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So its 6 P.M right now and im posting this because im am unsure of and want everyone to be aware of this i played someone on ladder today in zerg vs zerg matchup and it just doesnt add up ive watched the replay and have had many other higher tier players watch this replay and they have the same feelings i do, the game opened my opponent FE on cross position on shattered temple so i figure i would try to baneling his min lines to put him behind becasue i was unable to expo at that time, but the weird thing of it is he was always one step ahead i had baneling morphing he was getting roaches banelings coming he had his min lines blocked off with 3 evo chambers before he scouted or had even seen what i had in mind it wasnt so much that he did these things its just the timings he did. if you choose to watch the replay keep in mind of whats going on at what time banelings morphing, players cam and vision etc.... so once that bainling pressure had failed we had one engagement at my base this is the tickle, he operated at 40 apm the entire game engagement happens with me being higher tech and higher upgrades better concave with spines he all of a sudden has steady 698 apm with micro like no other while building units in a steady compsure and crushes me. if anyone has any idea of how to this happened or is aware of how to do this please respond it just didnt seem natural = / please educate me on this.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/160314-1v1-zerg-gutterhulk
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ive been hearing rumours about jaedong trying sc2 in his spare time i didn't believe it .....................
........... until now . yes it does look abit dodgy to me
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first off this is the wrong forum for hacking posts (there is a thread for it search "tl hacker database" i'm too lazy to link you to it) 2nd, why were you playing 1v1 on gutterhulk-- a 2v2 map? 3rd, did you register an account to just make this post?
lastly, since you got 3 strikes from me I'm simply not going to look at the replay, however, that is odd he went from 40apm to 700, however, quite hillarious nonetheless.
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ive put the inside sc2gears and it looked pretty dodgy. his apm was 150 at best below 12 minute mark and suddenly shoots up to 1k and maintaining at 500-600. His actions in sc2gears are very-very spesific and multitasking really2 well. He did like 30 actions per second according to sc2gears. no human can possibly do that.
might check the replay later for confirmation.
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WTF!?!?! Holy shit that is the most insane thing I have ever seen. He has 1 control group for all of his roaches, he has all of them highlighted/selected and out of nowhere BAM, any Roach that got into red was immediately burrowed while he still has the entire control group selected. How the hell is that even possible?
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It is humanly impossible to micro correctly with 500+ apm, because you will actually hurt yourself more than anything, the fact that he did well in the fight is enough to prove that he was a cheater.
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I watched the replay and I too am perplexed. If he was map hacking, he never looked into blank space (ie over your base to see through the fog) and he also did scout and never just moved to your exact spawn location so the normal signs of map hacking aren't there. But the 3 evo chambers is REALLY weird. Perhaps he just always assumes bling play in zvz and just always does it? I don't know but I don't think the map hacking can't be confirmed.
The sudden apm spike is really weird to me and I can't for the life of me figure out what happened. I am just as confused about this as you OP.
edit - Just watched again and noticed his queen in the main NEVER missed an injection and never go over 26 energy all game (usually perfect on 25) expect early game when he used it to kill banes. Freaking unbelievable!
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it seems pretty obvious hacks to me, simply because that was a 100% flawless drone split :D.
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I think Jaedong practicing SC2 has some credibility.
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It's like whenever a Roach got into the Orange/Red health line it auto burrowed somehow. If you watch the replay closely almost every roach that dies is being killed mid-burrow animation.
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On April 07 2011 07:44 Roggay wrote: It is humanly impossible to micro correctly with 500+ apm, because you will actually hurt yourself more than anything, the fact that he did well in the fight is enough to prove that he was a cheater. yes you're right, july was never clocked at 900 apm while playing broodwar. you sir are right. And i mean, all the people you see with 350 constant apm in sc2 don't really have 350 x 4 = 1400/3 = 470ish REAL apm.
lol are you trolling or so oblivious and ignorant its not even funny?
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He actually micros those roaches so fast that the circle around them doesn't appear while burrowing them... But yer he doesn't look at any blank space(except when he's sending the roaches infront of your nat), amd yer this is in the least very dubious...
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Watching replay, I'll pop back to this post and document some times where he does something suspicious.
Start-flawless 3-3 drone split 8:30-injects larvae without selecting queen, or selecting it too quickly for the replay to handle. In fact, he does this throughout the game, with the queens hotkey'd to 9 and 0, as if he just needed them hotkey'd somewhere so a program could inject for him 16:50-looks around at places through the fog without action (The high ground third, and his opponent's high ground third far rocks) 18:00-well, the aforementioned god micro. He has all roaches selected throughout the fight yet as soon as a roach reaches red it not only burrows but also moves backwards. Just look at that controll group 1 syndrome! he has burrowed roaches engaging a spinecrawler at one point along side the rest of his army.
As for the theory that this is a Jaedong smurf or something...well just look at all the fundamental mistakes he makes. Namely the camera, I don't think in a single point in the game does he snap the camera using f1 or a hotkey, he scrolls the entire time. No sc1 pro would do this.
What bewilders me is how difficult this kind of program would be to write. That's something often forgotten about some of the ridiculous hack claims, someone had to write this program and get it into the sc2 files without the game reading it as an unknown version. That being said, this is not natural.
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Julyzerg smurf account???
lol
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700 APM roach micro, FTW.
I don't know what to think other than he's doing something very, very quickly... never seen APM that high consistantly.
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It seems like it is some kind of insane AI playing. He even injects without looking at his base, doesn't he?
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There is a project making a programmed AI using directly Direct x 3d pipeline to detect units/ everything on the screen. This seems to be a very elaborate version of some kind of programmed AI. Didn't watch the replay but what your discribing seems like framelike command precision. It could be considered a 'hack'. But this seems to not be a ladder game. The creator might just want to try it on some humans while not messing with the ladder. I'm certainly more impressed than upset by this 'hack'
edit: w00t post 1000
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His selection doesn't even seem to change. He has his larva selected and is making more roaches and then seemingly his roaches burrow themselves as they drop to red health and he continues making roaches with the same selection which is pretty close to reasonably impossible. Look at 17:40-17:44.
Looks fishy at least. Am I seeing it right?
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Interesting.
He was clearly maphacking, and looked like he had some third party program doing burrow/unburrow on every single roach that went down to red health.
good find
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