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this is rich.
xdaunt is a pillar of hypocrisy. why you're even allowed to post blows my mind. how you can even type all those words without any sense of irony is troubling. how delusional.
you want so desperately to be handled with kid gloves, maybe instead put on a helmet.
kwarks posts are perfectly normal responding in kind. context matters.
if you don't want to be singled out like an asshole stop posting like an asshole. it has nothing to do with being a conservative and everything to do that you post like a total asshole.
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Frankly, I don't see anything out of the ordinary here beyond the uniquely uproarious state of US politics. I'm pretty sure these website feedback explosions coincide with the release of particularly controversial or ground-shaking news anyhow.
Edit: Though I will note that the "close the thread" and "ban these people" folks tend to be the same over time.
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On May 17 2017 15:19 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 12:34 Introvert wrote:On May 17 2017 11:04 LegalLord wrote:
the thread took a nosedive the moment Kwark (among others) made their return. Regardless of the merits in this particular case, the above is absolutely true. +1 And the "among others" obviously means Plansix. The two do nothing positive for the US politics thread.
Kwark is the single poster most responsible for making me decide that reading the thread is actually worthwhile, and I nearly stopped while Kwark and p6 were gone. Entirely too much of the discussion was just LL trying to bring up electability again.
Anyway if we accepted the premise of this (seeing if the thread turns bad when someone's there without looking at whose fault it is) xDaunt would be banned in a heartbeat. Nearly every time he decides to post the thread boils over with people angrily responding to whatever inflammatory thing he said.
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Those who think that this is really about Kwark are badly missing the point. I could complain about any number of posters at length, but I don't. Nor do I report people, despite having ample reason on a daily basis to do so. Regardless of his status as a mod, Kwark is going to post how he posts, and I'm not trying to disrupt his posting, as distasteful as I find it. My attitude has always been that the politics thread is a free speech zone where people should be given great leeway to post what they want.
This is about the TL mod staff.
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On May 17 2017 22:01 xDaunt wrote:
Those who think that this is really about Kwark are badly missing the point.
I don't want to start quoting the things you literally said again but yesterday the group of people thinking it was really about KwarK consisted of you. You wrote this whole thing about it and how it was unfair that you couldn't report me (you can) and how I was being too mean to you (by letting your own words shame you). I don't especially want it to be all about me but I feel like if I must be the CNN to your Trump then I'll play my part.
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On May 17 2017 22:11 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 22:01 xDaunt wrote:
Those who think that this is really about Kwark are badly missing the point. I don't want to start quoting the things you literally said again but yesterday the group of people thinking it was really about KwarK consisted of you. You wrote this whole thing about it and how it was unfair that you couldn't report me (you can) and how I was being too mean to you (by letting your own words shame you). I don't especially want it to be all about me but I feel like if I must be the CNN to your Trump then I'll play my part.
The irony is that I probably wouldn't report you if I could. And I already know what you'd quote, but once again you'd be taking it out of context.
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I don't think Kwark needs to be mod removed, I think he's fine in where he's posting, and it's not like he's moderating the thread, he's just calling xDaunt out, especially when you contradict yourself so many times xDaunt. Some one in the previous thread said it earlier, I like when Kwark posts because he thought out and thorough. I don't always agree with him, just like I don't always agree with xDaunt, but that's the point of these politic threads.
I feel like the politics threads is where every week some calls some one out, then it just goes into non stop shit talking about the other persons views, then into here in the feedback thread. I'm wondering when people with well thought out opinions can actually discuss real matters without having to dive into "ALT RIGHT/ALT LEFT" garbage.
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On May 17 2017 20:04 farvacola wrote:
Frankly, I don't see anything out of the ordinary here beyond the uniquely uproarious state of US politics. I'm pretty sure these website feedback explosions coincide with the release of particularly controversial or ground-shaking news anyhow.
Edit: Though I will note that the "close the thread" and "ban these people" folks tend to be the same over time.
personally, i find the drama in the thread to be entertaining with no consequences. it's kind of like how xdaunt said that a trump administration would be interesting and exciting to anyone with intellectual curiosity (if there were no real potential downside).
well, i suppose the thread could be shut down, which would be a shame.
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On May 17 2017 22:50 ticklishmusic wrote: well, i suppose the thread could be shut down, which would be a shame.
It would be, and I would hate for it to happen. As a concerned US Citizen, the US Politics thread helps me vent my anxiety of our current situation. And I'm sure it helps everyone else too. I seriously think it goes back to the old saying:
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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I second Shockeyy's kitchen-exit wisdom 
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What I'd say this is really about is just how being an asshole to others tends to be quite contagious. A couple of posters returning to the thread after a 90-day exile was all it took to turn a pretty chill discussion back into the cesspool that the thread has always been. It's not just because they are all so prevalent that they dominate the discussion but simply that when a few people do it (especially those with a mod icon), it starts to become the norm with a larger batch of me-too assholes coming out of the woodwork.
