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+ Show Spoiler [Winner Interviews] +On January 12 2011 16:34 OpticalShot wrote:Winners: KHANYESYESYESYES -----  oDin: "Samsung Zerg Hwaiting!" oDin cracked a genuine smile after winning his first game in almost a year. As the team's captain, his primary role was to lead the team behind the scenes. When he won his game today, a heart-warming scene occurred as his teammates celebrated their captain's win. oDin added, "I wanted to show that I'm still an able player and this win today motivates me to win another." Q & A: Q: This was your first win in 305 days. A: First of all, I haven't been this happy in a long while. I started more intense practice for the purpose of playing a televised match, and I told Coach January that I wanted to play soon. I think I was ready to play a couple matches back, but I hurt my index finger so I had trouble clicking with the mouse. I've recovered now and today I was finally able to achieve a win! Q: Many fans were anxious for your appearance. What's been up lately for you? A: It's no surprise that I haven't been able to appear in televised matches. I keep failing in the preliminaries for individual leagues and the team's rookies have been playing well lately, earning their SPL appearances. I accept that as just a natural process. Still, as a progamer myself, I wanted to play in SPL sometime soon and that motivated me to practice more intensely. When I was selected to play first in today's match, I practiced until 4AM. Q: It must have been hard times. A: Sometimes I wondered about the reason why I am still in this team (as a captain). A couple days ago I read an article from MBCGame that dubbed me as "Coach Joo." [T/N: oDin's name is Joo Young Dal] Initially I laughed it off, but that name never left my head and bothered me since. I wanted to show everyone that I'm still an able player. Q: Did today's game go as you planned? A: I played fairly well in the first set, but I got too confident too quickly in the second set. Since I haven't played for a long time, my lack of multitasking skill pulled me down. Q: Coach January was ecstatic about your win. A: She complimented me on the set 1 win, but she thought I could have had the second set too. I'm very thankful for her trust and confidence in me. Hopefully I will get more opportunities in the future to repay her kindness with wins. I'm also born in the year of the rabbit [T/N: 2011 is also year of the rabbit], so maybe this year will be a good one for me. Q: Samsung rookies are continuing to play well. A: I think that's something that makes a captain very proud. Still, I want to compete against them for SPL appearances - I think this will motivate all of us to improve together. Q: Now that you're one year older... A: I considered both going to the military and becoming a coach, but Coach January and other staff advised me to "play your heart out as a progamer so that you can move on later without any regrets." I will cherish their words in my heart and keep my passion strong! Q: Any goals in the future? A: I want to contribute more than just leadership and teamwork - I want to win. Beyond that, I want people to remember that oDin is an integral part of the Samsung Zerg line. Q: Last words? A: Our Protoss players helped me tirelessly in practice. I can't express in words how much time and effort they dedicated for me, so thanks guys. Also, we have a very bright player in hOpe but he hasn't quite seen the light yet so I see that he's disappointed in himself often. I want to say that he'll develop into a great player if he keeps up his efforts. Look, even I won a game (laughs). Samsung Zerg Hwaiting!!! -----  Stork: "I'm disappointed about the vuvuzela ban." Winner's League opened with a bang: TaekLeeSsang [T/N: for those new to BW, that refers to Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash] each achieved 3-kill or better to carry their respective teams into a good start. Today, Stork completed the TaekBangLeeSsang combo with his own 3-kill performance against Hwaseung Oz. It's been rare that all four of those players were playing well at the same time, so this SWL is already drawing a lot of extra attention. Of the TaekBangLeeSsang, Stork has been perhaps the least glorified one in the past. Now, Stork seems to be shining above the rest as he continues to light every Protoss fans' hearts aflame every game. Many have agreed that Stork has reached a second career prime. E-sports couldn't be any hotter right now, thanks to Stork's dominance. Q & A: Q: You achieved a 3-kill today. A: I was skeptical about closing out today's match because the last set was against Jaedong, but I'm very happy that I won. Whether it's an all-kill or 3-kill, it's the same for the team if you lead your team into victory, so I am completely satisfied. Q: It looked like your hands loosened up as you progressed through the three sets. A: The set against Killer was the most difficult. My confidence was high because I think Bloody Ridge is a good map for PvZ, but Killer attacked relentlessly and I got shaken up. When I was forced to cancel my nexus in the mineral-only expansion, I thought I would mine out and lose so I squeezed everything together for a final push. I'm glad it worked. Against Princess, I decided to use the reaver+dragoon combination. That combination works well once you start riding on an advantage. I kept a keen eye for that opening, and the reavers delivered. Q: Reavers were awesome. A: I just refill the scarabs non-stop so I couldn't check the kill count myself. I'll be extra proud of myself when I check the VODs later and check the kill counts. Q: You're a dominating force lately. A: TaekLeeSsang have already achieved 20+ wins SPL. I'm only at 16 now. Our team's recent performance may have augmented my pace as well, but I have still have a lot of ground to make up. I'll accept your compliment after I reach higher places in the current individual leagues. Q: You've been using reavers a lot lately. Did you suddenly find some love for reavers? A: Against Killer, I had no choice but to use reavers for defensive measures. Other games, I used the builds that I prepared for OSL semi-finals. I don't think I should hold back from using viable builds in SPL just because of OSL (laughs). In PvZ, reavers are kind of risky to use early, but in PvT, reavers are rather standard and they add stability to mid-game transition times. Q: Your reaver control is truly exceptional. A: Reavers are actually harder to use in televised matches (because of the risks involved). Once the reavers go down, the game turns grim. I pay extra attention to reavers in battles and give highest priority to reaver control. That's perhaps why my reavers have been doing their jobs. Q: This week, TaekLeeSsang all achieved 3-kills or better. Did this fact put any pressure on you? A: I read the match review article regarding Bisu's all-kill last night and felt the pressure already then. Moreover, I knew had to play against Jaedong to finish the match. I'm so glad I was able to achieve the 3-kill at the end. Q: There's no LeeSsang in the individual leagues, so if you fall behind them in SPL, perhaps your achievements so far (in the individual leagues) will be overshadowed. A: Personally, OSL and MSL are more important than SPL. Compared to TaekLeeSsang, my individual league resume is quite weak. This season is a crucial opportunity for me to catch up. Well, all that is just in my head and I practice real hard for SPL too (laughs). I want to do well in everything. Q: What are your reactions to the vuvuzela ban? A: I know that some of my fans have been bring vuvuzela to matches. I suppose some of the other fans were annoyed. Since e-sports happen in relatively closed spaces compared to other sports, I understand that loud cheering tools can be disruptive. However, I personally believe that e-sports is just like other sports and there are needs for more diverse and creative fan/cheering cultures. Vuvuzela could have been a major part of that. In that sense, I'm a little disappointed. As e-sports continue to develop and mature, I think more creative fan cultures will become accepted. Q: You're off to a great start in this season's SWL. Since you didn't do very well in the past SWL's, what do you think about the great start? A: We've just entered the mid-point of the season and I'm already way ahead of last season's pace (laughs). My goal has always been to be better than the previous season, and I think I can achieve that this season. Hopefully the team's record will be better as well! ... WHAT? NO MENTION OF GALAXY TAB? WTF ----- Source: Daily E-SportsBonus: + Show Spoiler [SPL Win Leaders, as of January 12] +![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/24ox2yt.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Names] +
(in the same order as the list)
Column headings: rank / name / team / race / wins / losses / win rate
1. Flash
1. Bisu
3. Jaedong
4. Stats
5. Hydra
5. Stork
5. Fantasy
5. Sea
9. Tyson
9. Ggaemo
9. Zero
9. Free
13. Shine
13. Baby
13. Leta
13. Really
13. Great
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Poll: Who will win?Samsung KHAN (28) 52% Hwaseung OZ (26) 48% 54 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Samsung KHAN
(Vote): Hwaseung OZ
Poll: Who are you cheering for?Jaedong (30) 32% Stork (30) 32% JANGBI I BELIEVE! (22) 23% Hwaseung OZ (7) 7% Samsung KHAN (5) 5% 94 total votes Your vote: Who are you cheering for? (Vote): Samsung KHAN
(Vote): Hwaseung OZ
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): Stork
(Vote): JANGBI I BELIEVE!
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Getting bored? Make more LR threads.
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Anytime gonna 4-0 ez, sorry Khan fans~
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I see fantasy in the background, bwahaha.
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United States5582 Posts
Omfg, you have a Jangbi option in the poll. ilu. <3
Hwahhh, another thread from you, and looking awesome as always! Not sure if I can watch these games, but here's to hoping for a JANGBI ALL-KILL this time!! :DDD
Of course, seeing Stork get sent out would be nice as well. Dinotoss all-kill~ |D
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Bisutopia19237 Posts
Stork needs to have a demoralizing win today and let that carry over into the MSL. Jaedong has a real chance to shine today. This should be a good MU. OZ Fighting!
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I felt dirty voting for Oz, but it really seems as if Jaedong will end up all-killing or at least beating 3 of the Khan players 
I really wanted to vote for Khan and they do have a legitimate chance...however, I'm just going to shut up and work now, and hope Oz just wins ><
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Go Stork!
Oh, I hope we will see Jaedong playing Stork. That would be a treat 
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If we do not get Stork vs JD I'll be a very sad panda.
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Great banner, so impressionistic
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JD is in such a beast mode right now, so is Stork...this is gonna be incredible, we're almost 100% guaranteed a Stork/JD game.
OMG, is the calendar right? 11pm EST? HELL YEA I can watch it!
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Gonna be hard for the Dong to AK with Bloody Ridge the 4th map D: 0-2 on that map i think.
Anyway, JD vs Stork gogo
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Meh, I don't see JD all-killing. It's going to be hard preparing for Stork, great, Turn when they mostly just have to prepare to snipe Jaedong. For Oz to win, the rest of the team is gonna have to carry their weight.
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On January 12 2011 12:09 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Meh, I don't see JD all-killing. It's going to be hard preparing for Stork, great, Turn when they mostly just have to prepare to snipe Jaedong. For Oz to win, the rest of the team is gonna have to carry their weight.
If they just practice vZ they are pretty much guaranteed the win. Not like Hiya or Oz tosses have been performing particularly well...
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Wheeee, I love winners league. Khan doesn't have the zergs to luck box ZvZ or any quality terrans, it's basically JD vs Stork and I like that mu
On January 12 2011 12:09 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Meh, I don't see JD all-killing. It's going to be hard preparing for Stork, great, Turn when they mostly just have to prepare to snipe Jaedong. For Oz to win, the rest of the team is gonna have to carry their weight.
Every team has a player of each race, Khan isn't special in that regard. Besides, its not like Turn or Great are incredible vZ players
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Jaedong is serious about winning that, time for revenge against Stork!
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On January 12 2011 12:20 n.DieJokes wrote:
Wheeee, I love winners league. Khan doesn't have the zergs to luck box ZvZ or any quality terrans, it's basically JD vs Stork and I like that mu
great's ZvZ has been looking quite formidable lately.
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Is somebody streaming this?
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Estonia4504 Posts
Great LR thread. I kinda feel guilty for not doing one myself now.
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HYPE
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is that Jaedong in that weird panda cloths :O:O that's kinda insulting from a jaedong fan lol
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On January 12 2011 12:47 fofa2000 wrote:
is that Jaedong in that weird panda cloths :O:O that's kinda insulting from a jaedong fan lol
How is it insulting when he willingly wore that o_O
The OZ members dressed up in animal costumes and danced to BoBiBoBi.
