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On May 20 2017 03:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
the way i see it, xdaunt just kind of insults people while kwark is an ass while posting facts.
Until Kwark gets into one of his moods and insults people for an afternoon. See the xDaunt quoted stream a couple pages back. Kwark's still around because he doesn't lead with the insults the next day. That and his politics agree with the majority of mods (so things don't stick out as much).
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Trust me I've experienced the personal emotional and verbal abuse from him from my eve days. Politics has nothing to do with his not getting actioned.
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On May 20 2017 08:52 Sermokala wrote:
Trust me I've experienced the personal emotional and verbal abuse from him from my eve days. Politics has nothing to do with his not getting actioned.
Mods are treated more leniently than writers. And left wing (well, center left sometimes) politics doesn't stir up the hornet's nest as much as right wing politics. XDaunt sometimes brings out 6 shitposts on the same page.
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Hyrule19087 Posts
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it.
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On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it.
We'll see if all those back room conversations pan out. The amount of vendetta this last round made me wonder. But hey, if it doesn't erupt again I'll be clapping.
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On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it.
Maybe he's gotten a good talking to, maybe he hasn't. That's ultimately your information to know and share or not share based on how much you want to share. What is nevertheless apparent to all of us is that whatever is or isn't done, nothing has actually changed: there is still a member of the staff who posts in a manner that makes the discussion substantially shittier.
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On May 20 2017 10:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it. We'll see if all those back room conversations pan out. The amount of vendetta this last round made me wonder. But hey, if it doesn't erupt again I'll be clapping.
aw, when i saw vendetta i thought you were about to link a mafia game.
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On May 20 2017 22:56 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it. Maybe he's gotten a good talking to, maybe he hasn't. That's ultimately your information to know and share or not share based on how much you want to share. What is nevertheless apparent to all of us is that whatever is or isn't done, nothing has actually changed: there is still a member of the staff who posts in a manner that makes the discussion substantially shittier.
Not apparent to all of us. With maybe a few exceptions I think Kwark consistently adds a lot to the conversation.
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So are we back to low-content mass Twitter posts being ok? They've slowly crept back into becoming the status quo...
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I'm happy they aren't gutter quality. The substance is lacking but the sources aren't as bad as in the past.
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On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it. That didn't happen in my personal experience. A conversation is hardly a treatment stricter than a ban.
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Canada13389 Posts
On May 25 2017 08:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it. That didn't happen in my personal experience. A conversation is hardly a treatment stricter than a ban.
Some staff have had their powers revoked because of their actions. And things you could get away with we would get a talking to.
Generally staff tend not to pass into this is bannable territory. But almost every little slightly off colour thing we do creates a talking to.
We are held to a higher standard, even if we don't get banned often. And usually staff or mod related removals or smackdowns aren't made public - so you won't hear about it even when it does happen. I've seen mods banned its just not made obvious to all most of the time.
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Again, regardless of what was or wasn't done in terms of internal discipline, the result is still that a mod continues to be a poster who posts in a manner that would probably notch up a fair share of action if he weren't one.
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well the last few pages have been an interesting discussion. plus i am now hungry.
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On May 26 2017 22:26 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 08:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it. That didn't happen in my personal experience. A conversation is hardly a treatment stricter than a ban. Some staff have had their powers revoked because of their actions. And things you could get away with we would get a talking to. Generally staff tend not to pass into this is bannable territory. But almost every little slightly off colour thing we do creates a talking to. We are held to a higher standard, even if we don't get banned often. And usually staff or mod related removals or smackdowns aren't made public - so you won't hear about it even when it does happen. I've seen mods banned its just not made obvious to all most of the time.
To take you up on your word, all that is hardly to be treated more strictly than a public warning or ban. For instance, I had a new writer/mod go totally batshit insane on me, with insults that would had completely banned a long term poster. By your criteria of higher standards, that same writer would had been instabanned. I am not interested on the inner workings of your IRC, but you cannot just blithely assert something that isn't true.
Instead what happened was that he was "allowed" to rewrite his post, and he rewrote my post calling him out on it, to be essentially deleted. He didn't even apologise and in fact the PM I recieved from him was basically a slap in the face bragging about how much power he had over me. A most unpleasant experience.
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On May 26 2017 22:26 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2017 08:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On May 20 2017 10:39 tofucake wrote:
I would actually say the opposite. Mods are treated more strictly, since we should know what's appropriate and what isn't. But staff actions are very rare. Usually it consists of a conversation and expectations are laid out. But since this doesn't happen in the ABL, users aren't aware of it. That didn't happen in my personal experience. A conversation is hardly a treatment stricter than a ban. Some staff have had their powers revoked because of their actions. And things you could get away with we would get a talking to. Generally staff tend not to pass into this is bannable territory. But almost every little slightly off colour thing we do creates a talking to. We are held to a higher standard, even if we don't get banned often. And usually staff or mod related removals or smackdowns aren't made public - so you won't hear about it even when it does happen. I've seen mods banned its just not made obvious to all most of the time.
Any normal user of the site would still be enjoying their ejection from it if they had posted your meltdown, which is why you started by admitting the special status that allowed you the leeway to get away with it.
This higher standard business is delusional. Ask any user in any thread on the site which action they'd prefer, a ban or being talked to. If your invisible chewing out were more severe than bans, then you'd expect people to be given a strongly worded memo after getting permabanned.
Everyone should lead by example like Falling (and many others that I can't remember right now because I just saw a Falling post). People who can't hold themselves to a higher standard the way the site asks of any user either shouldn't be modding or shouldn't be posting. It would probably be more reassuring to say just trust me, there is a secret system of discipline (compared to the ABL and mod actions which are transparent), if it looked like it was working, but it seems some people don't change.
Anyway, just for fun, look at xDaunt, he's still here and has barely any mod record, right? So either he wasn't doing anything (in which case maybe admit an element of caving prejudicially because he's not on the more popular wing of politics) or he's fixed now, meaning it worked to change his status, it improved his posting. Either result is supportive of extending the same treatment to others.
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danglars back to his usual shit-posting, yet again, which will probably be unactioned as always. I again boo the failure to properly moderate the thread.
he posts something obviously unsound, it gets eviscerated, then he just walks away without countering any of the points; and he'll come back later pretending like he was right and/or ignoring that his points were unfounded or false.
this relates to what's happening here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=7749#154961
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People post in ways I don't like. Annoying!
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I disagree with virtually everything that Danglars posts, but I don't recall ever seeing him post something actionable.
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On June 03 2017 12:17 Mercy13 wrote:
I disagree with virtually everything that Danglars posts, but I don't recall ever seeing him post something actionable.
Agreed. He's one of the most civil posters in the thread.
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