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On May 18 2017 04:38 brian wrote:
honestly that you refuse to take any personal responsibility in this matter while continuously claiming everyone else is just not getting it is, as it always is with you, beautifully ironic.
or is it more hypocritical?
What am I not taking responsibility for? I own all of my posts, and I have no apologies to make about my posting. You have all of the awareness of the situation of a rabid dog.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Y'all should take a minute to look beyond how much you do or don't like xDaunt and consider his comments on their own merits. Whether or not he's in the right you have to admit that this list of "fuck xDaunt so it doesn't really matter what he has a problem with" posts is nothing but a little pissy fight.
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no this still isn't any more worth the time. last time promise thx.
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I think that there is a misunderstanding chiefly among the "conservative" posters that just because there are two major lines of US politics, both of the deserve the same space and the same reaction. That is simply a false dichotomy. Maybe if we were coming from a completely blank state, we should first acquaint ourselves with the ideas from both sides in an unbiased way and then this dichotomy would be real, but that is simply not the case. "The right" has spent all the benefit of doubt they could have ever asked for years ago. We do not have to have to pretend that their opinions are reasonable just because they have them. They should not be immune to reality just because about half of the country moreorless agrees.
It really has grown into a pattern: a "conservative" poster declares something completely ridiculous, or more often alludes to something completely ridiculous in a vague way, because they don't feel the need to explain themselves in detail, because "they have done it so many times", they get called upon the ridiculousness, contradictory facts are presented and they ignore those either silently, or try to disregard them as propaganda, ultimately often leading into the play of the victim card. What pisses me the most is the constant silent ignorance of reality - I always dream of meeting a reasonable "conservative" so that I could learn what logic leads them to having their absurd opinions, but it's just not happening, they never answer the points raised against them, so I can never uncover the mystery how is all of this possible and how it could infect a hundred million people or so.
I am now inclined to accept the theory that it is not that the "conservatives" are somehow oppressed, nor it is that they happen to be unreasonable and oblivious to reality by accident, but that simply anyone who isn't like that can't subscribe to the "right-wing" ideas as currently presented in the US. The cause and effect are simply the other way around. Accepting this theory also easily explains why so many "right-wing" posters are so insufferable - it's simply a part of the personality profile that is needed for someone to become "right-wing" (again, in the current US interpretation) in the first place. If that's the case, then you can however hardly argue for a "fair" treatment considering that the assholes have a natural tendency to flock to one side (with KwarK being a prominent exception though).
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I think the obvious answer is that you think less of someone who disagrees with your politics and you don't regognize why that's an issue with your experience in politics. If you are coming into the conversation with a set viewpoint of people who don't echo what you belive you won't have a food time when people disagree with you
My opinion is that right leaning posters tend to be more realistic and practical about society while leftist posters have more idealistic view of society. Ie leftist people see how things should be and wonder why it's not that way and rightist people see the world as it is and don't want it to get worse. They blame the other side for either making things worse or for it not being better. It doesn't help that we have to be represented by leftists that are incompetent or rightist who are assholes.
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On May 18 2017 06:07 Sermokala wrote:
I think the obvious answer is that you think less of someone who disagrees with your politics and you don't regognize why that's an issue with your experience in politics. If you are coming into the conversation with a set viewpoint of people who don't echo what you belive you won't have a food time when people disagree with you
My opinion is that right leaning posters tend to be more realistic and practical about society while leftist posters have more idealistic view of society. Ie leftist people see how things should be and wonder why it's not that way and rightist people see the world as it is and don't want it to get worse. They blame the other side for either making things worse or for it not being better. It doesn't help that we have to be represented by leftists that are incompetent or rightist who are assholes.
I highly doubt that is it - I'm pretty sure there are a ton of leftist that see the world in a realistic way while conservatives had the idealistic view. I mean, think about it, leftist are more or less to not believe in a god, while conservatives are largely to believe in god.
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/
I definitely think conservatives have the idealistic view because of their religious background. But in the end, it's the same shit, and goes back to your first paragraph.
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Norway28689 Posts
conservatives have an idealistic view of the past, liberals have an idealistic view of the future. 
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That's a better way of what I'm trying to say. Basically preconditions are poison and you should keep an open mind when you disagree with people and learn special unique reasons to hate someone. That's the real special lesson of the us politics thread.
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On May 18 2017 15:52 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +President Donald Trump, amid his own swirling controversies, advised United States Coast Guard Academy graduates that while things aren't always fair, "you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight."
The comment was a clear reference to the fact that Trump's White House is now besieged by bipartisan questions about his alleged request that former FBI Director James Comey to halt an investigation into his former top national security aide.