It's from the same camp when the OZ members cross-dressed.
Craton's online, so I guess he's going to stream?
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I was joking It's actually very fun :D
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I know the dino toss outfit, but that is the first time I have seen that picture of JD....I am amused.
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LOL Odin leads off for Khan. January trolling Oz.
Backho up for Oz.
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Unfortunatly backho is terrible against Zergs.
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Odin 3 kill into sHy reverse all-kill incoming.
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Odin, father of Thor vs Jesus the son of God.
Probably not gonna live up to that.
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proxy gate vs overpool
Edit: and a forge at odins choke. interesting
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lol proxy gate/forge right below Odin's nat. Odin is going to be"WTFing"
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Craton, i think your sound is set to the Ace game.
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To fun to be true but I doubt it's gonna work
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Is the stream lagging for anyone else?
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United States13143 Posts
On January 12 2011 13:07 Wohmfg wrote:
Is the stream lagging for anyone else?
Completely smooth for me.
Thanks for the stream, Craton!
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1 base spire from odin. expansion from backho
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Reverse wall-in lulz.
Backho's zealots continuing to try and harass Odin but the majority of the attack is repulsed. Still a zealot running around.
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United States13143 Posts
Expanding seems really greedy from Backho here, although I guess he can drop cannons
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Odin for 2 in base hatch muta?
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LOL many cannon from Jesus
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Lots of cannons going up for Backho. 3 in each base.
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backho with 3 cannons per base and corsairs on the way
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On January 12 2011 13:03 fofa2000 wrote:
Unfortunatly backho is terrible against Zergs.
Fixed that for you. Seriously... has he ever been any good? It's not without reason that Hwaseung protosses are a running joke - like SK Zergs.
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Scourges can't crash into cannons, Odin hahaha
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Reverse wall-in destroyed.
Nice muta micro has no mutas die from that attack. Odin closing in on Backho's nat.
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You're right, total fail...
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On January 12 2011 13:11 Infenwe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 13:03 fofa2000 wrote:
Unfortunatly backho is terrible against Zergs. Fixed that for you. Seriously... has he ever been any good? It's not without reason that Hwaseung protosses are a running joke - like SK Zergs.
Lies Hyuk is a total baller
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no gateway, way too many lings passing through, corsairs doing no damage. Seems pretty much hopeless for Backho now
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On January 12 2011 13:11 Infenwe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 13:03 fofa2000 wrote:
Unfortunatly backho is terrible against Zergs. Fixed that for you. Seriously... has he ever been any good? It's not without reason that Hwaseung protosses are a running joke - like SK Zergs.
Wasn't he in the ro8 of one of the Classic seasons? Too bad he couldn't play back then due to the surgery.
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LOL Odin breaks the natural! Too many lings! Backho's natural goes down! Backho in a tight spot though his sairs are killing overlords
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ENd it right now I only want to see Jaedong!
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I wish they'd have a JD cam so we can see his face when his teammates get rofl'd
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Ok hydras are out just gg backho.
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United States13143 Posts
On January 12 2011 13:14 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 13:11 Infenwe wrote:On January 12 2011 13:03 fofa2000 wrote:
Unfortunatly backho is terrible against Zergs. Fixed that for you. Seriously... has he ever been any good? It's not without reason that Hwaseung protosses are a running joke - like SK Zergs. Wasn't he in the ro8 of one of the Classic seasons? Too bad he couldn't play back then due to the surgery.
He also made an OSL semi before getting stomped by July in the same season
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Perfectman better than Backho. That's how bad Backho is.
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Lings take down the forge!
Backho trying to go sair/reaver but loses a lot of sairs. Backho GGs
Odin takes the win!
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Haha backho so sad...JD sighs
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Sure BackHo sucks and never wins, but he's awesome, guys. <3
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Poll: Would you recommend game 1?No (16) 70% Yes (6) 26% If you have time. (1) 4% 23 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time.
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I still love you, Backho...
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losing to odin. now that's embarrassing...
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Don't forget he had a win against stork earlier in the season :D
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That was beyond terrible. BackHo should be ashamed of himself after that.
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United States13143 Posts
Why is everyone voting no? That was an unusual game and I thought it was hilarious.
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1-0 khan, not oz craton.
XD
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Time to send the Assasin!.
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hwaseung seriously needs to change their a-team roster...
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that game was hilarious. Why didn't backho pulled probes to mess with the ling AI tho?
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
I feel so sorry for JD....
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Russian Federation42 Posts
epic fail.
If he move probes as meatshield before cannons he would won game.
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I hope to gawd you are right.
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How about Jaedong, Killer, Princess and Anytime/Hiya?
You only need 4 players in WL, absolutely no reason to front BackHo.
On second thought, how about just any 2 players and then JD, all of Oz sucks anyway at the moment, no reason to discuss player choices when they fundamentally don't matter... :|
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On January 12 2011 13:18 Elyvilon wrote:
Why is everyone voting no? That was an unusual game and I thought it was hilarious.
Exactly. Perfect Backho game. Odin played that perfectly. Sure, if Backho wasn't such a fail and littered his natural with cannons, that counter had no chance. But overall it's always nice to see successfully defended cheese.
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at this point, i think it's better to let at least one newcomer(s) play so they can gain live gaming experience. at least there is "hope" for a better future. baekho has had plenty of broadcasted matches to prove himself, which he hasn't. i think killer is fine. hiya is okay......except not really because he plays like utter crap in proleague now. well if everyone performs as well during practice as jd professes but just sucks live, then maybe what they need more is mental training or what not. : /
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Craton switch back please
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Killer is doomed.
Odin is so bad though.. gotta see stork !@!
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If Killer can't win ZvZ vs Odin, he should just demote himself to the B-team.
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Killer...you can beat Shine, pleeeease beat Odin.
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hard to say whos gonna win this one... both are so bad...
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LOL they just called a guy in the audience a chubbier JD
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On January 12 2011 13:31 yoonyoon wrote:
LOL they just called a guy in the audience a chubbier JD
He looked JUST like JD.
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On January 12 2011 13:31 yoonyoon wrote:
LOL they just called a guy in the audience a chubbier JD
Rofl I know, I heard that too! A slight chubbier JD the commentators said! Hahahahaha!
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On January 12 2011 13:31 blueblimp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 13:31 yoonyoon wrote:
LOL they just called a guy in the audience a chubbier JD He looked JUST like JD.
Honestly I was thinking what is JD doing there... really weird lol
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Where are you guys learning all that korean?? I also wanna learn it
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On January 12 2011 13:33 Deekin[ wrote:Where are you guys learning all that korean?? I also wanna learn it
I'm Korean.
Odin wasted that timing where he could have gone in and killed a drone or two ~_~
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wow killer impressed me there( im writting it as fast as I can before he screws up)
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Omg Odin with such bad micro
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Killer's lings moving in on Odin's nat. Dancing around...and around. They back off.
Meanwhile, few of Odin's Zerglings in Killer's main. They run around.
Odin chases Killer's lings all the way back to his main, tries to bust in.
Spire out for Killer.
Blood all over the ramp.. First muta comes out for Killer, chases the lings away.
Odin building creep colonies in response.
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lol overlord dies to spore colony.
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Killer plays off being surprised he came out so well, and is like "uhh...yeah, everything's just the way I planned"
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Killer's mutas moving out onto the map. Taking his nat meanwhile and throwing down a third in-base hatch.
Mutas poking around, get repulsed by spore colonies without doing much of anything.
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Killer actually won that? He's so clutch~
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Yes baby that's the way it's done!
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Lings at Odin's nat attacking spore colonies/drones. Odin has literally nothing to defend with.
Meanwhile, Odin's lings attacking Killer's nat, but mutas defend successfully.
gg from Odin.
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Pretty poor performance from both players
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OGN is re-using the song from EVER 2009, right?
Bothering me >.>
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Odin gets beat by Killer
It's tied now. :O
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
Awful game. Both players played like shit.
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Ugh. Killer on my anti. I hope stork gets 2 or more wins to offset this result.
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I wanna see some TvZ now, so I hope they send out Turn.
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odin probably not too sad for him getting 1 win especially a comeback win over an A-teamer is more than expected, everything after that is gravy
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Poll: Would you recommend game 2?No (16) 94% Yes (1) 6% If you have time. (0) 0% 17 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time.
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What the hell is Craton showing?
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Craton... what is that :O
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Ace vs Stars. It's getting late and starting early in the morning I guess i won't see jaedong.
Good night, looking forward a jd total victory!
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Looking at the poll...really only like 10 people are LRing now?
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go to hell odin, why you had to steal a win from stork/great
they are supposed to score this round, for the sake of my fpl team!
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On January 12 2011 13:41 mierin wrote:Looking at the poll...really only like 10 people are LRing now?
what's LR?
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On January 12 2011 13:41 mierin wrote:Looking at the poll...really only like 10 people are LRing now?
There are many who are too busy watching to post/vote (like me :D)... There are two games going on at the same time after all :p
And sure, there are better attendance during the weekend n SKT matches :p
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^ Not just SKT - games with Flash and JD do very well.
It's 1pm on a Wednesday, not the best time for high attendance.
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jangbi is outtttttttt
Or should I say in? eh;
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To Jangbang or not to Jangbang, that is the question.
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Jangbi sent out to snipe a Zerg? O_o
Gogo Jangbi!
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JAAAAANNNNNGGGGBBBBIIIIIIIIII!
Make us proud, son.
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United States13143 Posts
Also, Killer vs Odin is not exactly a matchup which inspires people to pay attention to it.
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On January 12 2011 13:48 Holgerius wrote:
Jangbi sent out to snipe a Zerg? O_o
Gogo Jangbi!
Jangbi's best matchup this year is actually PvZ by a fairly significant amount.
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LOL Craton, Hwaseung House comic ~_~
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Map too damn big! Routes are long and it makes for boring first seven minutes
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On January 12 2011 13:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Map too damn big! Routes are long and it makes for boring first seven minutes
Be glad it's not like in SC2 instead.
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Never trade corsairs for overlords, jangbi X_X
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something wrong with the stream?
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a lone dt hero walks the long walk
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Poor dt is not having much success.
It's okay, little guy...keep trying! One day you'll make it big.
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i dont like this situation
since i'm aware how easily killer may screw up.....
make me have faith killer///
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Should've made a DA to deal with the mutas.
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Sair getting chased by scourge gets ambushed by a mass of hydras.
Killer has a number of mutas seemingly aimed at a major ht snipe. Those are a lot of mutas after all
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mutas for taking out the high templar
heavy def on tose templars
cannons +dragoons+ corsairs
i dont know about that we'll see
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United States13143 Posts
Jangbi tries to move out and gets crushed
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very nice attack by killer !!!
killing half the army after taking 2-3 templars
jangbi rereats to his base with the rest of the army hydras lay seige to the natural
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Jangbi sighs, a GG is incoming
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Jangbi out of templars.
Killer breaching the nat.
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Vs this strategy I strongly feel that getting a DA is worth it.
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this is over too many hydras !!
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omg i cant believe im saying this but impressive rape by killer
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JD looks happy with Killer =]
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no what killer 2 kills? i always pick him for my anti team and he always rapes it.
