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On April 12 2011 02:13 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote:On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote:Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote:
I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
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##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Provide no reasons for thoughts on alignment: Check Confuse plans with alignments: Check You are moving up my scumlist 
I usually don't answer stuff like this because it's just trying to get people to react in a certain manner etc, but day 1 is always speculative. The only things we can go off so far is prot claiming. The other million posts in the thread are just useless "Lynch all lairs, lynch/dont lynch inactices, lynch lurkers" fluff which ver already wrote a good thread about and trying to argue whether it's good or not for a non town-aligned player to have a town favorable role (mayor) which is obviously idiotic without having to even argue against it. There are 2 types of people on day 1, spammers and lurkers. If you aren't spamming then, "omg you are a lurker you scum". I find that this analysis is usually wrong. Good scum will play the same as they normally do when they are scum or town, but it's the little things (like the words themselves) which give an indication whether a person is trying to act intentionally or just aggressively. This is why I believe that Kav is black, his posts seem "forced", but not forced enough when he was scum and he is playing safe, which is why I think he is black.
I've been scum and town with kav before in the past and my read on him is based on those past games and while I think gmarshal is town, I think DrH is more town and is better suited for mayor at this point. I was a little weary of DrH only because he didn't believe me when I came up with a plan in mini-mafia (which ended up partially costing the game), but that is the past and I think he is a good person to lead town. Either him or gmarshal would be good candidates, going with DrH based on gut.
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On April 12 2011 02:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
My mind didn't change on whether or not I trust protactinium, it changed on whether or not he should be mayor. If he is pardoner, this would be absolutely sufficient to fulfill both his needs and our needs while spinning the assassin game to be in our advantage. At first I thought like Jackal, this would guarantee a non-scum mayor and this would basically do away with all the pesky election analysis that wastes time, but the mayor is pretty strong in this game and it's going to be better for town with a green/blue mayor and a black pardoner I think.
Fair enough. Solid explanation.
On April 12 2011 02:11 chaoser wrote:
Already stated this somewhere, you can go find it. Long story short, I think prot's positives are worth the negatives that he might bring with him. He's a better analyst than GM (no offense!) and he's giving us presents (Two guns and a check?! It must be Christmas)
Sorry. Must have missed the post on my previous read throughs. Am satisfied with the reasons for your choice.
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On April 12 2011 02:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote:
Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician  I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me.
Chaoser retracted his candidacy fairly early, and I've been getting a fairly steady town read off of him, you were also the first person to run for pardoner which suggests to me that you realized its power pretty much off the bat, both chaoser and I thought that what pardoning did was get the second highest vote count player lynched, as opposed to just ending the day.
Also you neglect the rest of my post, what do you think about the medic and DT lists?
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On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote:On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it?
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OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way.
If you keep posting like this I'll retract everything I've said about you. Finally, a post with content that gives a good example for the newbies!
But you're wrong. You have accused me of being scum several times, sheeping off protract. Several of your other 'gut' accusations have been people who disagreed with you.
Responding to protracts absolutely stupid list of scum/people who disagreed with his plan:
On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
tnkted is assassin probably
kavdragon/mib are mafia
gmarshal is probably town imo
Responding to me immediately afterwards:
On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment
Lets look at your scum list. MiB made one newbie post and you immediately jumped on him and started tunnelling. Jackal has been playing this game precicely the same as he has last time, with short contentless posts talking about how much he hates scum, etc, interspaced with witty play on words and condescending nicknames. He was green last time. Ironically, you started thinking he was scum immediately after arguing with him over... what exactly?
Aidnai I haven't analyzed very much, so you may be right about him. You've been tunnelling kav since the beginning of the game with no evidence, purely because he wanted to be mayor. Either give solid reasons, with quotes, for all of those people (including myself) or stop throwing around stupid accusations. Personally I think you've missed all of the real mafia in this thread. I'll be posting my own list later when I'm not in class (ie, like 9 or 10 CST tonight) and not one person on my list is on yours.
Disregarding all of that for a moment, I hope you keep posting like this because this is the sort of example we need to give newbies.
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I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities.
I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious?
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On April 12 2011 02:48 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote:
So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right?
Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play.
Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies!
This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote:On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote:
If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it?
