On December 10 2010 06:29 disciple wrote: fantasy should get #2, he is red hot atm, no question about JD's skill but he is kind of in sleep mode, cant really judge his skill without seeing how he will fare in the individual leagues. Imo Top 5 is smth like
1. Flash 2. fantasy 3. Jaedong 4. Kal 5. Bisu or Shine
I think JD should still be ahead of fantasy, but I guess we will get to see how well he does in OSL before the next PR anyway.
Sorry Bisu fans, but we have to admit that he should not be above dual league players (except Hogil, of course). Yes he is a Proleague beast, but SKT1 also has Fantasy so Bisu's status of MVP is diminished a bit. 6 through 8 could go any way, and #10 could be any number of players still in one individual league and having good SPL performance.
Kal for #3, easy. Fanta has a better record because he has been bashing b-teamers with the exceptions of Baby, whom Kal also beat, and soulkey, who beat fantasy. Fantas only real achievement over Kal is beating Zero, while Kal took down beesuit and Flash. No contest.
Seriously though, 12 game winning streak including wins vs 3 players currently on the PR (a 2-0 in a Bo3 vs #3 as a matter of fact), he's in both leagues (and undeafeated in both as well). It really doesn't matter than his style is... well, special. He is kicking ass for real.
On December 10 2010 21:12 Holgerius wrote: Flash has a new contender for the #1 spot.
Shine!!!
XD
Seriously though, 12 game winning streak including wins vs 3 players currently on the PR (a 2-0 in a Bo3 vs #3 as a matter of fact), he's in both leagues (and undeafeated in both as well). It really doesn't matter than his style is... well, special. He is kicking ass for real.
I'm very much going to agree with you. I seriously want people to stop saying Shine sucks.
On December 10 2010 22:02 flamewheel wrote: I'm very much going to agree with you. I seriously want people to stop saying Shine sucks.
I don't think that people really think that, it's more that many people see his style of play as somewhat all-in, and he keeps beating the guy with one of the more vociferous groups of fans here.
But seriously, look at his quality of opponent for a minute. Before today, who's he beaten that's any good other than Bisu? Everyone else he's beaten in his win streak is either slumping themselves, downright terrible or can't play vZ that well at all.
I think something like 1. Flash - nothing important enough to drop him off. 2/3 Jaedong/Fantasy - Fantasy has been looking great, while Jaedong has been looking kinda vulnerable. If Jaedong loses his next game and Fantasy wins, they should be swapped. 4.Kal - Doing well against good players, #4 ELO 5. Bisu - Tied with Kal in ELO points, and hasn't really lost much except that series against Shine. I think game 2 could be map imbalance though. 6. Shine - I feel like he belongs higher, but he goes under Bisu because Bisu, while only in 1 league, has past achievements backing the fact that he's good, but Shine does not. Also, Bisu has been more consistent for a longer time. 7. Light - Don't really know what to put here, just players I think did good. 8. Sea -^ 9. Neo.G_Soulkey-^ 10. free- really kinda dropped off from #1 protoss with uninspiring play and caused woongjin to suck.
Shine's record is why I think not giving past credit is a good policy for the PRs. Because we can just pencil him in for #2 because you can't argue with pure record and game content over a month. Purely record wise, I think we have to go Fantasy - Shine - Flash - Sea this month. I dunno if JD even breaks top 5 purely record wise for the month.
EPT