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United States10328 Posts
lol, you think shine is good at making one unit?
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Craton......... DA FAK is that
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Standard Hydra muta build executed nicely by Killer.
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well played killer
i so hate it when zergs do this to protoss
but in your case i'll be happy
go oz
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That's a staggering amount of hydras.
Killer rolls Jangbi. Is this a dream? An Oz player not named Jaedong with 2 KILLS!? @_@
2-1 Oz.
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ahhh my FPL
i think my anti team has almost as many points as my main team TT
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killer is owning, jaedong looks impressed.
XD
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ROFL
In the words of MJ: "He's a killlahhhh....killahhhh...."
JD maybe not so disappoint now
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Killer is pretty good now O_o
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On January 12 2011 14:02 Condor Hero wrote:
omg i cant believe im saying this but impressive rape by killer
Killer is actually pretty good against toss.... and for a long time too.
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So much for Jangbi's revival . . .
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Poll: Would you recommend game 3?Yes (12) 55% If you have time. (6) 27% No (4) 18% 22 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time.
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On January 12 2011 14:03 pvzvt wrote:
well played killer
i so hate it when zergs do this to protoss
but in your case i'll be happy
go oz
why do you hate it?
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Can't believe Killer has 2 kills. O_o Living up to his name...
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We're probably gonna see Stork or great next. My money's on Stork. They might be saving great to snipe JD.
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Poll: JANGBII NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING! (9) 56% I STILL BELIEVE! (7) 44% 16 total votes Your vote: JANGBI (Vote): I STILL BELIEVE!
(Vote): I NEVER STOPPED BELIEVING!
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Ah JangBi lost, thank god for my antiteam.
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Sorry wont answer on that poll about Jangbi as I have foreseen he retireing in 6 months due to slumping
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killer's templar snipes = so good
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STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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Stork already? Why not turn? Eek, if stork loses, 0.o
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Would've preferred to see Turn first, I wanted a TvZ
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Killer is Like... Im fucking screwed
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On January 12 2011 14:06 DarkMatter_ wrote:
We're probably gonna see Stork or great next. My money's on Stork. They might be saving great to snipe JD.
Turn might be possible as well.
Edit: Nvm :D
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Stork is going to fall to the might of killer!
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DINOTOSS!
I don't know who to cheer for...
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AT&T just died on me before the killer vs jangbi match finished
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Stork...
Killer looks really scared. 
SYONG BYONG GOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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On January 12 2011 14:05 kwkwookw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:03 pvzvt wrote:
well played killer
i so hate it when zergs do this to protoss
but in your case i'll be happy
go oz why do you hate it?
3 hatch hydra bust ??
i'm trying to find a good analogy for it in other areas
its like watching ak vs pair of 66 all in preflop
do you find it so agreeable ?
well granted here the all in came after the flop and killer had the pair of 66 anyway thats how i find 3 hatch/5 hatch hydra bust
i want to see some more game into it you know what i mean ?
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Stork all-kill . . . I believe!!!
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Stork please win! I want to see an epic Stork vs. Jaedong!
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On January 12 2011 14:13 Slow Motion wrote:
Stork all-kill . . . I believe!!!
You know, taht Odin already won one game right?
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If he can get past Storku, I smell ace.
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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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P.S. is anyone else's stream dead? craton put up some silly gif and it crashed 
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Stork is so awesome that he even killed the stream
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wtf what happened. lost my steam!
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On January 12 2011 14:13 Slow Motion wrote:
Stork all-kill . . . I believe!!!
You can believe all you want, not going to happen in this universe, at this moment, though.
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Noooooo...
Stream died
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Stork just crashed Craton's streams.
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noooooo please bring it back epix match incoming
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On January 12 2011 14:13 Kirb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:13 Slow Motion wrote:
Stork all-kill . . . I believe!!! You know, taht Odin already won one game right?
Well thanks for killing my enthusiasm. Stork 3-kill . . . I . . . oh whatever just win some games Stork.
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Hahah please someone LR this
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i'm guessing roffles will show oz vs khan once free wins !
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Or better: someone stream this.
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ASAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGGGHHHH WHY DOES THE STREAM DIE AT THE MOST INCONVENIENT TIMES!!!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... WTF is wrong with the stream???
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Six zerglings in Stork's base
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Killer for all-kill? :D?
I hope Stars and Oz win tonight...I'm screwed enough as it is. My stream's back!
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Craton is giving me a heart attack dammit
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it's back
I NO LONGER DISAPPOINT!
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Thanks Craton! Woaaah lingrunby. ^^
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Stream died and now there are lings in Stork's base
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Stream is back-ish, thanks Craton!
Killer is top right, stork is bottom left.
Killer with lings in Stork's base.
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Oh god, Killer does a ling runby. He's killing a lot of probes
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Stream back
Stork lets in SIX zerglings lol
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stop saying the stream is on if its not!
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wow down again
I AM DISAPPOINT NAO
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wow no stream and LR's of Stork with lings in his base T_T
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On January 12 2011 14:18 pvzvt wrote:
stop saying the stream is on if its not!
Well it was, now it's not again.
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If Killer get's the all kill, he should be known as "AllKiller"
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OMG, WHAT'S HAPPENING??!!!
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How are you guys watching without stream? Please enlighten us!
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The stream is dancing...the stream is dancing...the stream is dancing....WIIIITHHHH MYYYYY HEAAARRRRRRRRRTTTT!
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Daniel has busted into killer's booth and is beating him senseless in storks name!
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I watch on TV
Another DT in Killer's base, but plenty of overlords, DT retreats
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On January 12 2011 14:20 Release wrote:
If Killer get's the all kill, he should be known as "AllKiller"
LOL
That would be awesome! Or khankilller or storkiller something
I would actually be willing to cheer for killer if he were to get good.
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The stream is working again
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On January 12 2011 14:21 Z3kk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:20 Release wrote:
If Killer get's the all kill, he should be known as "AllKiller" LOL That would be awesome! Or khankilller or storkiller something I would actually be killing to cheer for killer if he were to get good.
jd sheds a tear and puts a hand on his shoulder
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Stork is still alive. dt running around just to get killed though.
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On January 12 2011 14:22 Q.E.D. wrote:
who are playing now?
stork v killer
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Stork loses 3/6 HTs but kills all the mutas.
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Killer suicides a control group of mutas for 4 templar. Very much doubt that was worth it.
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Mutas out for Killer, coming in to snipe hts.
Get three of them in exchange for a tooon of mutas. Worth it?
Killer moving in with hydras against a ton of Dragoons + storm.
Gets decimated, but flanks with reinforcements. Still getting decimated, but...
stream crashes.
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no streams?
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Storm dodging skills still not quite there
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Killer trying the same thing he did to Jangbi. Goes with muta snipes. Snipes two hts but has his mutas all die. Stork's storms chase off Killer's incoming hydra army! Killer doesn't have as much hydras as he did against Jangbi!
Killer's attack looks like it's repulsed!
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why does it keep dying during the most intense game!?
:o
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goon/temp turned into just goon
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Stork's goons winning the battle against hydras...
...into dead stream
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man stream dying at the worst moments
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down again
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On January 12 2011 14:21 yoonyoon wrote:
I watch on TV
Another DT in Killer's base, but plenty of overlords, DT retreats
Keep informing us pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.
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I guess everybody are F5ing like hell haha
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Mutas... suicide
Don't think a single HT was killed?
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Stork not able to get a 3rd up. wants to get reavers now.
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On January 12 2011 14:25 Telcontar wrote:
Roffles, SAVE US!
Considering that the game on Roffles' stream is pretty good, I doubt he'll switch it in the middle.
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Killer too cool to expand.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaah killer sacking a lot of hydras and fails to snipe the reaver with it. :/
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Stork defends his third and gets it running.
He has reavers now along with HTs, goons and lots.
Stream might die again any second
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wow just for all those not watching the game
there is a game on roffles thats very exciting
and considering its ace must watch
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Looks like Stork is in a pretty good position
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GG!
Not sure since the stream constantly died, but did Stork actually attack?
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no one else is streaming? craton pls fix lag
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what!? how was that over!?! gj stork!
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3 base vs 3 base Stork fends off Killer's muta hydra attack and killer GG's!!!!
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Dinotoss pulls it off! GG
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That was awful by killer ;;.
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LOL well we had hope in you for a second there Killer
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GG... seems like we missed epic comeback by Stork...
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Jaedong incoming, i can sense it; i actually think stork will win if we see Jaedong.
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gg... not the best game but u did well enough killer.
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Wow, Stork manages to defend that entire push. His unit control is too good and reavers chase off hydras.
Killer GGs
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lol killer's micro there at the end was like mine..
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too many mutas thrown away, too little storm dodging
gg
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I'm not sure who told Killer it was a great strategy to suicide masses of mutas into cannons to kill hts...but someone needs to talk to that person.
gg.
SYONG BYONG GOOOOOO!
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i see samsung khan high fiveing! did stork already win vs killer?
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They should totally send JD now. I wanna see JD vs Stork. :D
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Damn that felt like a tad bit early GG. Not super early, but a tad...
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LOL WTF. I see six lings runby and the stream goes down. Then the stream goes back up and Stork's storming everything Killer has :o
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Why would you try to snipe the high templars when there are 7 cannons + a whole bunch of dragoons? He should've sent those mutas to Stork's 3rd base instead. It didn't look like he had any cannons there.
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How is everybody watching this? Link to stream please
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JD vs Stork now! warm-up to MSL!
Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype!
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On January 12 2011 14:30 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Why would you try to snipe the high templars when there are 7 cannons + a whole bunch of dragoons? He should've sent those mutas to Stork's 3rd base instead. It didn't look like he had any cannons there.
Well.. from the short frames we actually saw it looked like he pretty much comitted to the Hydrapush and wasn't going anywhere with it. So he tried to make smth happen as hard as he could. o.O He needed to kill stork cause catchup wasn't really a possibility anymore.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 4?Didn't see it, but heard it was good. (22) 59% Yes (7) 19% No (4) 11% Didn't see it, but heard it wasn't worth seeing. (4) 11% 37 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 4? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Didn't see it, but heard it was good.
(Vote): Didn't see it, but heard it wasn't worth seeing.
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Jingle bell sing, and jingle bell LING.
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On January 12 2011 14:31 Q.E.D. wrote:
JD vs Stork now! warm-up to MSL!
Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype!
^_^/ GUU~~
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Stork won without doing a single thing. And he did it really well. The PLU stream is crystal clear.
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Game was not very good really, you didn't miss much of anything. Just more Killer being Killer.
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i'll cry if the stream dies down multiple times during jd vs stork
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Poll: Should Craton fix lag?Yes pleeeeeeeeeease! (20) 83% Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p (4) 17% 24 total votes Your vote: Should Craton fix lag? (Vote): Yes pleeeeeeeeeease!
(Vote): Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p
User was warned for this post
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On January 12 2011 14:35 Q.E.D. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Should Craton fix lag?Yes pleeeeeeeeeease! (20) 83% Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p (4) 17% 24 total votes Your vote: Should Craton fix lag? (Vote): Yes pleeeeeeeeeease!
(Vote): Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p
I said yes, but I imagine Craton is doing what he can.
