EPTStork imba though, well played.
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kuroshiroi
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Stork imba though, well played. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:33 baubo wrote: Personally, I think Stork's build is a reaction to Jaedong's build. When Stork saw fast 4th, he knew Jaedong had no units. So he basically filled his entire tech tree before making units. In essences, it was ultra-fast tech > ultra-fast expansion. And I believe Stork hit the perfect timing window right before Jaedong's macro was up. Even if that were the case, the point still is that JD knew the gate count + saw all those zealots defending Stork's 3rd (before he moved out) and still chose to drone up instead of making units. Greed pure and simple. | ||
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Craton
United States17202 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CGKOt.gif) DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! ♥ It only took him how many critical loses? -_- | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10340 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:36 Craton wrote: DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! <3 It only took him how many critical loses? -_- Wonder if he'll remember to make two vs  Modesty... | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:36 Craton wrote: DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! <3 It only took him how many critical loses? -_- lol So true  | ||
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Craton
United States17202 Posts
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underxb
Bahrain100 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:38 Craton wrote: Oh yeah, call Comcast and complain about my cable (TV & Internet) dying several times. They must be throttling. | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
Why the heck is JD still losing to Stork/Bisu? If this happens, I worry about his chances in MSL, assuming he gets past Midas tomorrow.... What happened to your ZvP, Jaedong? =( | ||
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Ideas
United States8037 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:36 Craton wrote: DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! ♥ It only took him how many critical loses? -_- So the record between Stork vs Jaedong's now this? With 2 cannons: 3-0 With 1 cannon: 0-3 ?? | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3. Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote: Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork. Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3. Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. Yeah, it seems like the passive super-greedy style only works when the toss doesn't really know what he's doing (like Calm vs. Jangbi from the other day). But I think Bisu and Stork are good enough to penetrate the defense, and I think JD realizes that now. I'm positive that if JD meets Stork in the MSL he won't try this shit again. | ||
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FakePlasticLove
United States357 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:48 DarkMatter_ wrote: Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork. Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3. Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. That was against Free. Then in the 3rd game he got rolled by 20 archons and 10 reavers in the epic pvz where he simply turtled and tried to get to hive tech. | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote: Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork. Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3. Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? | ||
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? I think part of the problem is that ZvP hasn't been pushed the same way as his ZvT. Apart from that Bo5 against Stork, Jaedong has had little reason to worry about his ZvP. He occasionally might run into Stork/Bisu in proleague but he's been taking a fairly complacent approach to those games, just doing the same stuff he does against any random toss. On the other hand, in the case of his ZvT, he's constantly had to Flash/Light/Sea in Bo5s/Bo3s. I think the fact that he might face Bisu or Stork in a Bo5 combined with the fact that he doesn't have to worry about Flash this season might make him put a lot of effort into addressing the problems with his ZvP. | ||
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e_i_pi_1_0
933 Posts
On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote: Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote: Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Well we can't know if it's just JD's PvZ in general or he hasn't worked out his timings on that map yet. Maybe he needs to rely less on the sim city and try to get those lurkers out a little faster. The way that map is built sort of seduces you to take the fast fourth cause you think you can defend the choke, but we see what happens. Either way JD's PvZ will be put to the test in MSL soon enough and we will see. | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
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