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OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. If you keep posting like this I'll retract everything I've said about you. Finally, a post with content that gives a good example for the newbies! But you're wrong. You have accused me of being scum several times, sheeping off protract. Several of your other 'gut' accusations have been people who disagreed with you. Responding to protracts absolutely stupid list of scum/people who disagreed with his plan: Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
tnkted is assassin probably
kavdragon/mib are mafia
gmarshal is probably town imo Responding to me immediately afterwards: Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now
i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is:
kavdragon
mib
aidnai
jackal58
and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment Lets look at your scum list. MiB made one newbie post and you immediately jumped on him and started tunnelling. Jackal has been playing this game precicely the same as he has last time, with short contentless posts talking about how much he hates scum, etc, interspaced with witty play on words and condescending nicknames. He was green last time. Ironically, you started thinking he was scum immediately after arguing with him over... what exactly?Aidnai I haven't analyzed very much, so you may be right about him. You've been tunnelling kav since the beginning of the game with no evidence, purely because he wanted to be mayor. Either give solid reasons, with quotes, for all of those people (including myself) or stop throwing around stupid accusations. Personally I think you've missed all of the real mafia in this thread. I'll be posting my own list later when I'm not in class (ie, like 9 or 10 CST tonight) and not one person on my list is on yours. Disregarding all of that for a moment, I hope you keep posting like this because this is the sort of example we need to give newbies.
That list was an old gut list mostly meant to see if i could provoke a reaction out of jackal/aidnai. So it was a failure. If I seriously suspect someone, I'll make a case. Sometimes I like to FoS people just to see how they respond or how others respond.
Anyway assassins ! = scum. By scum I mean mafia. If you're an assassin, I don't particularly care.
Tunneling is not a bad thing. Tunneling is exactly how you should scumhunt. Focus down on one person, pressure them hard, force them to defend themselves until you're either more sure they are mafia or are satisfied. MiB's defense has neutered my suspicions slightly, but he's on my shitlist for sure.
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On April 12 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:36 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote:
Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me. Chaoser retracted his candidacy fairly early, and I've been getting a fairly steady town read off of him, you were also the first person to run for pardoner which suggests to me that you realized its power pretty much off the bat, both chaoser and I thought that what pardoning did was get the second highest vote count player lynched, as opposed to just ending the day. Also you neglect the rest of my post, what do you think about the medic and DT lists?
do you have a good reason for kitaman27 being scum other than "he ran for pardoner"?
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On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list.
Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet?
And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
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gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him?
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or?
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On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I agree. I'm getting the vibe that he's gonna be that mafia maverick type, the guy on the scumteam who calls out his buddies and kinda plays lone wolf. I usually like to take that role, I know it well. But he's made a lot of good points so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Yes, Vig Kita, I'm also thinking about having the pardoner lynched immediately upon seizing power, depending on who landed the role, since it is a free extra night for the scum, no amount of stopping bandwagons is worth giving the scum a free night of kills. I'm still toying with the idea, as it really depends on who lands the role.
Onto what makes me suspicious of Kita, Dr.H calls him out on it quite early, kita makes some very general remarks on the mayorship "scum might run", "mayor is powerful", etc. He then starts tunneling on Dr.H insisting he is scum
On April 11 2011 06:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:37 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 06:34 AirbladeOrange wrote:On April 11 2011 06:32 redFF wrote:
We need people who are obviously not going to be elected to either do a large post to cement their bid for mayor with solid reasoning or to withdraw their bids. It seems like the only people have have a chance at winning all fit this description. Do you care to call anyone out or elaborate your thoughts? It's more for later on in the mayoral race when there are people who still only have 1-2 votes. Kitaman hasn't really had any strong support so far and i haven't really see him argue for his candidacy. I'll happily argue anything you want for my candidacy. The fact that I'm not getting support shows that the mafia has no interest in backing me. Why would they want someone who is pro-town, when they could elect an assasson or someone like DrH who is always the center of attention. To summarize campaign for pardoner so far:-We should prioritize pro-towness as our biggest reason for voting for mayor. -I consider myself a pro-town player. With the exception of my single scum game, there have been more than a couple votes against me over a 10+ game period. When I'm town, I'm almost never in the lynch discussion and that's something you want with your elected officials. In addition, I'm not afraid to speak my mind and I've proved from past games that I'm not one to suddenly go inactive for days at a time. -I will argue to sway the lynch against innocents so a pardon is not even necessary. I will only use my pardon in obvious bandwagon situations. I do not believe the pardon should be used on a whim, as we valuable information to analyze. -I am completely against an assassin in office. The fact that everyone thinks we can manipulate an experienced veteran to do our bidding is not well thought out. He does not have the town's interests at mind and should not be elected. He is getting far too much support, which should concern everyone. -I've been backed by GMarshal as his running mate, the person who has received the most votes to this point.
His point that he has no backing for mayor is... lacking... if he is in communication with a scumteam then he can happily make them wait to vote to emphasize this point. Point 2 is decent, but I generally frown on too much focus on the meta. Point three is laughable, all pro-town players will argue against lynching innocents, and here he still maintains he might use the pardon as long as its "no on a whim". His final two points are irrelevant.
So basically he is running on a campaign made of fluff trying to grab a power role, and saying he might make use of it. If he had said he was going to categorically not use it I'd be happier, but it seems that as the thread progresses he is warming up to using it
Every other one of his posts is against the assassin getting elected into office, which is curious to say the least. I agree with his stance on that but he seems deadset against it, dedicating almost all his effort to stopping his election
Theres something off about kita and his attitude towards wanting to get the pardon worries me
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On April 12 2011 03:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him?