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That was a great game. Too bad the stream died for so many(good thing I watched on plu)
As for theh game, Killer went with a 3-base/5-hatch all-in version, with just enough drones to support hydra/muta. But his templar snipes were bad, trading basically 3 waves of mutas for like 6 templars. Stork also smartly went with reavers(no shuttle version) to counter the temp snipe. Because it was an all-in build by Killer, he never transitioned out of it. And eventually Stork's army mix of lot/goon/reaver/temp slowly gained advantage, took his 3rd, and Killer gged.
Stork's defense in that game was nothing short of spectacular.
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On January 12 2011 14:36 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:35 Q.E.D. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Should Craton fix lag?Yes pleeeeeeeeeease! (20) 83% Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p (4) 17% 24 total votes Your vote: Should Craton fix lag? (Vote): Yes pleeeeeeeeeease!
(Vote): Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p
I said yes, but I imagine Craton is doing what he can.
Yes, quite insensitive, we should be grateful that he's doing anything at all.
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On January 12 2011 14:35 Q.E.D. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Poll: Should Craton fix lag?Yes pleeeeeeeeeease! (20) 83% Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p (4) 17% 24 total votes Your vote: Should Craton fix lag? (Vote): Yes pleeeeeeeeeease!
(Vote): Im ok, i'll follow LR in TL :p
Don't pressure Craton. =/ Just be happy he's even trying to stream at all.
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If I was Craton, I'd get pissed off by the people on this thread and give up streaming o_O
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So Oz once again has only Jaedong to save the day, since everyone but Killer and Jaedong are rly terrible vP. :/
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On January 12 2011 14:38 yoonyoon wrote:
If I was Craton, I'd get pissed off by the people on this thread and give up streaming o_O
fortunately, he knows that its internet and that idiots can appear anywhere, even in LR thread on TL.
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its a pleasure everytime again to see this guy screaming storks name lol :D
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The Daniel gif needs to stay! The entire time.
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First Jesus, then a Killer, and now a Princess.
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On January 12 2011 14:38 yoonyoon wrote:
If I was Craton, I'd get pissed off by the people on this thread and give up streaming o_O
Thankfully you're not Craton
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On January 12 2011 14:40 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:38 yoonyoon wrote:
If I was Craton, I'd get pissed off by the people on this thread and give up streaming o_O fortunately, he knows that its internet and that idiots can appear anywhere, even in LR thread on TL.
+ he knows that we all love him! <3
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omg why princess!
hehehe, craton is cool. just putting some nudge to it! :p
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With JD in waiting, this means 4 consecutive ZvPs for sure.
And yes, that means I'm giving Princess no chance here vs Stork.
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At least Stork gets to practice his PvZ before the OSL.
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What software does Craton use to get that match information box like that?
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stork showing jangbi how it's done, hehe.
XD
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On January 12 2011 14:41 ghrur wrote:
Where the FUCK is Hiya?
Hiya just lost against Stork in Osl... maybe that explains why he was not send out now.
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On January 12 2011 14:41 Kirb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:40 Itachii wrote:On January 12 2011 14:38 yoonyoon wrote:
If I was Craton, I'd get pissed off by the people on this thread and give up streaming o_O fortunately, he knows that its internet and that idiots can appear anywhere, even in LR thread on TL. + he knows that we all love him! <3
very true indeed!
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Why doesnt it surprise me that the Craton poll came from a 16 post SCV (im a probe too >.< i know)
And i dont think Oz wanna send Hiya out vs Stork =/ at least Stork's early game looked really shaky in his last game vs Killer.
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Hiya's going to come out next instead of Jaedong just to troll us all.
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It's all perfectly fine, thanks :3
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On January 12 2011 14:41 ghrur wrote:
Where the FUCK is Hiya?
Too exhausted from his double-digit PL losses.
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Musou you are a hero haha
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If this goes to Stork vs JD and we have no reliable stream I'll cry.
Oh, we have a stream! Thanks!
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Princess doing a good job sniping scouting probes.
Stork does send a zealot to Princess's 3rd and disrupts mining also killing 1 drone. Commentators stating Stork looking to go sair/reaver
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On January 12 2011 14:46 Apex wrote:
Commentators stating Stork looking to go sair/reaver
That would be a treat...
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Princess taking a fast fourth.
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Woohoo, Stork saves his sair!
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corsair holding on for dear life LOL
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woah lucky sair right there
cmon storkieeeeeeee
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Stork's lucky corsair ultimately falls to Princess's two sneaky scourges
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And the sair ends up ambushed in the middle of Stork's base
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seems like princees is building his 4th
stork on 2 reaver in a shuttle ready
if princess holds with not too much damage he has a good chance of taking stork
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mutas pop from nowhere and attack storks natural
lots of probes kill
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Mutas harass Stork, Reaver harasses Princess.
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Stork's moving out with sair/reaver and dragoons.
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One reaver down
Lots of burrowing drones o_o
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mass death everywhere!! blue and red all over!
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Stork loses his army to a nice surround.
Wait, sairs are still alive apparently. And one reaver with shuttle.
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shiiiiiiit my FPL
why stooooooork
why killeeeeer
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Heh. Failed hydra ambush on the corsairs.
Stork moving out now with shuttle + 2 reavers + goons + sairs.
Princess countering with hydras +mutas.
Big battle...unfortunately, too many Hydras. Stork's sairs+ one reaver/shuttle survive, but all goons die.
Stork's sairs snipe quite a few overlords, though.
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pincer by princess all of stork forces - shuttle and reaver are dead
i think its over
stork with 2 base no army princess with 4 bases
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correction stork has those corsairs that killed and still killing alot of overlords
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Things are looking dire for Stork after losing that huge army. The 4 base economy is getting sick even with all the overlord losses.
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stork and his sneaky sairs
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With Stork losing that initial push, he needs a third. This could be the final push
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Hydra massacre
38 kill reaver
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Stork forcing his way into the natural.
Princess tries to flank.
Zealots wreaking the natural. Goons and reaver destroy the flanking hydra.
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Flank too late from princesses on the second push, stork is breaking!
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Yep. I knew storku had it in him.
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I, uh, what?
Stork breaks the natural and kills off Princess' reinforcements
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Wow, Stork's all over the place.
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hell yea song byung gooooo
JD WHUR U AT SON U UP
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stork manages to raise an army and push through princess main hmmm
fuck
stork is good
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That shuttle+reaver micro is GODLIKE.
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Jaedong clean this mess up please
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Alone's main, including his Hive, is down.
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princess you suck rofl you had that game after holding off that first push
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Stork does need to take a third/make something happen soon.
Moving out with goons, two reavers, and sairs. Kills some Lurkers in the middle of the map.
Moving in on nat, making mincemeat of things.
Princess attacks from the rear, but his army gets cleaned up by reavers/goons. Storks takes down the hat, spire, etc.
Moving into the main now with zealots, goons, reavers. Lair goes down...now spawning pool.
Meanwhile, he's taking a third.
Stork...soooo baller.
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it's ok you'll get there princess!
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45 kill reaver now, new world record!!!
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Stork's destroying the main with a 45 kill reaver...
Princess tries to counter, but Stork had enough to stop it before it got anywhere.
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Man, what sick reaver play by Stork, again.
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On January 12 2011 14:56 Slow Motion wrote:
45 kill reaver now, new world record!!!
Snow against SKT Zerg last playoffs had 80something.
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50+ kills on that reaver! :D:D:D:D:D
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I love watching sair-reaver
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GG timing fail worse than flash
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watching hwaseung oz players never ceases to amaze me
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On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash
What?
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gg!
Stork's shuttle micro that game was pretty amazing
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52 and 27 kill reaver. GG.
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all u had to do is scourge that shuttle
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This is unreal. Princess is getting walked all over by goons, reavers, and zealots. :o
gg.
Stork...sooooooooo awesome.
SYONG BYONG GOOOOOOO!
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On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash
That's not hard to accomplish considering that Flash often gg with perfect timing.
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haha nice job stork. 51 kill and like 30 kill reavers.. hehe.
XD
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if princess just spawned scourages to snipe that shuttle... ㅡ.ㅡ^
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I Never thought that Tempest's mangoon 33 kills would ever be beat.
On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:What?
Flash is quite famous for GGing very late out of games, but I think princess should've GGed long before he was down to one base.
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Poll: Would you recommend game 5?Yes (34) 94% No (1) 3% If you have time. (1) 3% 36 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 5? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time.
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Holy shit, ~52 kill reaver and ~28 kill reaver. Stork's reaver control is just godly.
Those reavers won Stork the game.
Princess GGs.
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reading the LR thread made me scared for Stork, but well his reaver play is just imba !
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can't watch the game atm, so reading LR thread
was really scared when you guys described storks situation
then i f5'd and was like song byung goooo <3
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YES YES YES!
HYPE HYPE HYPE! That game only served to whet our appetite for JvS!
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That game was fantastic by Stork! What a hero! :D Please send JD now!
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Stork is really getting in the PvZ practice for his OSL game vs Modesty.
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On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:What?
I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say?
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On January 12 2011 14:59 endy wrote:
reading the LR thread made me scared for Stork, but well his reaver play is just imba !
Yeah he was losing but the turning point was his attack where he went forward with zealots but held goons back to deal with rear hydra attack. His goons had such a perfect gap for scarabs it was beautiful.
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On January 12 2011 14:59 OpticalShot wrote:
oh man next match is going to be EPIC
Unless they send Sky because JD needs some rest for individual leagues haha.
In that case it's gonna be ANTICLIMATIC
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Hopefully JD is angry enough to pull through for Oz yet again...
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When he was down 2 bases to 4 I was really worried. That Zealot attack into Princess' nat while Dragoons and Reavers delayed the hydras was incredible.
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Princess should've built more mutas and scourge. His corsairs were free to go overlord hunting during the battle because he didn't need to defend his reavers against mutas.
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why can i not watch the ustream ??? ahhhhhhhhh
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On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say?
Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
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To be fair, if Jaedong had Princess or Killer's initial advantageous positions, I really don't believe Stork could've came back. So I would say most likely Jaedong > Stork.
That is, unless Stork decides to go proxy gate rush again.
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On January 12 2011 14:58 Release wrote:I Never thought that Tempest's mangoon 33 kills would ever be beat. Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? Flash is quite famous for GGing very late out of games, but I think princess should've GGed long before he was down to one base.
Are you for real?
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On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
Flash usually has perfect GG timing.
You must be thinking of Fantasy.
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On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
Flash? lol he doesnt GG in the first place since he always wins
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On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
Flash has excellent gg timing (Jaedong too), wtf are you talking about? Maybe you're thinking of Fantasy.
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On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
Flash's gg timing does not suck. You might be able to find random one off games where he should've tapped out earlier, but he almost always taps out when he no longer has a chance to make a comeback.
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On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
I'll forgive you because you're still new to TeamLiquid, but you really need to stop posting about things you know nothing about.
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On January 12 2011 15:04 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse. Flash usually has perfect GG timing. You must be thinking of Fantasy.
My bad; Fantasy is who i am thinking of.
Princess's gg timing was worse than Fantasy's
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On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse.
Flash has very good gg timing. only time he doesn't gg is when he has a legitimate chance of coming back (which he does very often, even after people on the LR thread go "wtf gg already, you have no chance").
