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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
On January 10 2011 04:59 aidnai wrote: If mafia are confident enough that we have setup 2 to fake roleclaim, there's no need to roleblock anyone. That's frighteningly obvious I thought.... If mafia does indeed have a roleblocker, they wouldn't have known it was setup 2 until after their supposed blue snipe on deconduo. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
1. LSB/Kavdragon - Killed Night 1 3. Beneather/Bloody_C0bbler - Lynched Day 1 4. Deconduo/Chezinu - Killed Night 2 9. Flamewheel/Orgolove - Lynched Day 2 leaving 2. TheMango/Gmarshal/Foolishness 5. Meapak_Ziphh/Ace 6. KingJames01/Aidnai 7. Incognito/Subversion 8. Chaoser/Nemesis Based on my prior analysis of team 2, I am convinced that they are green. I know that I'm green, and I think it should be possible to come to this conclusion by analyzing my behavior as well. That leaves 2 scum out of 5. Meapak_Ziphh/Ace 7. Incognito/Subversion 8. Chaoser/Nemesis There are only two options here. 1) Nemesis is telling the truth. -Nemesis/meapak are clear, subversion is scum. -subversion fake claimed the roleblock, there is no roleblocker -We are in setup 4: 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Detective, 6 Town -Either aidnai/KJ or Gmarshal/foolishness/mango are the remaining scum team. Problems: -Assuming Nemesis is really a DT, why not pick orgolove night one? why not pick me night two? -I don't believe Gmarshal et al are scum. -Doesn't explain Subversion's complete lack of interest in the game. or 2) Nemesis is lying -Scum team is pushing an easy lynch to finish us off -Subversion is an apathetic townie, he told the truth about his roleblock claim -With no blues claiming and a mafia roleblocker, we are in setup 2 -The remaining scum team is between aidnai/meapak/mango-gmarshal -most likely remaining scum is meapak (since nemesis tried to clear them, and other teams are likely greens) Problems: -why would scum do something so bold when they were doing just fine without a fakeclaim? It's almost certain one of subversion/aidnai would have been lynched today anyway. For me right now, it comes down to Gmarshal being town. That right there proves to me that nemesis is lying. Of course, I need to convince Gmarshal/mango and subversion that I am town as well. Have you been able to talk to foolishness yet? I feel weird tooting my own horn, but if I have to, I will go back and analyze myself to show I can't be mafia. A HUGE issue for town right now is subversion being afk. If he doesn't show up and he is town, then the only way we get a town lynch done today is if we get our votes on a scum before they get their votes on us. Therefore, Gmarshal/Mango, I'm urging you to vote nemesis immediately, even if you aren't 100% convinced by what I say at the moment. If subversion really is scum, then town will be able to get a majority vote whether or not he shows up. If subversion is innocent, then it is imperative that we get our lynch votes ASAP. ##Vote Nemesis/Chaoser | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On January 10 2011 05:12 Nemesis wrote: If mafia does indeed have a roleblocker, they wouldn't have known it was setup 2 until after their supposed blue snipe on deconduo. Even so, the only person they could have roleblocked would be subversion, who is not around to tell us about it. If they roleblocked anyone else, subversion would be somewhat cleared. | ||
TheMango
United States1966 Posts
Incognito/Subversion (fake roleblock claim?) or Chaoser/Nemesis (fake DT claim?) are mafia. which leaves one more mafia among: KingJames01/Aidnai or Meapak_Ziphh/Ace. There is no 100% auto lynch candidate for me as of now, so I'm going to do some more indepth analysis later today before voting. I will say this though, the DT claim now from Nemesis to point out subversion as mafia seems a lot more convenient/suspicious, than a fake roleblock claim from Subversion that early into the game. I dont think I can pick between KJ/aidnai or meapak/ace and be sure at this point, so I'll probably focus on picking from the 'fake claim' pairs. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7430 Posts
 I died... | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
A HUGE issue for town right now is subversion being afk. If he doesn't show up and he is town, then the only way we get a town lynch done today is if we get our votes on a scum before they get their votes on us. Therefore, Gmarshal/Mango, I'm urging you to vote nemesis immediately, even if you aren't 100% convinced by what I say at the moment. If subversion really is scum, then town will be able to get a majority vote whether or not he shows up. If subversion is innocent, then it is imperative that we get our lynch votes ASAP. | ||
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TheMango
United States1966 Posts
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Nemesis
Canada2568 Posts
Why didn't I scan orgolove night 1? Because I wasn't really suspicious of orgolove. Chaoser just told me to put pressure on orgolove. Night 2, why did I scan subversion instead of you? Well day 2, as I have said previously, I was torn between voting subversion and you. I know that one of you is mafia, but I wasn't sure which one. Although, I voted you that day phase, I decided to check subversion as you seem to be going for his throat. Since you seem to be on opposite sides, If I check one of you, I thought it would be the same as checking both of you. Think long and hard on this one as this is LYLO and another mistake would mean game over for town. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7488394 Specifically this: think Nemesis' vote was fishy to say the least, and even though I don't trust LSB or Ace per se, I don't think they are scum either. I mean really. You don't even have a solid stance + the fact you appeared on both innocent wagons. I mean seriously how many times do I have to look back at your posts and see "I have a really bad feeling". You haven't exactly been committed to anything this game.But for now we'll ignore you. I think we have to roll with Nemesis here. 1.) No one else has been reportedly role blocked 2.) If Nemesis is faking a DT claim that's a sick play because of this: On January 07 2011 08:13 Nemesis wrote: I don't really see how that will be helpful to town. Right now I am suspicious of subversion and aidnai. I will make an analysis on them later and decide my vote. As for subversion's claim of being roleblocked, there is a possibility that he is lying, but he could also be telling the truth so it is a bit WIFOM. My senior chaoser is rather inactive, and only pms me once in a while. Nemesis did say he was suspicious of Subversion. If he's a real Detective then his Night Check would make sense since it follows up with him claiming he's suspect of Subversion right here. So with this in mind and no other role block claims I think it's best we lynch Subversion. | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On January 10 2011 05:48 TheMango wrote: I see, because if it's tied, it's whoever got their vote in first? That's correct Mango. I hope to god gmarshal shows up like right now because ace/nemesis are both here and about to vote for subversion... | ||
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TheMango
United States1966 Posts
voting now in case it comes down to a tie, but this is not a 100% confirmed vote for me, I may switch before the day is up. | ||
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TheMango
United States1966 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On January 10 2011 05:49 Ace wrote: See the problem here is that not only is subversion pretty much inactive but no one else has reported being role blocked. While Nemesis may be a fake DT claim I don't think so. For one I still think aidnai isn't Town oriented. Here aidnai, here's a post of yours I was just looking at here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7488394 Specifically this: I mean really. You don't even have a solid stance + the fact you appeared on both innocent wagons. I mean seriously how many times do I have to look back at your posts and see "I have a really bad feeling". You haven't exactly been committed to anything this game.But for now we'll ignore you. I think we have to roll with Nemesis here. 1.) No one else has been reportedly role blocked 2.) If Nemesis is faking a DT claim that's a sick play because of this: Nemesis did say he was suspicious of Subversion. If he's a real Detective then his Night Check would make sense since it follows up with him claiming he's suspect of Subversion right here. So with this in mind and no other role block claims I think it's best we lynch Subversion. Your analysis of me is laughable Ace. I'm the most outstanding figure in this game, I am pretty much singlehandedly responsible for orgolove's lynch, yet you say I never really take a stand? Here's a stand for you: Nemesis dies today, you die tomorrow. | ||
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TheMango
United States1966 Posts
On January 10 2011 05:55 Ace wrote: Mango take your vote off of Nemesis. It's majority lynch and you could end up costing us the game. If you think you may switch later take your vote off now. If you aren't sure DONT VOTE. what? I dont understand, as long as I switch before day is over, should I change my mind, its still safe right? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
On January 10 2011 05:55 Ace wrote: Mango take your vote off of Nemesis. It's majority lynch and you could end up costing us the game. If you think you may switch later take your vote off now. If you aren't sure DONT VOTE. Rofl ace, just switch your vote to subversion already and be done with it. Unless you're scared to be that obvious in case subversion really does show up? | ||
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aidnai
United States1159 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
So if you are claiming you were responsible for Orgo's lynch, and appeared on another innocent lynch wagon then why should I believe you? I just quoted a post of yours where you said you don't really think myself or LSB are scum but don't exactly trust us. You say Nemesis is fishy but you didn't vote for him. That's wishy washy. If you believe you are the most outstanding figure in this game and we haven't caught any mafia then yea, I think it's safe to say I don't mind lynching you. If you can present a scenario where Subversion is telling the truth about being role blocked and Nemesis must be a fake DT then show it. @Mango: If your vote is there and someone else comes in and quickvotes then it's an instant lynch. | ||
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TheMango
United States1966 Posts
On January 10 2011 06:04 Ace wrote: I can't vote remember? So if you are claiming you were responsible for Orgo's lynch, and appeared on another innocent lynch wagon then why should I believe you? I just quoted a post of yours where you said you don't really think myself or LSB are scum but don't exactly trust us. You say Nemesis is fishy but you didn't vote for him. That's wishy washy. If you believe you are the most outstanding figure in this game and we haven't caught any mafia then yea, I think it's safe to say I don't mind lynching you. If you can present a scenario where Subversion is telling the truth about being role blocked and Nemesis must be a fake DT then show it. @Mango: If your vote is there and someone else comes in and quickvotes then it's an instant lynch. Moderators, can you please confirm? I thought votes didn't count until day was over? Ace's explanation doesn't make sense to me... | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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