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Lightwip
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On January 12 2011 22:17 darktreb wrote: Stork's ability to play Jaedong consistently well over the years is one of the more remarkable things about him, especially when you consider how erratic his PvZ has been historically. Only in the past year or so did he even really reach the level where you can feel like he's a comfortable favorite against a mediocre Zerg that he's way better than. I actually think he's gonna crush Modesty, when 2+ years ago that would have been one of those potentially a nightmare matchups for him. On the other hand, Stork vs Flash lifetime record is one of the most misleading ones out there. Stork went 5-0 against Flash in their first five games (in Flash's first two Starleague seasons as a pro) and since then Flash has consistently owned him. Yeah Stork has a few wins here and there but I can't even remember the last time Stork beat Flash on a map that wasn't great for PvT. cant but agree, well I guess, what we have here is just maybe an interesting clash of personalities. It just happens so , that Stork feels himself confident against JD, when loosing badly to Shine. Dunno, but I always had that eerie feeling of failure, whenever JD was playing Stork. Anyway I wish Stork luck, I still think he deserves titles more than some Bisu. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
Killer went with d. | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On January 12 2011 15:35 Q.E.D. wrote: it was the same shit he did against stats.. going for mass ultras off fast 4 base and building as little troops as possible before that. if stork had waited a bit longer before attack he wouldve been crushed by it too. And i hate to say it but jd has been teaching the same shitty build to other Zs in the team and they crumbled in the same manner,,Part of me thinks JD is up to something with this build. He purposely used it vs top toss. For sure Aztec is too small to expect to cover a lot of pressure even as a zerg. Notice how he got to hive before lurkers. Maybe some ultra play timing? Im not sure. Also, perhaps he was half expecting sair reaver, but SBG went ground heavy! Well for JD better experiment now than in the MSL! SBG so owns JD though when he is rolling! | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
Killer had a big advantage when he got the lings into Storks base and followed it up with the Hydras forcing Stork to make a lot of cannons at his natural. I'm wondering: Why didn't Killer take a 4th (and maybe 5th) base? Instead he decided to be aggressive off of 3 bases, like he did vs. Jangbi, only Stork defended it a lot better (and the map design made it harder to create a good arch for the Hydras) and once Stork had his third up there wasn't much Killer could do. I guess running the Mutas into cannons didn't help much either. Confusing decision making by Killer. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 12 2011 18:08 crazeh wrote: after viewing his matches against bisu and stork it's clear that Jaedong's ZvP is currently pathetic. Obviously 2games against some of the best PvZers in the scene explain everything. Right. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On January 13 2011 04:47 Emon_ wrote: Regarding the Stork vs. Killer game Killer had a big advantage when he got the lings into Storks base and followed it up with the Hydras forcing Stork to make a lot of cannons at his natural. I'm wondering: Why didn't Killer take a 4th (and maybe 5th) base? Instead he decided to be aggressive off of 3 bases, like he did vs. Jangbi, only Stork defended it a lot better (and the map design made it harder to create a good arch for the Hydras) and once Stork had his third up there wasn't much Killer could do. I guess running the Mutas into cannons didn't help much either. Confusing decision making by Killer. Killer was not at an advantage. From what I remember the lings didn't really do that much damage and Stork still had a good amount of probes. Killer cut drones to get all those mutas and hydras that fast, and Stork knew if he held it off he would end up with a nice beefy Protoss ball and a better econ. That's the reason for the cannons - all Stork had to do at that point was not die. If Killer had backed off after that and expanded Stork would have a way better econ while the fourth was making and make a huge army and roll the zerg's weak units easily. Trying to set up a lurker contain and snipe obs and expand was useless cause Killer already committed to hydras AND mutas. His timing and strategy in general was all off for that kind of play. That's just my impression from what I remember so correct me if I'm way off here. | ||
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
On January 13 2011 05:24 koreasilver wrote: Obviously 2games against some of the best PvZers in the scene explain everything. Right. it just doesnt feel right seeing jaedong lose 2 ZvPs in a row! it just doesnt! | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On January 13 2011 06:54 Slow Motion wrote: Killer was not at an advantage. From what I remember the lings didn't really do that much damage and Stork still had a good amount of probes. Killer cut drones to get all those mutas and hydras that fast, and Stork knew if he held it off he would end up with a nice beefy Protoss ball and a better econ. That's the reason for the cannons - all Stork had to do at that point was not die. If Killer had backed off after that and expanded Stork would have a way better econ while the fourth was making and make a huge army and roll the zerg's weak units easily. Trying to set up a lurker contain and snipe obs and expand was useless cause Killer already committed to hydras AND mutas. His timing and strategy in general was all off for that kind of play. That's just my impression from what I remember so correct me if I'm way off here. Stork built 8 cannons in his front before he moved out, that's an extra 1200 minerals in static defenses. I'm pretty sure killer could've squeezed out at least 1-2 rounds of drones if he didn't insist on attenpting to attack or engage at Stork's front. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
I just watched the games on Moktira, unspoiled. He isn't even playing that flawless or brilliantly, he just seems to make every important decision right. When to attack, when to turtle or when to expand. When to play safe or when to risk something. All his experience plus a strategic sense and good maps do that. Though I think on the long run JD and Flash will be on the top again, atm Stork is #1 | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4748 Posts
So when Stork moved out with his giant deathball off two bases, Jaedong has barely 3 control groups of hydras and 1-2 control groups of scourges, what the hell? That was not even remotely enough units to deal with that push, even if the mutas hatched 15 seconds earlier. This hive-rushing with minimal defences got dismantled badly and rightfully so. Hopefully Jaedong adapts to this beating. Stork executed everything flawlessly here, he looks extremely scary. It's a joy to wach him play right now. | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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Spica
United States5582 Posts
Too bad Jangbi lost his game though, to Killer of all players... Ah well, that future all-kill will come sooner or later for you, I'm sure.  Jangbi I believe!!  | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:06 Weasel- wrote: Not to mention those 30 mutas he threw away over the course of the game. Haha, yeah, I nearly forgot that, but now that I remembered, these were probably the biggest WTF head into a wall moments in the last months. He knew about Stork's NINE cannons at his natural so he wouldn't go there with Mutas only to try and snipe a few Templars? Ok, he did it, but wrong decisions can happen and anyone in his right mind would have learned his lesson, so nothing big. But not Killer, he did it again. This was so unbelievable for me. What a way to throw away an advantage. And then he does it a THIRD time... I am still flabbergasted... I mean, even if he DID get 4-5 HT's with his Mutas (which is unlikely given the amount of cannons and Goons), these Templars couldn't have done more damage to the Hydras with their Storms than those Mutas costed anyway. I think in testing the opponent didnt have 9 cannons there and he completely and utterly failed at adapting his strategy. | ||
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