"Never, never, never give up. Things will work out just fine," he said in New London, Connecticut, Wednesday.
Then, dropping the pretext even more, he bemoaned the media coverage of his presidency.
"Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."
The comment was well received by the pro-Trump crowd. People in "Make America Great Again" hats and Trump shirt applauded as the President slammed succumbing adversity.
"I guess that is why we won," Trump said, a reference to his 2016 election win, something the President often does.
"Adversity makes your stronger," he added. "Don't give in. Don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right. Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy. And the more righteous your fight, the most opposition you will face."
Trump argued that the controversy was something only the media cared about.
"The people understand what I am doing and that is the most important thing," Trump said. "I didn't get elected to serve the Washington media or special interest." CNN
Wrong thread. This is where we complain about xDaunt. The other thread is for complaining about Trump
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On May 18 2017 16:06 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 15:52 Danglars wrote:President Donald Trump, amid his own swirling controversies, advised United States Coast Guard Academy graduates that while things aren't always fair, "you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight."
The comment was a clear reference to the fact that Trump's White House is now besieged by bipartisan questions about his alleged request that former FBI Director James Comey to halt an investigation into his former top national security aide.
"Never, never, never give up. Things will work out just fine," he said in New London, Connecticut, Wednesday.
Then, dropping the pretext even more, he bemoaned the media coverage of his presidency.
"Look at the way I have been treated lately, especially by the media," he said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down, you can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."
The comment was well received by the pro-Trump crowd. People in "Make America Great Again" hats and Trump shirt applauded as the President slammed succumbing adversity.
"I guess that is why we won," Trump said, a reference to his 2016 election win, something the President often does.
"Adversity makes your stronger," he added. "Don't give in. Don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right. Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy. And the more righteous your fight, the most opposition you will face."
Trump argued that the controversy was something only the media cared about.
"The people understand what I am doing and that is the most important thing," Trump said. "I didn't get elected to serve the Washington media or special interest." CNN Wrong thread. This is where we complain about xDaunt. The other thread is for complaining about Trump
You mean beat up on forum political minorities 
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It surprised me that some people continued to be obnoxious despite having a post-election break from the thread. I thought maybe they could step back and relax and regain a mature perspective. But it seems not everyone wants to keep growing. As ShoCkeyy alluded to, people are using the thread as a substitute for therapy, like a coping mechanism. But it's not a good one and it becomes a vicious cycle of people projecting their pent-up feelings, about the world and problems in places they'll never go and leaders they'll never have the chance to meet, onto the only available target, which is peers in this community.
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What happens in us politics stays in us politics
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On May 18 2017 06:07 Sermokala wrote:
I think the obvious answer is that you think less of someone who disagrees with your politics and you don't regognize why that's an issue with your experience in politics
On May 18 2017 14:02 Sermokala wrote:
Basically preconditions are poison.
On May 18 2017 06:07 Sermokala wrote:
My opinion is that right leaning posters tend to be more realistic and practical about society while leftist posters have more idealistic view of society.
Contradictory statements that reveal your own bias.
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On May 19 2017 00:39 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 06:07 Sermokala wrote:
I think the obvious answer is that you think less of someone who disagrees with your politics and you don't regognize why that's an issue with your experience in politics Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 06:07 Sermokala wrote:
My opinion is that right leaning posters tend to be more realistic and practical about society while leftist posters have more idealistic view of society. Contradictory statements that reveal your own bias.
They are contractory? The first two are basically the same point and unless you think being idealistic is a bad thing you wouldn't be a liberal.
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They show that you hold preconceived ideas about liberal's political views, which is basically the same bias you criticized another for. The conservative posters here quite clearly hold the view that liberals' views are to be dismissed.
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I will say that if xDaunt got de-staffed for his posting but KwarK did not, that's pretty clearly unfair. Unless there is a different standard for writers and mods.
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On May 19 2017 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:
They show that you hold preconceived ideas about liberal's political views, which is basically the same bias you criticized another for. The conservative posters here quite clearly hold the view that liberals' views are to be dismissed.
You read them wrong. The first two are about talking to a person in the thread while the second is after the conversation became more generalized about posters. I mean shit what do you think debate is a hand holding echo chamber? Ofc both sides want to dismiss the other.
KwarK is consistent with his posting and if they didn't demo him before they shouldn't do it now. People are whining about nothing.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
Beyond the decision itself, xDaunt seems like the kind of person who would willingly give up his Pen icon to prove a point.
It's not so much that Kwark needs to be destaffed as much as he needs to not be a consistent asshole poisoning the discussion by posting about as well as the kinds of people who generally spend a long time on the banlist.
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the way i see it, xdaunt just kind of insults people while kwark is an ass while posting facts.
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