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On January 12 2011 15:04 baubo wrote:To be fair, if Jaedong had Princess or Killer's initial advantageous positions, I really don't believe Stork could've came back. So I would say most likely Jaedong > Stork. That is, unless Stork decides to go proxy gate rush again.
i think this could happen! is aztec the next map? big chance it will :D
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Surprise, surprise - Jaedong's out.
He's accounting for 41.7% of the kills for OZ -.-
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On January 12 2011 15:05 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:04 okum wrote:On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse. Flash usually has perfect GG timing. You must be thinking of Fantasy. My bad; Fantasy is who i am thinking of. Princess's gg timing was worse than Fantasy's
Lol. Now I agree with you.
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On January 12 2011 15:05 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:03 Release wrote:On January 12 2011 15:00 J1.au wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 flamewheel wrote:On January 12 2011 14:57 Release wrote:
GG timing fail worse than flash What? I'm still scratching my head over it, what is he trying to say? Flash's GG timing sucks. Princess's in that game was worse. Flash? lol he doesnt GG in the first place since he always wins
Hahaha for a minute I thought they were referring to him not saying "gg" really fast before the other guy quit
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here comes a good one!! :D
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Craton is streaming to anyone asking.
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On January 12 2011 15:06 BlackMesa wrote:
noone streamign this?
look at streams in the OP there are 2 ^^
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SONG BYUNG GOO vs LEE JAE DONG
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ALRIGHT! THIS TIME, THE SHIT IS REAL!
STORK V.S. JAEDONG!
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Obviously, Jaedong appears now for Oz.
Jaedong v. Stork incoming.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
THE DONG IS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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main event ppl
dinotoss vs tyrant
GOGO SONG BYUNG GOOMIDA
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YES! STORK vs JD! :D
I feel a little sad for Stork though that he has to play 3 PvZ's in a row. =/
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The Commander vs. The Tyrant!
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C'mon Stork you can do this!
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This is it, folks. Stork vs Jaedong.
It's all on the line here.
GO STORK!
SYONG BYONG GOOOOOOOOO!
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Anyone else think this could be good?
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fuck yes i just tuned in in the right moment
STORK VS JD <3<3
while free was pushing my fpl
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It's on like donkey kong, people!
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edit: it works now. thank god!!!
GOGOG JAEDONG
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On January 12 2011 15:07 Holgerius wrote:
YES! STORK vs JD! :D
I feel a little sad for Stork though that he has to play 3 PvZ's in a row. =/
He's playing Calm in OSL, right? He's probably grateful.
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On January 12 2011 15:06 yoonyoon wrote:
Surprise, surprise - Jaedong's out.
He's accounting for 41.7% of the kills for OZ -.-
and it's gonna be over 60% after two rounds of winners league t_t
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OMG THIS IS INTENSE!!! even the commentators are in awe!
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Jaedong please stop this silly PL streak you have against Stork =/
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little stork in the audience.
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My audio was off, didn't hear the cheering.
Who received the bigger cheer?
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On January 12 2011 15:09 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:07 Holgerius wrote:
YES! STORK vs JD! :D
I feel a little sad for Stork though that he has to play 3 PvZ's in a row. =/ He's playing Calm in OSL, right? He's probably grateful.
That'd be Modesty. :p
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JD looking like he wants to kill
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On January 12 2011 15:09 Apex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:09 mierin wrote:On January 12 2011 15:07 Holgerius wrote:
YES! STORK vs JD! :D
I feel a little sad for Stork though that he has to play 3 PvZ's in a row. =/ He's playing Calm in OSL, right? He's probably grateful. That'd be Modesty. :p
Modesty is still a Zerg, and he beat Kal too.
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On January 12 2011 15:09 mierin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:07 Holgerius wrote:
YES! STORK vs JD! :D
I feel a little sad for Stork though that he has to play 3 PvZ's in a row. =/ He's playing Calm in OSL, right? He's probably grateful.
No he's playing Modesty. Fantasy plays Calm.
And that's in 9 days, so it doesnt really matter.
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omfg still no streams? and now i miss stork vs jd?
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Craton stream is up.
Video>Live Streams>Offline>Craton
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On January 12 2011 15:09 Apex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:09 mierin wrote:On January 12 2011 15:07 Holgerius wrote:
YES! STORK vs JD! :D
I feel a little sad for Stork though that he has to play 3 PvZ's in a row. =/ He's playing Calm in OSL, right? He's probably grateful. That'd be Modesty. :p
He's probably more worried about PvP right now though, since he gets to finish his match against Bisu tomorrow.
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omfg stork vs jd?!?! cmon stork ;_;
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Damn, that was pretty clutch sim city timing from Stork
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Stork going Forge first.
Jaedong fast expanding. His first lings are out now.
They try to move into the nat, but get repulsed.
Jaedong expanding to the bottom right...even before his nat is finished. Sneaky...
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Half of me is thinking that Oz sent out Killer and Princess just so that Stork can get used to their fail only to be blindsided by Jaedong.
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sneaky 3rd JD. I wish we had JvS all day
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OMG, THAT SCOUTING PROBE IS STILL ALIVE!
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On January 12 2011 15:12 Q.E.D. wrote:
sneaky 3rd JD. I wish we had JvS all day
That isn't sneaky. It's as standard as it gets.
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What? this match har 25 pages of discussion???? All matches have this?
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Lol, the scouting probe finally dies after scouting Jaedong's 3rd.
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On January 12 2011 15:13 icclown wrote:
What? this match har 25 pages of discussion???? All matches have this?
erm... its not that much, isnt it?
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On January 12 2011 15:13 icclown wrote:
What? this match har 25 pages of discussion???? All matches have this?
welcome to the bw tourneys forum
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On January 12 2011 15:12 dukethegold wrote:
OMG, THAT SCOUTING PROBE IS STILL ALIVE!
I think Stork's ability to keep that probe alive is only surpassed by Bisu.
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So, its stork v jaedong, and theres no stream >.<
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four bases already for jaedong, and no army.
heart attack starting...
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Jaedong's third gets scouted. Meanwhile, Stork's getting a Stargate and Citadel of Adun.
Jaedong's spire is going up.
First corsair coming out for Stork. Scouting the main. Sees the spire and lays down a cannon in his main.
Meanwhile, Jaedong's getting a fourth.
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Jaedong gets greedy again ^^
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On January 12 2011 15:14 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:13 icclown wrote:
What? this match har 25 pages of discussion???? All matches have this? welcome to the bw tourneys forum
Zona isn't LRing, so it's some pages less than usual.
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what the fuck is stork doing lol
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Stork's corsairs kill a lot of overlords!
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Phew. Close one on that reaver.
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Jaedong is losing OL left and right.
Stork's PvZ is incredible!
Lol, jaedong sacked a dozen lings to snipe a reaver and failed.
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Stork better expand soon, or a shit ton with this reaver
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Jaedong taking a fast fourth, Stork building reavers and gateways to prepare for a big push soon
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dear zerg players,
protect your overlords.
thanks.
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This is looking soooo bad for Jaedong rofl
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Robo +Templar archives + Robo bay going down for Stork.
Zealots + goons heading down towards Jaedong's 3rd/4th. They get headed off by lings.
Meanwhile, sairs are hunting overlords, pick off quite a few. First reaver out for Stork as well.
Lings burst in and try to snipe the Reaver before the shuttle gets out. Fail.
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Oh man and now Jaedong wastes a lot of lings ><
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very aggressive by stork!
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Link to where this thread is found..... i found it by accident.... i want to follow all games like this!
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Stork trying to take his third, but it's temporarily denied by a burrowed ling
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Finally a shuttle for Stork.
More sair/reaver action but with lots/HTs instead of goons.
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Jaedong with quite the number of scourge lol
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On January 12 2011 15:18 icclown wrote:Link to where this thread is found..... i found it by accident.... i want to follow all games like this!
Look in the BW Tourney section during matches
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STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
breaking bottom right oh shit
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Those were some, ah, interesting storms
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.............................
*cries in corner*
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I think my heart stopped when Stork stormed his own reavers.
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Tons of 'lots in the thrid
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omg jd getting rolled. all those mutas dead to storms + sairs.
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OMG stork is crazy!!! hahaha
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Wow. Amazing storm kills the mutas and scourge. Reavers and shuttle survive.
Stork destroying JD's third and fourth.
JD counters Stork's 3rd.
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o my god.... that's over for JD....
Stork is playling like an OSL-Champion!!!
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OMG Stork is fucking sick
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omg jaedong -.- stop being so greedy
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Reaver drop in the nat...
Storm drop in the main...
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Stork is playing very, very well.
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Jaedong takes down Stork's third, but Stork takes down Jaedong's third and fourth and kills a bunch of drones in the main
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YESSSSS SONG BYUNG GOOOO!!!!
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if there's anyone who's known for their comebacks, its Jaedong,
But it doesnt seem possible tihs time lol
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Jaedong's face says defeat is imminent.
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My god how is stork so good vs JD all the time >.<
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Stork preparing to take a third. Moving against Jaedong's third with Reavers, corsairs, templar, zealots, goons...
Ends up storming his own reavers to take down mutas, but he breaks, takes down 3rd and fourth.
Meanwhile, Jaedong is attacking Stork's third with hydras. They break through and take it down.
But Stork's in Jaedong's main and nat with Reavers AND Templar. Kill a toooon of drones before getting cleaned up.
Stork is in a dominating position.
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Well now I cant really argue Stork shouldn't be no. 1 PR holder.
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Stork has so many zealots he doesn't give a damn about lurkers.
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Stork rebuilding third in a different spot.
Going for an attack with a lot of speedlots. Scourge are staring at the lots destroying the natural.
gg from JD!
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Stork rushes 50 billion zealot to lke 4 lurkers, he doesn't care.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lDsek.png) Lesson learned.
Poll: Would you recommend game 6?Yes (61) 79% No (11) 14% If you have time. (5) 6% 77 total votes Your vote: Would you recommend game 6? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time.
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GG STORK STORK STORK!! JAEDONG FALLS!!!!!!!
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SONG BYUNG GOO
SONG BYUNG GOO
SONG BYUNG GOO
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GG
good game considering the players, but otherwise very 1 sided.
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HAHAHAHAHA! WOWOWOWOW! :D:D:D:D:D That was so good!
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very nice stork.. damn.. stork is GOOD.
great job!!
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TaekBangLeeSsang
Flash, JD, and Stork with 3 kills
Taek with an all-kill
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Stork's very good. Sad Jaedong didn't win though.
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WOW Stork just rolls over Jaedong just as badly as Princess.
Just a dominant performance.
Stork scores the 3-kill and triumphs over the Tyrant!
Khan brings it in 4-2!
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JD
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jaedong playing so sub par -_- he should stop using those greedy builds ffs
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That was just godly play.
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Jaedong's down to two barely mining bases. Stork's rebuilding his third.
Moves in with a bunch of stuff. Breaks through.
gg.
SYONG BYONG GOOOOOOO!
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Stork!
What a monster
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After Bisu's performance yesterday and Stork 3-kills today, our protoss heroes are treating us well !
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I really lost faith in JD. He seems bad against good players.
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On January 12 2011 15:22 flamewheel wrote:
Stork's very good. Sad Jaedong didn't win though.
Yeah, that was a really good game for Stork.
I'm just really sad that he had to beat Jaedong and OZ...
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Stork just might win both starleagues...
