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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On December 12 2010 15:49 Lightwip wrote: Hmm, yeah, maybe he should have a low spot on PR. Also, somehow the last few months have felt like Swarm Season minus Jaedong. What happened there? Uh, minus Jaedong? Dual leagues (again/still) and a 14-4 record is "minus" Jaedong? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 12 2010 23:03 Musoeun wrote: Uh, minus Jaedong? Dual leagues (again/still) and a 14-4 record is "minus" Jaedong? And you can't deny that Jaedong has been doing worse than Flash by quite a bit, and I'd say a bit worse than Bisu. He's pretty much lost any game against a player of a comparable strength, and he lost games to Hiya and Hydra. He's in dual leagues because he's seeded. He has yet to win a starleague game. | ||
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Zaxro
United States261 Posts
On December 13 2010 03:06 Lightwip wrote: And you can't deny that Jaedong has been doing worse than Flash by quite a bit, and I'd say a bit worse than Bisu. He's pretty much lost any game against a player of a comparable strength, and he lost games to Hiya and Hydra. He's in dual leagues because he's seeded. He has yet to win a starleague game. Flash is 13-3 since the OSL finals with Jaedong. His losses were against Kal, Light and Best. All three of those players are very good and are completely understandable losses. Jaedong is 14-5 since that finals. Jaedong's losses have been to Hiya, Hydra, Zero, Stork, and Light. The only questionable losses there are to Hydra and Hiya (both of them are good but not top tier players) one of which was a ZvZ and the other was a teamkill. 13-3 and 14-5 is a very comparable record, though Flashes is definitely better. The comment about Jaedong not winning a Starleague game yet is really silly, neither has Flash, yet that doesn't stop him from being #1. They each have only played one game in an individual league each so far this season. Also the fact that they were both seeded in both leagues (from Dual Finals) should give Flash and Jaedong the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On December 13 2010 04:24 Zaxro wrote:The comment about Jaedong not winning a Starleague game yet is really silly, neither has Flash, yet that doesn't stop him from being #1. Yeah, I know. I only mentioned it because someone else mentioned that they are in both leagues, when they are only there by being seeds. Both comments are irrelevant in my opinion. I agree that JD should be given the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that he lost to everyone good he's played is something worth noting. | ||
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kamizushi
Canada52 Posts
2. Jeadong 3. Fantasy 4. Shine Shine is on a 13 wins streak and the 3 others have been scary for a long time. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7212 Posts
On December 13 2010 03:06 Lightwip wrote: And you can't deny that Jaedong has been doing worse than Flash by quite a bit, and I'd say a bit worse than Bisu. He's pretty much lost any game against a player of a comparable strength, and he lost games to Hiya and Hydra. He's in dual leagues because he's seeded. He has yet to win a starleague game. Are you serious? Bisu got knocked out by Shine, AGAIN. | ||
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Toleaz
4 Posts
 Flash - Just too strong to put him anywhere but here. When it's going to end?2.  Jaedong - As usual, few ups and downs, but he is still ahead of the competition.3. Shine - Monstrous winning streak is a reminescent of Effort's meteoric rise.4. Fantasy - I bet he will fail to deliver in decisive moments, but now he does well.5.  Kal - no matter what happens, Kal simple belongs to the middle of the table.6. Bisu - he tries his best at the moment, but OSL curse >> Legend of the Fall.7. Stork - Without him, KHAN would probably Turn into cellphone gaming team.8. Hydra - CJ Zerg legend continues. Let's hope Hydra is worthy of the legacy.9. Sea - Out of six games, he loses two. Sadly, these two are often decisive sets.10. Neo.G_Soulkey - Please, focus yourself and take the next step to S-class. | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Fushin
France193 Posts
But i admit i haven't seen all his matchs since i hardly follow sk. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On December 13 2010 19:43 Ozarugold wrote: My ranking would be similar to Toleaz's but I'd swap Fantasy with Shine and Stork with Bisu. My reason is simply because I am slightly biased. I try not to be but both Fantasy and Stork seem more "stable" then Shine and Bisu respectively. This plus... On December 13 2010 20:45 Crisium wrote: ^agreed with Oz, except I'd also rather see free than Soulkey get number 10. Both have shown some downs, but free is still in both leagues, for now. ...this is what I'd probably do, although granted I'm not following BW very closely right now... On December 14 2010 01:48 Fushin wrote: I'm not so convinced about 4th or 3rd place for Fantasy. His r1 performance were disapointing, and though he's doing better, he did lose his 1st ro16 osl match, plus a PL match right away. He's playing free friday (osl ro16), it should be a good test to see where he stands right now. But i admit i haven't seen all his matchs since i hardly follow sk. He did break the 2300 barrier earlier this month, setting a new personal best ELO peak of 2310. Third in ELO, third in KeSPA with pretty substantial margins and fresh off a 12 game win streak. I'd be inclined to keep him as third on PR. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On December 14 2010 03:04 Mooncat wrote: It's really sick how Flash & Jaedong are basically deadlocked at #1 and #2 respectively until something really really noteworthy happens, like one of them dropping out of both leagues or some kind of insane losing streak. Yeah. Sick, but true too. So far, they've shown us that they've been miles ahead of others for quite some time now. When was the last time we saw a final without one of those in it or without both of them for that matter... | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On December 14 2010 03:04 Mooncat wrote: It's really sick how Flash & Jaedong are basically deadlocked at #1 and #2 respectively until something really really noteworthy happens, like one of them dropping out of both leagues or some kind of insane losing streak. If Fantasy had won his game against Modesty and then not failed amazingly against Movie, I'd be giving him #2 though. 14 wins in a row would have been ridiculous, and incidentally better than Jaedong and Flash have ever managed. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Actually, I see you're discounting the STX Masters' game and PL All-Stars. Yes, he had 15 games then. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On December 13 2010 20:45 Crisium wrote: ^agreed with Oz, except I'd also rather see free than Soulkey get number 10. Both have shown some downs, but free is still in both leagues, for now. soulkey's opponents were much stronger then free's also soulkey has a slightly better record with 6-4 vs free's 5-4 my ranking 1. ZerO2. Neo.G_Soulkey3.free 4. Really5. Crazy-Hydra6. Flying7. PianO8.Woongjin Stars 9-10 no one else is really dominant right now | ||
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