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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Chaoser: I am unsure if you are still in the running. I liked you as a candidate before. Since my last posts you have been slinging a lot of mud. Also, you edited a post. It may have been a mistake, but it warrants a mention. I am unsure about you. Someone asked another question before this, so I'll answer that as well. I am out of the running, no need to add more fish to the table to choose from. And it's not mud slinging, it's called pressure. Townies and Mafia react in certain ways when placed under pressure that is telling. It's pretty much what the aggressive playstyle is built on. Stir up some trouble, see what pokes its head out. Still sticking with my Prot vote. I think he's worth the trouble he might bring. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh here's just a tip for people: I advise keeping like a spreadsheet/word document and try to keep track of who you think is scum, who defends/attacks who, basically where people stand in the game. He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor. Or a notepad! You too can be a noir detective! | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote: Or a notepad! You too can be a noir detective! I also suggest smoking a cigarette and wearing a trenchcoat during post analysis | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
Protact: Your main points are seemingly valid, but if it comes to the late game, and you've completed your win condition then we will not have a town mayor in a position of safety from which to lynch scum. I do not believe that the other assassins would be gunning for our bodyguards however - I believe they would wait for the bodyguards to be taken out by the mafia, and then go in for the kill. Mafia may even try to discover who the other assassins are, completing the assassin game more quickly and stripping town of their mayor position even more quickly. Too much risk for us in these cases, compared to us having a townie in the position. Massive props for the 10-ton steel balls you had to announce yourself that early on though. I would like to know your position in this case: If you become mayor, and determine the last assassin other than you, would you willingly delay using your last KP on this person? As far as I can see, that would put you at risk of not completing your win condition as mafia + assassin could well take you out if they find out the BGs. We would obviously want you to stay in position as long as possible, not only for the assassin abilities but for the votes the mayoral position has. At what point would your position become untenable and you'd have to kill the last assassin and leave the game? Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Dr. H: As I've mentioned previously, I no longer have a read on you. Your initial post about assassins was great we should help assassins simply so that they do not accidentally kill townies. so if you suspect someone may be an assassin, by all means announce it and give your analysis. if that guides the assassins toward killing eachother instead of us, that's great. you could also analayse someone you believe to be mafia as assassin if you are confident you can goad an assassin into hitting them, that would work as well. but you then became quite aggressive, and seemingly changed your mind about an assassin mayor. I'd like to know why at that point you felt you could no longer trust protact? Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? GMarshall: I think you're green, so most of my questions are to do with your plans as mayor. Why do you believe lynching inactives is a superior choice as opposed to lynching lurker posters? Is it solely a scare tactic to encourage posting, or is there an additional motive behind this? Who would your ideal pick be for a pardoner - suspected green, a roleclaiming blue, or a practically confirmed black? I'm not talking about this game in particular - would like to hear your choices just based on this information. Finally, sorry if I've forgotten to mention a candidate, but two questions to every candidate - Who are the two people you most want to lynch, and who are the two people you are most sure are green? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I also suggest smoking a cigarette and wearing a trenchcoat during post analysis Dude, I listen to the Inception soundtrack when I play mafia. | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:07 Robellicose wrote: Realised I've only really been responding, and haven't put my own thoughts on all the candidates out there, so I'm going to clarify my position on the election race. Protact: Your main points are seemingly valid, but if it comes to the late game, and you've completed your win condition then we will not have a town mayor in a position of safety from which to lynch scum. I do not believe that the other assassins would be gunning for our bodyguards however - I believe they would wait for the bodyguards to be taken out by the mafia, and then go in for the kill. Mafia may even try to discover who the other assassins are, completing the assassin game more quickly and stripping town of their mayor position even more quickly. Too much risk for us in these cases, compared to us having a townie in the position. Massive props for the 10-ton steel balls you had to announce yourself that early on though. I would like to know your position in this case: If you become mayor, and determine the last assassin other than you, would you willingly delay using your last KP on this person? As far as I can see, that would put you at risk of not completing your win condition as mafia + assassin could well take you out if they find out the BGs. We would obviously want you to stay in position as long as possible, not only for the assassin abilities but for the votes the mayoral position has. At what point would your position become untenable and you'd have to kill the last assassin and leave the game? Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Dr. H: As I've mentioned previously, I no longer have a read on you. Your initial post about assassins was great but you then became quite aggressive, and seemingly changed your mind about an assassin mayor. I'd like to know why at that point you felt you could no longer trust protact? Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? GMarshall: I think you're green, so most of my questions are to do with your plans as mayor. Why do you believe lynching inactives is a superior choice as opposed to lynching lurker posters? Is it solely a scare tactic to encourage posting, or is there an additional motive behind this? Who would your ideal pick be for a pardoner - suspected green, a roleclaiming blue, or a practically confirmed black? I'm not talking about this game in particular - would like to hear your choices just based on this information. Finally, sorry if I've forgotten to mention a candidate, but two questions to every candidate - Who are the two people you most want to lynch, and who are the two people you are most sure are green? My mind didn't change on whether or not I trust protactinium, it changed on whether or not he should be mayor. If he is pardoner, this would be absolutely sufficient to fulfill both his needs and our needs while spinning the assassin game to be in our advantage. At first I thought like Jackal, this would guarantee a non-scum mayor and this would basically do away with all the pesky election analysis that wastes time, but the mayor is pretty strong in this game and it's going to be better for town with a green/blue mayor and a black pardoner I think. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Already stated this somewhere, you can go find it. Long story short, I think prot's positives are worth the negatives that he might bring with him. He's a better analyst than GM (no offense!) and he's giving us presents (Two guns and a check?! It must be Christmas) | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote: No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Provide no reasons for thoughts on alignment: Check Confuse plans with alignments: Check You are moving up my scumlist  | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Presenting GMarshal's Lists of Life Medic List - These are players who I see as essential to town success, players I think scum are likely to be trying to kill, since I doubt we have more than three medics I'll make the list contain 5 players, enough to avoid overlap, I also wont be including myself in the hope that I will have a couple of bodyguards covering for me, but otherwise throw me on please. chaoser- it could be that I am just partial to him, but this man has a head on his shoulders, if we can get him into the lategame I would be overjoyed DropBear- the guy is really new and seems to be trying, ideal target for an intelligent mafia to hit redFF- I know he is new, but he has been vocal and trying to get the town to do what he feels is right, scum might feel pressured by his being vocal so giving him a shield is a good idea Tackster- yes, I know he's been quiet, but he was really, really pro-town in Insane 2 starting day 2, so I'm hoping he is just having a delayed start this game Jackal- yes, jackal, he has great endgame play and people dont credit him enough for it, if I get to lylo I want him with me DT List -these are the people I find scummy enough to merit investigation, so please DTs send a check his way and see what they come up. Add me if I'm not elected, really all mayoral candidates need a check Coagulation-He is freaking unreadable, give the man a check Kavdragon- He has some really scummy posts, give him a looksee Dr.H- he is hard to read too as he is an usually aggressive player , likely to be the GF if scum though, so take your results with a grain of slat Pandian- "I'm a DT, Wait, no I'm not!" enough said aidnai- has been lurking I expected more from him, I would like to know his alignment Monster- nothing needs saying (i think he is a better target for trackers though) ON-nothing needs saying Trackers-trackers are special in the sense that they can track scum and not get a result if the scum isnt being sent out to preform the hit. Any inteligent mafia team is going to be sending out its less experienced, and thus less likely to be tracked players to preform the hits, so even if they are tracked they are less of a net loss for the scumteam. So this list contains mostly newbs and inactive players Lemonwalrus M0nsterChef Serejai Mig TranceStorm Eiii Monster Watchers- you guys are like medics who catch scum, so you need to threaten the scum by watching vocal and active players. Look at the medic list and use that | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote: Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician  I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On April 12 2011 01:21 Lanaia wrote: 1. Jackal58 - Very likely town from where I stand. 2. Rean - Part of me believes Rean to be the assassin based solely on his/her few posts inthread. 3. Coagulation - I am fairly certain he is town. 4. GMarshal - He is definitely town. 5. Pandain - I really have no idea what he is. 6. GGQ - Null. 7. OriginalName - Null. 8. Kenpachi - Town. 9. ilovejonn - Null 10.Mr. Wiggles - Null 11.chaoser - Probably town, but not sure. 12.Latrommi - Null 13.kevconsim - It feels like he's playing exactly how he played last game. So, I'm thinking he's scum. 14.Protactinium - Assassin 15.TranceStorm - Null 16.tnkted - I'm about 50-50 here. 17.Eiii - Assassin. 18.urashimakt - Feels town. 19.Lemonwalrus - Null. 20.Milkyst - Not memorable. 21.DropBear - Probably town 22.The_Roist - Probably nottown. 23.kitaman27 - Def town 24.Lanaia - I know I'm town. 25.jaminz - Don't recall any of this person's posts. Either has none or all or unmemorable. 26.DarthThienAn - Null. Hasn't said much. 27.DoctorHelvetica - Seems kinda town. 28.darmousseh - His posts aren't memorable to me.  29.AirbladeOrange - Seems like he's trying to be townable. He's new so it's probably less easy for him to fake that, no? 30.MetalFace - No idea 31.Barundar - Town. 32.Kavdragon - He's town. 33.redFF - Likely town 34.M0nsterChef - I don't know, but he's really not helping his case with what he's done. 35.Serejai - I can't tell if he's a troll or not. I can't tell his alignment given what he's given us. 36.Robellicose - Null. 37.Mig - Null 38.aidnai - Likely town 39.Conversion - Town 40.Tackster - Null LOL thanks for your constructive input. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Come on GM | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote: LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 12 2011 02:31 TranceStorm wrote: So GMarshal, according to your plan, if a detective/tracker/watcher found something suspicious, should they claim it in the thread or keep the information hidden? Since there are roleblockers a detective/tracker/watcher who reveals himself will become useless afterwards. It depends on the nature of the discovery and on the person who makes it, for example if a DT checks a newbie and discovers he is red it should be easy for him to push for the lynch without having to claim, but say someone like ON who already looks bad checks Kav, then if he wants to get him lynched he has no choice but to claim pretty much. Im willing and happy to trade a newb dt for a vet scum. Generally if you discover something press for the lynch and only claim as a last resort Trackers are going to have an interesting time, if they follow someone to a target and the target dies they dont know for sure what is going on. My suggestion is to hold on to that information and follow the target again, if people who he visits keep dying then you know he is scum. Again I'm rellying on the persons discretion and ability to notice patterns, a tracker is a harder role to use, but it provides more reliable information and can potentially unmask the godfather Watchers like trackers have a hard time if 7 people visit your target one night, and the target dies then claiming will probably expose a few blues, which would be bad, ideally the watcher watches a hit where only scum hits someone and then has to act like a dt, weight his possibilities of getting the target lynched without claiming. Again this is up to the players discretion, its a judgment call, he has to weigh whether he is outing any blues with his claim and whether its worth the sacrifice. As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. | ||
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