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Jaedong doesn't deserve to win if he's going to play like that
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SONG BYUNG GOO!
KHAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!!
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STORK FREAKIN SO HOT
AW GAWD
I CALL INTERVIEW
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Stork just single-handedly took out Oz zerg x_____x
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Lol. Stork won 3 pvz in a day.
Look out modesty.
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Stork on a rampage tonight ^^. The Dinotoss fed well on zerg blood.
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Nothing recommended about that game, honestly. Nothing but drones from JD. Again.
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I love JD, but he just got completely outclassed by Stork.
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hm.. good for my fpl (stork fighting!) bad for my team loyalty haha..
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yessssss song byung goo <3
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STORK, SO DAMN EPIC`!!! clearly worth power wank no.1
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SONG BYUNG GOO! SONG BYUNG GOO! SONG BYUNG GOO!
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On January 12 2011 15:21 Lucumo wrote:
Mass sair so lame D:
What?
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im a jaedong fanboy, but i have to admit that stork played very well.
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stork pretty beast, earning that power rank
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AH WHY?! I voted vs Khan and lost AGAIN T________T Stork has JD's number when it comes to Bo1s.....
2.5 hours wasted...why do I even bother ;;
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Why didn't JD counter protoss 3rd with that ton of hydras from the nat; the second that Stork moved out?
Also, why mutas? They not only were late; they wouldn't do much even with that scourge number - there was just too much sairs, and ~4 storms available.
A counter to force 3rd cancel - and threaten nat, so the force would probably come back, and then a big hydra flank in center; I see no way for stork to survive there.
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On January 12 2011 15:23 Invictus wrote:
jaedong playing so sub par -_- he should stop using those greedy builds ffs
He needs the gas...
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Stork. You are soooo baller. Really.
Ah, so awesome. That was amazing play from Stork.
3-kill against three Zergs, rounding it off with a win over the Tyrant himself? Not a bad day at all.
GO STORK! GO SAMSUNG KHAN! WHOOOOOT!
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OMG SBG!!! drawing first blood vs JD there!
JD will be waiting in the MSL!
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wow that was a nice demonstration of how to play corsair reaver.
seems like he delayed third base slightly to get a higher zealot count. the storms and army positioning were also very nice though. good play by stork.
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Just realised not a single Terran appeared in today's game, lol.
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On January 12 2011 15:24 icclown wrote:
STORK, SO DAMN EPIC`!!! clearly worth power wank no.1
Freudian slip?
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disappointing game from Jaedong , but stork is looking strong as ever.
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On January 12 2011 15:23 Ryo wrote:
Stork just might win both starleagues...
I said the same thing in the MSL thread, but i would change the just might to will
It's kind've funny because in the ACE vs Stars vid in the bottom right corner, there was a KT vs OZ ad focused on JD and Flash, but JD has played quite poorly as of late.
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Jaedong with the same build he used vs. Bisu. Stork countering it like a boss. I don't know what that storm on the reavers was about - GG Stork and GG Samsung Khan! (Holy night of 5 PvZ! ^^)
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Yeah, that was pretty terrible from Jaedong. He just crumbled against that one attack. Even if he killed the two reavers, it probably wouldn't have made much difference. Stork just had too many zealots and most of Jaedong's army was near his main and natural.
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jd used a similar build against bisu the last time they met and got steamrolled. don't know why he keeps going for overly greedy builds vs protoss these days......
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On January 12 2011 15:24 ToFu. wrote:
hm.. good for my fpl (stork fighting!) bad for my team loyalty haha..
Good for FPL, terrible for LB, good for team loyalty but I'm so guilty for voting Oz it doesn't even matter..... $@#!
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Well played from Stork..very one-sided game though. JD
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On January 12 2011 15:24 Soulforged wrote:
Why didn't JD counter protoss 3rd with that ton of hydras from the nat; the second that Stork moved out?
Also, why mutas? They not only were late; they wouldn't do much even with that scourge number - there was just too much sairs, and ~4 storms available.
A counter to force 3rd cancel - and threaten nat, so the force would probably come back, and then a big hydra flank in center; I see no way for stork to survive there.
i think its because stork attacked at the correct timing. going lurkers would be quite bad against reavers. stork attacked before jaedong got up a sizable army and those storms were just so sick.
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On January 12 2011 15:24 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:23 Invictus wrote:
jaedong playing so sub par -_- he should stop using those greedy builds ffs He needs the gas...
hes been skimping on so much units, seriously he took a 4th and he had no army to defend it.
if he wants to start winning against stork and bisu he should switch to being aggresive for a change
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JD needs to stop going fast hive against high class Tosses... Second time on Aztec thats backfired. Who's disappointed now JD? Killer is! D:<
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Greedy builds just don't seem to work on Aztec. Protoss just roll over the simcities.
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On January 12 2011 15:25 Emon_ wrote:
Jaedong with the same build he used vs. Bisu. Stork countering it like a boss. I don't know what that storm on the reavers was about - GG Stork and GG Samsung Khan!
It was to kill all the mutas and scourges, cause protoss units can take storm better than zerg units.
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JD's ubergreed builds are beginning to annoy me . You aren't terran, man.
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I was so scared when Stork started storming his own reavers, but it turned out ok anyway. XD
Magical PvZ by Stork tonight. The game vs JD was just perfect. I'd say his PvZ is on Bisu-level atm.
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hope JD learns from his past two games against bisu and stork and doesn't make the same mistakes in the msl
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Lol, khan in 4th while oz is dead last.
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Jaedong can't seem to do shit against Bisu and Stork in PL. So depressing every time =/
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Stork is now 4-0 on aztec vs Z
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On January 12 2011 15:23 Ryo wrote:
Stork just might win both starleagues...
Jaedong always loses to Stork, Bisu and Light in proleague, yet he's never lost a Bo5 against them.
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i am sad
well done stork
those storms at that gap did the job
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JD was expecting sair-reaver but Stork made a huge ground army instead of committing to sair-reaver.
Hence the lack of army.
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A fine season for all of Protoss :D
Gonna see it once I finish my work.
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On January 12 2011 15:28 Holgerius wrote:
Killer Oz by the way! XD
On January 12 2011 15:25 Itachii wrote:
Killer Oz as usual.
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YESSSSSSSSSSS, STORKKKKKKKKKKKKK!
And Khan is in 4th place overall!!! Oh fuck yes, only a matter of time we have the dream I always wanted, a SKT1 VS KHAN PL GRAND FINALS BISU VS STORK SUPER ACE MATCH!!
Oh man, Khan is amazing nowadays as well as SKT! Can't wait for their matchup coming up!!! ^_^
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On January 12 2011 15:27 Cpadolf wrote:
Jaedong can't seem to do shit against Bisu and Stork in PL. So depressing every time =/
if he prepares for a bo5 he can take them on anytime, but when they meet in PL jd just goes for this overpredictable greedy builds that bisu and stork just fucking pushes over
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:3 Stork hwaitingggggg
And yeah, to be fair Bisu and Light are the two best vZ players of their respective races. Ok maybe Light is second to Flash.
Anyways, this helps me out for my FPL as Stork and Samsung are on my team, and after Stat's all kill, I'll hopefully be back in the game.
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Dang protoss excelling in WL O_O
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Princess vs. Stork was very similar and I thought Princess played much better.
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On January 12 2011 15:28 Lightwip wrote:
JD was expecting sair-reaver but Stork made a huge ground army instead of committing to sair-reaver.
Hence the lack of army.
No. Stork did go mass sair + reavers. and JD knew just how many ground units stork will have since his scourge fully scouted the main several times and saw the gate count (as well as all those zealots guarding the 3rd). JD just got greedy with that 4th and figured Stork wouldn't push quite when he did, allowing him to macro off 4 gas and roll him.
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It's pretty hilarious that Stork of all people displaying PvZ imba.
As for Stork storming his own reavers, it went really fast. But I thought mutas were right on top so he wanted to get rid of the mutas with them. After all, 1 storm kills mutas but not reavers.
Regardless, Stork's attack was absolutely epic.
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On January 12 2011 15:30 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Princess vs. Stork was very similar and I thought Princess played much better.
I think Princess DID play better.
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On January 12 2011 15:29 Invictus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:27 Cpadolf wrote:
Jaedong can't seem to do shit against Bisu and Stork in PL. So depressing every time =/ if he prepares for a bo5 he can take them on anytime, but when they meet in PL jd just goes for this overpredictable greedy builds that bisu and stork just fucking pushes over
Let's not get over confident about JD's Bo5 ability vs Bisu now. The one time we saw a Bo5 series with them it was fucking close, and Bisu lost cause he forgot to hold position zealots.
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That was epic.
Stork, the world is yours to take. Take it.
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They gave Stork good warmup before final game.Should have sent JD right after Killer and save princess for some cheesy stuff
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Tosses have been punishing the fuck out of greedy zergs this season. Zero is a prime example of wasted greed these days.
Anyway, Stork fucked up three zergs, including the best zerg. There's not much else to say.
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yeah stork!!!!!!! finally having you on my FPL team is paying off
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On January 12 2011 15:30 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:28 Lightwip wrote:
JD was expecting sair-reaver but Stork made a huge ground army instead of committing to sair-reaver.
Hence the lack of army. No. Stork did go mass sair + reavers. and JD knew just how many units stork will have since his scourge fully scouted the main several times and saw the gate count. JD just got greedy with that 4th and figured Stork wouldn't push quite when he did, allowing JD to macro off 4 gas and roll him.
Personally, I think Stork's build is a reaction to Jaedong's build. When Stork saw fast 4th, he knew Jaedong had no units. So he basically filled his entire tech tree before making units.
In essences, it was ultra-fast tech > ultra-fast expansion. And I believe Stork hit the perfect timing window right before Jaedong's macro was up.
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Since the last time Stork beat JD he's 11-2 vs Zerg (and that includes 2 wins vs JD). Definitely Bisu-level.
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The "Lesson learned" pic from recommended games [set 6] is golden, made me laugh.
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Part of me thinks JD is up to something with this build. He purposely used it vs top toss. For sure Aztec is too small to expect to cover a lot of pressure even as a zerg. Notice how he got to hive before lurkers. Maybe some ultra play timing? Im not sure. Also, perhaps he was half expecting sair reaver, but SBG went ground heavy! Well for JD better experiment now than in the MSL! SBG so owns JD though when he is rolling!
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Jaedong losing to his own greed as usual. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Stork imba though, well played.
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On January 12 2011 15:33 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:30 moopie wrote:On January 12 2011 15:28 Lightwip wrote:
JD was expecting sair-reaver but Stork made a huge ground army instead of committing to sair-reaver.
Hence the lack of army. No. Stork did go mass sair + reavers. and JD knew just how many units stork will have since his scourge fully scouted the main several times and saw the gate count. JD just got greedy with that 4th and figured Stork wouldn't push quite when he did, allowing JD to macro off 4 gas and roll him. Personally, I think Stork's build is a reaction to Jaedong's build. When Stork saw fast 4th, he knew Jaedong had no units. So he basically filled his entire tech tree before making units. In essences, it was ultra-fast tech > ultra-fast expansion. And I believe Stork hit the perfect timing window right before Jaedong's macro was up.
Even if that were the case, the point still is that JD knew the gate count + saw all those zealots defending Stork's 3rd (before he moved out) and still chose to drone up instead of making units. Greed pure and simple.