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or?
Pandian should be vigied too, I assumed that was factored in everyones calculations by now, the only reason why we *might* keep him around is if his blue claim held true, I mentioned I subscribe to LaL, by my account pandian should die too
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On April 12 2011 03:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him?
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or? Pandian should be vigied too, I assumed that was factored in everyones calculations by now, the only reason why we *might* keep him around is if his blue claim held true, I mentioned I subscribe to LaL, by my account pandian should die too
Well at least you're keeping consistency. I'd like to see Protact kill Pandain or Kavdragon on Night 2, but I think we should wait for Day 2 to resolve itself before plans are made for the second night, yeah?
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On April 12 2011 02:48 tnkted wrote: Jackal has been playing this game precicely the same as he has last time, with short contentless posts talking about how much he hates scum, etc, interspaced with witty play on words and condescending nicknames. He was green last time. Ironically, you started thinking he was scum immediately after arguing with him over... what exactly?
Well Twinkles you must have missed my posts regarding my support of Proact. About 5 or 6 of them.
They all probably contained - hell I don't know - 7 or 8 sentences each. Gasp. Maybe more. And if DocH really thought I was scummy he'd still have his nose so far up my ass he'd be able to see what I had for lunch. He does much the same thing I do. Throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.
That is the way Doc plays. Sometimes he goes a little over the top. As long as he's town I don't really care.
Missed ya sweetheart.
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On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I thought Tack played a really, really solid game in Insane 2 and I'm kind of banking on him doing what he did there and showing up with a massive pro-town post before the day ends.
Is there anyone else you'd like to see included in the list? Anyone who you think is on one of the other lists who dosn't merit it?
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As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list.
My problem with it is you list a bunch of players, who are very unlikely to get targeted unless they spilled their role. Mafia hit priority is people who can sway town opinion against them first and foremost, and secondly blue sniping. Inactives aren't going to sway anyone. A bunch of the players you have on the list are not likely to get targeted by mafia, simply because they aren't that active.
I do like that you want to use the list as a discussion point, it's exactly the kind of pro town play I would expect from you, but you didn't bring it up like the list was for discussion - I thought it was part of your campaign, and on that side of things I'm much more interested in hearing some names for your lynch if you get elected, than how you will lead the town after you have been elected.
I do think it is a good idea to get some idea about who the candidates find are scummy and who they think are town, and medic/dt lists are a great tool for that.
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Hmmm, that's a good point...pardoner is just a prince of darkness...good catch GM. That means red in any type of elected position is powerful. Which means there's DEFINITELY a red run campaign out there.
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On April 12 2011 03:20 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. My problem with it is you list a bunch of players, who are very unlikely to get targeted unless they spilled their role. Mafia hit priority is people who can sway town opinion against them first and foremost, and secondly blue sniping. Inactives aren't going to sway anyone. A bunch of the players you have on the list are not likely to get targeted by mafia, simply because they aren't that active. I do like that you want to use the list as a discussion point, it's exactly the kind of pro town play I would expect from you, but you didn't bring it up like the list was for discussion - I thought it was part of your campaign, and on that side of things I'm much more interested in hearing some names for your lynch if you get elected, than how you will lead the town after you have been elected. I do think it is a good idea to get some idea about who the candidates find are scummy and who they think are town, and medic/dt lists are a great tool for that.
The complaint against my medic list is fair, I put those players on there that from my perspective looked like town and thus were likely to be targeted by scum. The only exception is Tack (See my reply to Jackal). The issue with many of the players who currently hold "town influence" is that they could easily be scum, thats why they are on my DT list. I was considering including some of them on both lists, but I thought this would generate more discussion.
So, who would you place on the medic list? and why?
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On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice:
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum.
Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue)
Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum.
Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit.
I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities.
I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious?
how about we dont have a list
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On April 12 2011 03:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote:On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I thought Tack played a really, really solid game in Insane 2 and I'm kind of banking on him doing what he did there and showing up with a massive pro-town post before the day ends. Is there anyone else you'd like to see included in the list? Anyone who you think is on one of the other lists who dosn't merit it?
I'll be honest with ya man. This is day 1. If you want me to put together a list of who I would like to see at endgame I can do that. Unfortunately probably half of them will be scum. You really called it though. I'm much better at this game after day 2 or 3 than I am at the beginning. But I just don't understand how you can say "Tack played well last game so I hope he does again this game"
I agree 100% with you that he played well. Hell I should be more aware of that than anybody. I got him lynched. But that doesn't mean he's town in this game. I have seen nothing from him to evaluate or analyze. Wanting him to have medic protection with the info you have either means you're naive or you know his alignment. And there is only one way you could know his alignment.
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