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You can just ignore KwarK like I do Gh and Doodsmack. I mean like actually and not the dumb idea of ignoring him that you think your doing.
Just don't read his posts or respond to his responses to his posts.
I think that xDaunt just has a problem with KwarK and is using his mod status as a crutch to explain it. People are bearing down a bit hard on him but I'd say it's really just 30-70.
At the least xDaunts recent line is better then some of the more inane things we have to do in the thread like talk about how the media is fascist somehow.
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i'd personally take boring insult free discussion on what is fascism.
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On May 18 2017 00:27 LegalLord wrote:
What I'd say this is really about is just how being an asshole to others tends to be quite contagious. A couple of posters returning to the thread after a 90-day exile was all it took to turn a pretty chill discussion back into the cesspool that the thread has always been. It's not just because they are all so prevalent that they dominate the discussion but simply that when a few people do it (especially those with a mod icon), it starts to become the norm with a larger batch of me-too assholes coming out of the woodwork.
Right. The departure from cesspool was the anomaly. You might even extend the me-too to the current political debate. Journalists for major news outlets engage in hysteria, base huge articles on anonymous leaks and trust them thoroughly, and claim the opposition that does not think and act like they do are too partisan to see straight. And of course DNC politicians know there's good political odds with their base here and unite with them. Their readers and twitter followers and media icons drop incredulity and get ginned up into rage. They follow suit. If the contagion has infected the left, center left, and certain members of the center-right, it simply follows that TL posters are part of the tide. I'm speaking as someone that really dislikes Trump and congressional Republicans in similar degree to Democrats and the media, but base tribalism wants to place me in the same mold as Trump primary supporters.
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On May 18 2017 00:27 LegalLord wrote:
What I'd say this is really about is just how being an asshole to others tends to be quite contagious. A couple of posters returning to the thread after a 90-day exile was all it took to turn a pretty chill discussion back into the cesspool that the thread has always been. It's not just because they are all so prevalent that they dominate the discussion but simply that when a few people do it (especially those with a mod icon), it starts to become the norm with a larger batch of me-too assholes coming out of the woodwork.
When two people with opposing views start debating, both view each other as an asshole. I think everyone in the US politics can be an asshole at some point. I know I was once against xDaunt and yourself, but it just happens. I just think most people don't like hearing or reading the truth, and tend to back their belief much stronger than others. And that's the issue really.
We're at a point where we know how deep our ties are with each political spectrum here, and we know that most of the time how to push each others buttons. We're never going to change that other persons opinion, until they realize themselves they're also being assholes.
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nah you can disagree with people and not be an asshole. i don't often post when i disagree with people because it's not my thing. but i typically disagree with most things Danglers says, but i'd never go so far as to say he's an asshole. that'd be ridiculous. he posts facts and opinions both, the key distinction here being he does so without insulting who he's talking to.
using danglers here because xdaunt likes to cry victim as one of the few conservatives. this clearly isn't the cause of people calling him out.
there are plenty of liberal assholes as well. i don't want my focus on conservatives to prove a point to be misconstrued.
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Good lord, you guys are willfully making this difficult. Read through the following and then endeavor to give me a reasonable explanation for why conservative posters should not be upset at the obscene double standard in moderation:
Original Message From Plexa: Hey xDaunt, After an internal discussion, we think it's probably best that we demote you from staff. We've had complaints about your immunity allowing you to get away with stuff. While your posting is probably just within non-actionable bounds, there's still a general aggressive tone/baiting that might be considered for holistic action that as a staff member you're immune to. It makes the mod teams job much easier if you are no long staff and can be moderated like any other user. If you'd like to talk further about this then please let me know. Plexa Show nested quote +Original Message From xDaunt: Plexa- I am staff at TL's pleasure and have no sense of entitlement to the position. If you determine that it is in TL's best interests that I be removed, you may so do so. My feelings won't be hurt. I certainly understand why my railing against Kwark pushes the boundaries However, I would like an explanation as to which other lines that you guys think that I am pushing so that I can adjust my posting. -xDaunt Original Message From Plexa:
Hi xDaunt,
Your actions in (and around) the US politics thread are making it really difficult for us to justify having you as a staff member on the website. While staff are given great leniency around here, the continued pushing of the line turns that leniency into a joke. If you're unable to shape up then we will have to remove you from staff.
Before you complain about Kwark, we're also talking to him about this.
Plexa
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the answer is that you post like an asshole.
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there's that conservative victim card. honestly that you refuse to take any personal responsibility in this matter while continuously claiming everyone else is just not getting it is, as it always is with you, beautifully ironic.
or is it more hypocritical? ignorant? i'm not sure which is the right word.
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