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DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM!
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It only took him how many critical loses? -_-
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Daniel must be having an orgasm right now. :D
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On January 12 2011 15:36 Craton wrote:DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! <3 It only took him how many critical loses? -_-
Wonder if he'll remember to make two vs Modesty...
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On January 12 2011 15:36 Craton wrote:DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! <3 It only took him how many critical loses? -_-
lol
So true
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Oh yeah, call Comcast and complain about my cable (TV & Internet) dying several times.
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On January 12 2011 15:38 Craton wrote:
Oh yeah, call Comcast and complain about my cable (TV & Internet) dying several times.
They must be throttling.
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Aw man, this is so NOT what I wanted to see as the result.....
Why the heck is JD still losing to Stork/Bisu? If this happens, I worry about his chances in MSL, assuming he gets past Midas tomorrow....
What happened to your ZvP, Jaedong? =(
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man jaedong's ZvP has looked so much weaker/more vulnerable this season. I really hope he reshapes it for the MSL.
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On January 12 2011 15:36 Craton wrote:DO YOU SEE, STORK? DO YOU SEE? TWO CANNONS! TWO OF THEM! ♥ It only took him how many critical loses? -_-
So the record between Stork vs Jaedong's now this?
With 2 cannons: 3-0
With 1 cannon: 0-3
??
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Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL.
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On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL.
Yeah, it seems like the passive super-greedy style only works when the toss doesn't really know what he's doing (like Calm vs. Jangbi from the other day). But I think Bisu and Stork are good enough to penetrate the defense, and I think JD realizes that now. I'm positive that if JD meets Stork in the MSL he won't try this shit again.
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On January 12 2011 15:48 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL.
That was against Free. Then in the 3rd game he got rolled by 20 archons and 10 reavers in the epic pvz where he simply turtled and tried to get to hive tech.
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On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL.
I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch.
It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT?
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On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT?
Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1).
I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP.
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On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT?
I think part of the problem is that ZvP hasn't been pushed the same way as his ZvT. Apart from that Bo5 against Stork, Jaedong has had little reason to worry about his ZvP. He occasionally might run into Stork/Bisu in proleague but he's been taking a fairly complacent approach to those games, just doing the same stuff he does against any random toss.
On the other hand, in the case of his ZvT, he's constantly had to Flash/Light/Sea in Bo5s/Bo3s.
I think the fact that he might face Bisu or Stork in a Bo5 combined with the fact that he doesn't have to worry about Flash this season might make him put a lot of effort into addressing the problems with his ZvP.
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On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP.
Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him.
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On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him.
Well we can't know if it's just JD's PvZ in general or he hasn't worked out his timings on that map yet. Maybe he needs to rely less on the sim city and try to get those lurkers out a little faster. The way that map is built sort of seduces you to take the fast fourth cause you think you can defend the choke, but we see what happens. Either way JD's PvZ will be put to the test in MSL soon enough and we will see.
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Stork really prove that he is the best player in the world at the moment! And 3 wins over zerg is looking good for his osl semi vs modesty!!
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On January 12 2011 16:13 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Well we can't know if it's just JD's PvZ in general or he hasn't worked out his timings on that map yet. Maybe he needs to rely less on the sim city and try to get those lurkers out a little faster. The way that map is built sort of seduces you to take the fast fourth cause you think you can defend the choke, but we see what happens. Either way JD's PvZ will be put to the test in MSL soon enough and we will see.
MSL.....oh yeah that's tomorrow. Crap. I'm worried as hell.....
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On January 12 2011 16:51 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 16:13 Slow Motion wrote:On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Well we can't know if it's just JD's PvZ in general or he hasn't worked out his timings on that map yet. Maybe he needs to rely less on the sim city and try to get those lurkers out a little faster. The way that map is built sort of seduces you to take the fast fourth cause you think you can defend the choke, but we see what happens. Either way JD's PvZ will be put to the test in MSL soon enough and we will see. MSL.....oh yeah that's tomorrow. Crap. I'm worried as hell.....
Unless Midas cheeses, he is very likely going to join Leta and Stats as Jaedong's punching bag.
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On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him.
Anytime you get caught at a perfect timing (with your pants down) you always look like a baddie.
Lifetime:
Jaedong vs Stork 12-13
Jaedong vs Bisu 7-9
Jaedong vs Free 10-8
Jaedong vs Kal 15-4
Jaedong vs Best 5-2
Jaedong vs Jangbi 10-1
Jaedong vs Stats 7-0
I think that's pretty telling of Jaedong's ability vs any protoss. The very top Protoss can go even with him, but people even just a small step down get dominated.
Flash vs X
+ Show Spoiler +
vs Jaedong 23-20
vs Bisu 13-9
vs Stork 11-11
vs Kal 8-3
vs Best 5-4
vs Jangbi 2-2
vs Free 13-4
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after viewing his matches against bisu and stork it's clear that Jaedong's ZvP is currently pathetic.
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STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORK
FUCK YEEAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BEST MORNING EVER !
TAKE THAT HATERS, HE CAN ZVP
I'VE GOT TO SEE THEM ASAP
+ Show Spoiler +It's good for my fpl too =)
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On January 12 2011 18:08 crazeh wrote:
after viewing his matches against bisu and stork it's clear that Jaedong's ZvP is currently pathetic.
Just wait till you see him play a zvp against someone who is not stork or bisu, he'll crush them.
He is like 41 - 1 in zvp if you exclude his games against stork and bisu since like 6/19/09. The one loss came from kal, which didn't matter because it was a bo3.
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Stork you are honestly the sexiest man I know. Congrats on the wins!
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It is so disappointing that Oz can only send out either a toss or a zerg that can take off games.
Who needs jaedong when you have baxterrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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On January 12 2011 18:23 MuffinDude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 18:08 crazeh wrote:
after viewing his matches against bisu and stork it's clear that Jaedong's ZvP is currently pathetic. Just wait till you see him play a zvp against someone who is not stork or bisu, he'll crush them. He is like 41 - 1 in zvp if you exclude his games against stork and bisu since like 6/19/09. The one loss came from kal, which didn't matter because it was a bo3.
That's pretty ridiculous.
I know from the LR thread it seemed like Jaedong just failed. But it's really deeper than that. Someone on the Chinese board explained exactly why Jaedong lost, which I found very good analysis.
1. Huge distances between the two mains. And Stork obviously knows the map and understand the weakness in Jaedong's build order.
2. When Stork got his observer, he cleared all the burrowed lings around his base.
3. Stork showed that he was trying to get a 3rd. This was further "confirmed", from Jaedong's point of view, by Stork's attempt to drop a DT in his 4th. One that Jaedong foiled.
4. Jaedong had no lings for scouting. Nor could he place his overlords in proper scouting positions given Stork's air superiority.
5. Jaedong therefore guess, very very wrongly, that Stork was not going to attack and was choosing to harass. He therefore made mutas, which are very good for harass and almost useless for defense.
In essence, Jaedong's fatal mistake was not enough scouting, and instead simply made an educated guess at Stork's intentions. The end result was Stork crashing into Jaedong's 3rd with a protoss ball against very little defense, and rape ensued.
IMO, a lesser protoss would not have taken care of the details like Stork. They might just go normal and take a 3rd while trying to harass. They might have their build get scouted. Heck, they also might not have gone tech heavy and gotten templars/reavers before even adding gateways. Jaedong's build was likely solid against most the protosses. The reason he lost was because Stork(with practice and no WoW/anime/cellphone games) is not just any protoss.
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On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
what game is that ? o_o
i would like to see it
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Stork better prepare well for a rape in MSL, cause JD's revenge will ruthless
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On January 12 2011 17:28 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Anytime you get caught at a perfect timing (with your pants down) you always look like a baddie. Lifetime: Jaedong vs Stork 12-13 Jaedong vs Bisu 7-9 Jaedong vs Free 10-8 Jaedong vs Kal 15-4 Jaedong vs Best 5-2 Jaedong vs Jangbi 10-1 Jaedong vs Stats 7-0 I think that's pretty telling of Jaedong's ability vs any protoss. The very top Protoss can go even with him, but people even just a small step down get dominated. Flash vs X + Show Spoiler +
vs Jaedong 23-20
vs Bisu 13-9
vs Stork 11-11
vs Kal 8-3
vs Best 5-4
vs Jangbi 2-2
vs Free 13-4
thanks! that is a good piece of stats, we can all see, that Stork vs Flash/JD stats is the best. If only his ratio vs others was as good.
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chit I'm sad, damn it, JD, WHYYYYYY???
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On January 12 2011 21:15 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 17:28 Craton wrote:On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Anytime you get caught at a perfect timing (with your pants down) you always look like a baddie. Lifetime: Jaedong vs Stork 12-13 Jaedong vs Bisu 7-9 Jaedong vs Free 10-8 Jaedong vs Kal 15-4 Jaedong vs Best 5-2 Jaedong vs Jangbi 10-1 Jaedong vs Stats 7-0 I think that's pretty telling of Jaedong's ability vs any protoss. The very top Protoss can go even with him, but people even just a small step down get dominated. Flash vs X + Show Spoiler +
vs Jaedong 23-20
vs Bisu 13-9
vs Stork 11-11
vs Kal 8-3
vs Best 5-4
vs Jangbi 2-2
vs Free 13-4
thanks! that is a good piece of stats, we can all see, that Stork vs Flash/JD stats is the best. If only his ratio vs others was as good.
Stork's ability to play Jaedong consistently well over the years is one of the more remarkable things about him, especially when you consider how erratic his PvZ has been historically. Only in the past year or so did he even really reach the level where you can feel like he's a comfortable favorite against a mediocre Zerg that he's way better than. I actually think he's gonna crush Modesty, when 2+ years ago that would have been one of those potentially a nightmare matchups for him.
On the other hand, Stork vs Flash lifetime record is one of the most misleading ones out there. Stork went 5-0 against Flash in their first five games (in Flash's first two Starleague seasons as a pro) and since then Flash has consistently owned him. Yeah Stork has a few wins here and there but I can't even remember the last time Stork beat Flash on a map that wasn't great for PvT.
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On January 12 2011 20:49 lastmotion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
what game is that ? o_o i would like to see it
Jaedong vs. Free Set 2 of the ClubDay MSL Ro16.
VOD
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On January 12 2011 17:28 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Anytime you get caught at a perfect timing (with your pants down) you always look like a baddie. Lifetime: Jaedong vs Stork 12-13 Jaedong vs Bisu 7-9 Jaedong vs Free 10-8 Jaedong vs Kal 15-4 Jaedong vs Best 5-2 Jaedong vs Jangbi 10-1 Jaedong vs Stats 7-0 I think that's pretty telling of Jaedong's ability vs any protoss. The very top Protoss can go even with him, but people even just a small step down get dominated. Flash vs X + Show Spoiler +
vs Jaedong 23-20
vs Bisu 13-9
vs Stork 11-11
vs Kal 8-3
vs Best 5-4
vs Jangbi 2-2
vs Free 13-4
But you gotta remember how many of the v Bisus, v Frees, and v Storks where when jaedong was just starting to be good at his ZvP was like 40%.
