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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 07 2017 05:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: Legallord, I actually want to state that even though I have admittedly contributed to it, I do think you get too much shit. I think you're a smart, funny guy with an impressive amount of knowledge on a broad spectrum of topics, and I think your russian perspective is valuable. I've called you out more than I've called out far less good posters, part of it is because I think you have the potential to be better, part of it because you for reasons I don't understand seem to squabble with some of the posters I like the most. It definitely does seem that the posters you like the most are often the ones I like the least. It's not lost on me that this has happened multiple times. Thanks though. On June 07 2017 05:35 ticklishmusic wrote: legal is a troll, but he's very rarely personally insulting. plus he's taken a bit more of an anti-trump stance, which admittedly is to my tastes. Trump managed to bomb Syria, fire Comey (who I am pretty fond of), then pull out out of the Paris Accords, all in short order. All are worthy of plenty of flak. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 07 2017 04:51 xDaunt wrote: I actually thought for a bit that TL did something to rein in Kwark. Shame on me. Just when you think the rational mind has won over the shitposting troll deep inside, he spends three pages acting like an inept prosecutor. The case is the figure of Kanye West and tshirts sufficiently muddies the waters of meaning when trying to understand a woman that constantly posts far-left propaganda. Easily switching between insults and hyperliteraliam, he summons up specters of actual skin color terrorism to deflect from casual leftist race-theory tripe (from the thread, not too far off from GH's racial beliefs though exaggerated. PPS: GH knows and comments on the understood sentiment in ways Kwark pretends not to). Usually this kind of juvenile participation is confined to elementary playgrounds. Similar surrounding mob too. | ||
KwarK
United States42009 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States22737 Posts
On June 07 2017 07:21 Danglars wrote: Just when you think the rational mind has won over the shitposting troll deep inside, he spends three pages acting like an inept prosecutor. The case is the figure of Kanye West and tshirts sufficiently muddies the waters of meaning when trying to understand a woman that constantly posts far-left propaganda. Easily switching between insults and hyperliteraliam, he summons up specters of actual skin color terrorism to deflect from casual leftist race-theory tripe (from the thread, not too far off from GH's racial beliefs though exaggerated. PPS: GH knows and comments on the understood sentiment in ways Kwark pretends not to). Usually this kind of juvenile participation is confined to elementary playgrounds. Similar surrounding mob too. You know the main differences between Kwark and you and xDaunt on this is just that he can admit and cope with his role in white supremacy and that he'd vote against it given a convenient chance. You guys refuse to even accept the notion that your behavior plays a role in the perpetuation of white supremacy. It shouldn't be harder for you to see how you guys play a role in that than it is for me to see mine. It's funny you accuse others of playground imitation when it seems to be folks like yourself struggling with the basic premise of taking responsibility for your actions. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 07 2017 07:30 KwarK wrote: Hey Danglars, did you get around to reading anything about the systematic efforts of the reconstruction era south to limit African American access to the ballot box yet? Cause you said you would. Oh it's on the reading list. Rest assured it'll be done by the next time everybody wants to scream "white supremacist" at people in the midterms. You planning on reforming sometime before then? I speak honestly, you used to be a lot of fun before the xDaunt-complex days. | ||
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KwarK
United States42009 Posts
How would you have me reform? Outside of my interactions with xDaunt, how would you prefer I respond to you? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22737 Posts
On June 07 2017 07:45 LegalLord wrote: Congrats on ultralisk status GH! Didn't even notice it was you at first. Ty I had plans for something more epic but you know, shit happens. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2017 07:53 GreenHorizons wrote: Ty I had plans for something more epic but you know, shit happens. The post of legend appears to be you politely explaining white privilege to someone ask questions in good faith. That is top grade posting compared to the other discussions about racism in the politics thread. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 06 2017 10:02 LegalLord wrote: I of course know that there's little point in trying to "convince" you that it was justified - it's pretty clear you've made up your mind there and people rarely change their minds like that - but I thought it worth mentioning more so because of the fact that this quickly devolved into a "bash LL thread" line of discussion - and ignoring that usually doesn't end all that great. I would have rather let it go if it weren't revived by the five or so posts above. The problem with warding, in general, that makes me really strongly disagree with your interpretation of him, is that he tends to have a sort of style in which in response to a longer, more thought out point, he has a way of replying with a "nah, that's wrong, here's how it is, end of story" post, often insisting it is so when people point out evidence to the contrary. Sort of like what's above. It didn't particularly address anything I talked about, it was mostly just a statement of his opinion with a bothersome dismissive tone. I wouldn't say that anything there was particularly unworthy of some light mockery. I get mocked much worse than what I wrote there ten times a day and I wouldn't say I get offended. It is, after all, perfectly valid to call someone out on their BS if it is justified, and nothing there was particularly aggressive. I suppose there was a nicer way to word the response to bio there, I'll give you that. That still wasn't anything particularly bad. And when he said "you don't know anything about me," it's not in the slightest aggressive to ask, "alright, tell me about yourself then." Every post after that, as you acknowledge, is quite aggressive. More aggressive than anything that was actually provoking him there. In the heat of the moment, shit happens, but that was clearly a sign that there was no more productive discussion to be had. So it was time to cut it short. Your main contention seems to be on my statement that warding started it. Would it work better for you if I wrote it as follows? I guess that's more strictly true, but then I wonder why you make a big deal out of a choice of wording. Even though you chose not to focus on it, I think you can at least acknowledge that the direction warding took it after being asked how close he was to SV was a step too far. Now I want a "bash LL thread". Why isn't there a "bash LL thread"? I'd be there all days long. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=7830#156596 | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 10 2017 10:00 IgnE wrote: i am fairly confident that you are mentally ill, slefin: flat affect, lack of empathy, cathexis on insignificant minutiae, pathological avoidance of capital letters, delusions of grandeur. it's all there. maybe you should have a warning label on all your posts User was temp banned for this post. Not quite as fun having it done to you instead of you doing it to Trump lol. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On June 10 2017 14:12 Danglars wrote: Not quite as fun having it done to you instead of you doing it to Trump lol. By becoming a public figure, you open yourself to more criticism. When someone mildly psychically unstable posts on a gaming forum, no harm is done and it's rude to point it out to them, because it serves no purpose but to be an ass. When similarly affected person takes the most powerful job on Earth, it is everyone's issue. | ||
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Introvert
United States4660 Posts
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farvacola
United States18819 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 10 2017 17:58 Introvert wrote: I have to give IgnE credit. I don't know if it was intended, but zlefin's response is basically his posting MO distilled into three short sentences. It's zlefinistic posting defined. your statement here is unsound; i don't appreciate your trolling | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States22737 Posts
On June 10 2017 19:59 farvacola wrote: I noticed the same thing lol, quite the bit of performativity in action Wasn't just me agreeing with Intro then. I agreed with Kristol earlier in the day so I thought I might be hallucinating. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3187 Posts
I do think you seem to cry wolf too much on trolling and actionable posting though. It seems like you have a very different idea than everyone else of what the moderation guidelines should be, but then assume everyone is on the same page as you when you escalate to this thread, which leads people to largely ignore your complaints. In this case it was plainly over the line, but in general I think you would do well to elaborate more clearly what you think the moderation guidelines should be rather than just bringing individual examples most people think are fine and saying "this should be actionable imo." But for the most part, don't sweat the haters | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On June 11 2017 03:01 ChristianS wrote: Fwiw zlefin, I think your posting is underrated. Too many people ITT are either playing creepy manipulative persuasion games or trying to score epic rhetorical takedowns against their debate opponents. For the most part you say what you think and try to be cautious and precise in your opinions, choosing the most accurate wording you can find rather than the most bombastic or persuasive. I do think you seem to cry wolf too much on trolling and actionable posting though. It seems like you have a very different idea than everyone else of what the moderation guidelines should be, but then assume everyone is on the same page as you when you escalate to this thread, which leads people to largely ignore your complaints. In this case it was plainly over the line, but in general I think you would do well to elaborate more clearly what you think the moderation guidelines should be rather than just bringing individual examples most people think are fine and saying "this should be actionable imo." But for the most part, don't sweat the haters You are doing both zlefin and the thread a tremendous disservice by posting this. | ||
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