worse things out in the world to rage and hate someone over starcraft. I could write a really long post about the whole situation from my perspective but I think to keep it short I'll just say for something like this I think forgiveness can be found. He will never be able to touch the proscene again and I think that is punishment enough. Looking forward to watching his stream.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:16:17
June 16 2011 03:13 GMT
#86
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.
Better than Pokebunny
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 16 2011 03:14 GMT
#87
Did he destroy everyone in 2009 yet?
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 16 2011 03:17 GMT
#88
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#89
On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ


I don't even understand the analogy; murder is completely unrelated to the game whereas hacking, abusing, cheating and match fixing all are.
Hi.
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#90
I can kinda understand that people who have been fans of Savior for years want to see him and support him, even though he played a huge part in stealing the innocence of e-sports and betraying all it's fans.. well on a second thought I don't really understand it at all

I think it's kinda ironical that he gets money from the people he betrayed. But well, as long as there are enough people in this world without any principles, anything is possible I guess.
Check out @MapOfTheMonth on Twitter and under http://bit.ly/motmorg
XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#91
He stream SCBW or SC2?
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
June 16 2011 03:19 GMT
#92
On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ

OJ?
Better than Pokebunny
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:20:26
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#93
BW

On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ

OJ?


OJ Simpson
Hi.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 16 2011 03:20 GMT
#94
1/5, let the man be. He can never play BW or SC2 as a progamer again in his life. Is it too much to allow him to play the game he had such an influence on?
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:28:31
June 16 2011 03:23 GMT
#95
On June 16 2011 12:20 d(O.o)a wrote:
BW

Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ

OJ?


OJ Simpson

So you are comparing cheating in a game to murder? and no i was not particularly fond of O.J simpson before or after he killed his wife. i see your point although i don't think it really applies.

Edit: He was pretty funny in naked gun.
Better than Pokebunny
AdelSC123
Profile Joined March 2010
France362 Posts
June 16 2011 03:26 GMT
#96
give him a brake...No man should be forced to leave under a rock for an error.

And you & your blog are probably way more unwelcomed than savior.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
June 16 2011 03:27 GMT
#97
On June 16 2011 12:23 Foreplay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:20 d(O.o)a wrote:
BW

On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ

OJ?


OJ Simpson

So you are comparing cheating in a game to murder? and no i was not particularly fond of O.J simpson before or after he killed his wife but i see your point although i don't think it really applies.

the similarity is comparing how attached you are to a celebrity, to what lengths you'll still support them. I know it was a stretch, lol :\
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 16 2011 03:29 GMT
#98
On June 16 2011 12:26 HellKey wrote:
give him a brake...No man should be forced to leave under a rock for an error.

And you & your blog are probably way more unwelcomed than savior.


This is a good point as well, because regardless of what savior did it would get him in the lime light if there is any possible way it could be seen by others, and regardless of what it was there would be netizens who jump in and assault him with their keyboards.
Hi.
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
June 16 2011 03:31 GMT
#99
On June 16 2011 12:27 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 12:23 Foreplay wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:20 d(O.o)a wrote:
BW

On June 16 2011 12:19 Foreplay wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:17 Roe wrote:
On June 16 2011 12:13 Foreplay wrote:
I am personally over the Savior match fixing. I am super stoked to watch him play in any capacity.
Savior fan for life.

Lots of starcraft players have been caught cheating and now no one really cares. Dimaga, Testie, TT1 etc etc. To me match fixing is no worse than hacking or abusing.

I know it's very much a stretch of an analogy, but I wonder if you are/were a fan of OJ

OJ?


OJ Simpson

So you are comparing cheating in a game to murder? and no i was not particularly fond of O.J simpson before or after he killed his wife but i see your point although i don't think it really applies.

the similarity is comparing how attached you are to a celebrity, to what lengths you'll still support them. I know it was a stretch, lol :\

I get that but i was more just trying to point out a double standard in the community. Hackers and abusers are given second chances all the time. I do not see why savior should be any different. He is basically an abuser on a larger scale.
Better than Pokebunny
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
June 16 2011 03:34 GMT
#100
I think Savior should be allowed back in esports actually. Who cares if he streams? He paid his dues. I personally would love to see him play again professionally. He was an amazing player.

People need to learn to let things go and move on. As well as a bunch other points people have been trying to hammer across in this blog.
Not bad for a cat toy.
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