It is pretty odd how well stork plays vs jaedong tho, compared to how much he struggles with otehr zergs
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Bisu is the only thing standing between Stork and dual golds IMHO.... with so many zergs in the MSL and this domination of the tyrant, he´s looking good in the MSL, while in the OSL he has to beat two of Modesty,  Fantasy, and Calm... which is almost lol worthy
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Argh I watched this live till Jangbi vs KIller game but I got too much sleepy so I couldnt watch the Stork ownage. Oh well refreshing youtube channels now :D
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Jaedong disappoints again to be honest. Why doesn't he go against the norm rather than with it.
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Stork is vZ peaking right now.
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omg, Killer vs Stork was one of the worst games I can remember seeing o.O So many stupid mistakes on both sides
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On January 12 2011 22:17 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 21:15 letian wrote:On January 12 2011 17:28 Craton wrote:On January 12 2011 16:08 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 16:03 Assymptotic wrote:On January 12 2011 15:58 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On January 12 2011 15:44 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Jaedong's ZvP is getting stagnant and boring. Good enough to roll most protosses but too predictable to work against S-class players like Bisu and Stork.
Remember the Jaedong that went 1 hatch lurker against one of the dragons, got scouted and still won anyway? And he did this when he was 0-1 in a Bo3.
Jaedong's ZvP is best when he's aggressive, especially against Bisu and Stork. Hopefully, he's got something better prepared for the MSL. I miss JD's aggressive ZvP. Those games were so beautiful to watch. It may be just me, but I don't feel the same spark of genius and ability to adapt now that I felt in JD's games during his ZvP streak. I'm not sure why he's doing these passive greedy builds. Am I the only one who thinks he needs to go rediscover his ZvP, like he did with his ZvT? Jaedong's only losses to Protoss this season come from Bisu and Stork, and I think one stray game off of Kal last OSL (which was from a Bo5 where he went 3-1). I wouldn't go as far to say he needs to 'rediscover' his ZvP. Okay, "rediscover" is probably too strong a word, but the way he lost vs Stork and Bisu make me think there's something missing in his play when he plays against the top PvZers, i.e. the Protoss who aren't completely scared of him. Anytime you get caught at a perfect timing (with your pants down) you always look like a baddie. Lifetime: Jaedong vs Stork 12-13 Jaedong vs Bisu 7-9 Jaedong vs Free 10-8 Jaedong vs Kal 15-4 Jaedong vs Best 5-2 Jaedong vs Jangbi 10-1 Jaedong vs Stats 7-0 I think that's pretty telling of Jaedong's ability vs any protoss. The very top Protoss can go even with him, but people even just a small step down get dominated. Flash vs X + Show Spoiler +
vs Jaedong 23-20
vs Bisu 13-9
vs Stork 11-11
vs Kal 8-3
vs Best 5-4
vs Jangbi 2-2
vs Free 13-4
thanks! that is a good piece of stats, we can all see, that Stork vs Flash/JD stats is the best. If only his ratio vs others was as good. Stork's ability to play Jaedong consistently well over the years is one of the more remarkable things about him, especially when you consider how erratic his PvZ has been historically. Only in the past year or so did he even really reach the level where you can feel like he's a comfortable favorite against a mediocre Zerg that he's way better than. I actually think he's gonna crush Modesty, when 2+ years ago that would have been one of those potentially a nightmare matchups for him. On the other hand, Stork vs Flash lifetime record is one of the most misleading ones out there. Stork went 5-0 against Flash in their first five games (in Flash's first two Starleague seasons as a pro) and since then Flash has consistently owned him. Yeah Stork has a few wins here and there but I can't even remember the last time Stork beat Flash on a map that wasn't great for PvT.
cant but agree, well I guess, what we have here is just maybe an interesting clash of personalities. It just happens so , that Stork feels himself confident against JD, when loosing badly to Shine. Dunno, but I always had that eerie feeling of failure, whenever JD was playing Stork. Anyway I wish Stork luck, I still think he deserves titles more than some Bisu.
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United States13143 Posts
I finally watched Stork vs Killer, and Killer's decision-making in that game was really bad. If you have gotten some speedlings in early to kill several probes, go 5hatch hydra, and then scout that the front has 8 cannons, do you a) tech up b) expand and drone up, c) both, or d) continue building nothing but hydralisks and mutalisks?
Killer went with d.
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KHAN has moved up to third in the rankings. Yeeeeeah.
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On January 12 2011 15:35 Q.E.D. wrote:
Part of me thinks JD is up to something with this build. He purposely used it vs top toss. For sure Aztec is too small to expect to cover a lot of pressure even as a zerg. Notice how he got to hive before lurkers. Maybe some ultra play timing? Im not sure. Also, perhaps he was half expecting sair reaver, but SBG went ground heavy! Well for JD better experiment now than in the MSL! SBG so owns JD though when he is rolling! it was the same shit he did against stats.. going for mass ultras off fast 4 base and building as little troops as possible before that. if stork had waited a bit longer before attack he wouldve been crushed by it too. And i hate to say it but jd has been teaching the same shitty build to other Zs in the team and they crumbled in the same manner,,
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Regarding the Stork vs. Killer game
Killer had a big advantage when he got the lings into Storks base and followed it up with the Hydras forcing Stork to make a lot of cannons at his natural. I'm wondering: Why didn't Killer take a 4th (and maybe 5th) base? Instead he decided to be aggressive off of 3 bases, like he did vs. Jangbi, only Stork defended it a lot better (and the map design made it harder to create a good arch for the Hydras) and once Stork had his third up there wasn't much Killer could do. I guess running the Mutas into cannons didn't help much either. Confusing decision making by Killer.
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On January 12 2011 18:08 crazeh wrote:
after viewing his matches against bisu and stork it's clear that Jaedong's ZvP is currently pathetic.
Obviously 2games against some of the best PvZers in the scene explain everything. Right.
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On January 13 2011 04:47 Emon_ wrote:
Regarding the Stork vs. Killer game
Killer had a big advantage when he got the lings into Storks base and followed it up with the Hydras forcing Stork to make a lot of cannons at his natural. I'm wondering: Why didn't Killer take a 4th (and maybe 5th) base? Instead he decided to be aggressive off of 3 bases, like he did vs. Jangbi, only Stork defended it a lot better (and the map design made it harder to create a good arch for the Hydras) and once Stork had his third up there wasn't much Killer could do. I guess running the Mutas into cannons didn't help much either. Confusing decision making by Killer.
Killer was not at an advantage. From what I remember the lings didn't really do that much damage and Stork still had a good amount of probes. Killer cut drones to get all those mutas and hydras that fast, and Stork knew if he held it off he would end up with a nice beefy Protoss ball and a better econ. That's the reason for the cannons - all Stork had to do at that point was not die.
If Killer had backed off after that and expanded Stork would have a way better econ while the fourth was making and make a huge army and roll the zerg's weak units easily. Trying to set up a lurker contain and snipe obs and expand was useless cause Killer already committed to hydras AND mutas. His timing and strategy in general was all off for that kind of play. That's just my impression from what I remember so correct me if I'm way off here.
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On January 13 2011 05:24 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 18:08 crazeh wrote:
after viewing his matches against bisu and stork it's clear that Jaedong's ZvP is currently pathetic. Obviously 2games against some of the best PvZers in the scene explain everything. Right.
it just doesnt feel right seeing jaedong lose 2 ZvPs in a row! it just doesnt!
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United States13143 Posts
On January 13 2011 06:54 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 04:47 Emon_ wrote:
Regarding the Stork vs. Killer game
Killer had a big advantage when he got the lings into Storks base and followed it up with the Hydras forcing Stork to make a lot of cannons at his natural. I'm wondering: Why didn't Killer take a 4th (and maybe 5th) base? Instead he decided to be aggressive off of 3 bases, like he did vs. Jangbi, only Stork defended it a lot better (and the map design made it harder to create a good arch for the Hydras) and once Stork had his third up there wasn't much Killer could do. I guess running the Mutas into cannons didn't help much either. Confusing decision making by Killer. Killer was not at an advantage. From what I remember the lings didn't really do that much damage and Stork still had a good amount of probes. Killer cut drones to get all those mutas and hydras that fast, and Stork knew if he held it off he would end up with a nice beefy Protoss ball and a better econ. That's the reason for the cannons - all Stork had to do at that point was not die. If Killer had backed off after that and expanded Stork would have a way better econ while the fourth was making and make a huge army and roll the zerg's weak units easily. Trying to set up a lurker contain and snipe obs and expand was useless cause Killer already committed to hydras AND mutas. His timing and strategy in general was all off for that kind of play. That's just my impression from what I remember so correct me if I'm way off here.
Stork built 8 cannons in his front before he moved out, that's an extra 1200 minerals in static defenses. I'm pretty sure killer could've squeezed out at least 1-2 rounds of drones if he didn't insist on attenpting to attack or engage at Stork's front.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Stork is on a roll!
I just watched the games on Moktira, unspoiled. He isn't even playing that flawless or brilliantly, he just seems to make every important decision right. When to attack, when to turtle or when to expand. When to play safe or when to risk something. All his experience plus a strategic sense and good maps do that.
Though I think on the long run JD and Flash will be on the top again, atm Stork is #1
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No, JD is falling into his "slump" again, where he can consistently beat lower players, but cant beat great players.
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Just yet got around to watch Stork vs Jaedong. The way he lost is probably the best thing that could happen to Jaedong right now. Against Bisu, he maybe could have attributed his loss to a very strong timing which is somehow fixible with some changes. But this game against Stork, he just got manhandled so badly, he hopefully realizes he has to really fix some things in his gameplay. He basically gets his fourth up uncontestet and saturated for a couple of minutes, a DT drop deals no damage (20seconds of mining maybe). 5-6 Overlords lost to scourges, but that's to be expected, and the failed Reaver-snipe was painful to watch, but those 18 lings or so would not have saved him later.
So when Stork moved out with his giant deathball off two bases, Jaedong has barely 3 control groups of hydras and 1-2 control groups of scourges, what the hell? That was not even remotely enough units to deal with that push, even if the mutas hatched 15 seconds earlier. This hive-rushing with minimal defences got dismantled badly and rightfully so. Hopefully Jaedong adapts to this beating.
Stork executed everything flawlessly here, he looks extremely scary. It's a joy to wach him play right now.
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Just watched the VOD for game 4, and all I have to say is that Killer is a fucking moron. He had ample opportunity to switch back to drones and take his 4th when he forced 60 million cannons at stork's front but he stubbornly stayed with hydras. Not to mention those 30 mutas he threw away over the course of the game.
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On January 13 2011 08:06 Weasel- wrote:
Not to mention those 30 mutas he threw away over the course of the game.
Haha, yeah, I nearly forgot that, but now that I remembered, these were probably the biggest WTF head into a wall moments in the last months.
He knew about Stork's NINE cannons at his natural so he wouldn't go there with Mutas only to try and snipe a few Templars? Ok, he did it, but wrong decisions can happen and anyone in his right mind would have learned his lesson, so nothing big. But not Killer, he did it again. This was so unbelievable for me. What a way to throw away an advantage.
And then he does it a THIRD time... I am still flabbergasted...
I mean, even if he DID get 4-5 HT's with his Mutas (which is unlikely given the amount of cannons and Goons), these Templars couldn't have done more damage to the Hydras with their Storms than those Mutas costed anyway.
I think in testing the opponent didnt have 9 cannons there and he completely and utterly failed at adapting his strategy.
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