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The Broodwar scene is all about JaeDong and Flash right now so good move from the old pro gamers to switch to SC 2. Also, I don't think blizzard would have this "conspiracy" of getting the emperor to switch.
One thing I'm certain is that if KesPa removes all his achievements while in SC;BW.. there is hell to pay!
Btw, they're pretty much a very open-minded with the sexiest that is SC 2 right, I think with this old pro gamers coming from the scene, a lot of new strats will be open for us to emulate!
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At first I read this thread title as you being disappointed in Boxer for switching to SC2. I totally don't understand that perspective and I think it's silly if people actually think like that.
But from later posts it seems more like you are disappointed that Boxer is switching to SC2, which seems reasonable to me.
Personally I'm happy to see what he can do in a new game (still hoping he'll switch to Protoss! But SC2 Terran seems better suited to him)
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I'm not quite sure why anyone would be upset about his move. It means we should hopefully get to see him playing again and the thing is, Brood War is getting really old in terms of years of age now, it's not going to last forever and most games never will when it comes to eSports.
If people want to see the older players from Brood War playing again, the only real way it'll happen is with SC2 I think. I'd rather get to see Boxer play again, rather than never see him play at all.
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Don't worry too much. BW only became a true e-sports with the Korean government's support and ultimately it's survival will depend on how much support the government is going to give it. We shall just have to wait and see how this all plays out.
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On October 10 2010 03:57 Licmyobelisk wrote:The Broodwar scene is all about JaeDong and Flash right now so good move from the old pro gamers to switch to SC 2. Also, I don't think blizzard would have this "conspiracy" of getting the emperor to switch. One thing I'm certain is that if KesPa removes all his achievements while in SC;BW.. there is hell to pay! Btw, they're pretty much a very open-minded with the sexiest that is SC 2 right, I think with this old pro gamers coming from the scene, a lot of new strats will be open for us to emulate! kespa makes some weird moves from time to time, but they would never ever do that.
Boxer's days in bw are over. He is a symbol, not a player. I don't care what he does with the rest of his life except I hope he will stay in eSports, since he is a good representative, and luckily he'll do just so.
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Yeah, I'm with JWD here. There shouldn't be any reason to theorize conspiracies. I think anyone can believe that Boxer wants a chance to PLAY again and be that guy on stage holding the trophy, rather than just a coach, watching other players get all the glory, and quietly nurturing the industry (which quite honestly is corrupted to hell by Kespa corporate interests, cheaters (like Savior), and a new guard of god-tier players (Jaedong/Flash).
I don't see how Boxer feels there's anything left for him to do in the BW scene. There are established teams with corporate sponsors, so many leagues and tournies that last year the top players almost had complete meltdowns from exhaustion and overplay. The prize pools for tournies are more than enough to support a pro-gaming career for the best players. There really wasn't anything left in the BW scene for Boxer to do. If you can name something meaningful Boxer still had to accomplish in the BW scene and explain how Boxer actually has a meaningful chance of attaining those accomplishments, I might be more prone to believe the conspiracy theories, but the way I see it is Boxer's moving on because SC2 offers room for growth. BW offers none.
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Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching.
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On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote: Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching. This is downright disrespectful to BW fans who dislike SC2. I'm still not convinced IEM or GSL will foster a long-lasting interest in SC2.
As far as for the post itself, though I feel a bit sad as well due to Boxer leaving BW, he did the right thing as far as his fandom and his personal career go. What is more, he did it right. No leaving the team with a lie that he doesn't want to be a progamer anymore, no retirement lies, just a letter to the community and terminating his contract. I feel happy for him. Unless the MVP thing was a mistranslation though, MVP can suck something cucumber shaped.
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On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote: Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching. are you fucking serious? its pretty obvious that sc2 benefits from boxer switching, while broodwar is worse off. a large part of sc2 is currently supported by foreigners, and foreigners imo are very fickle about the games they play. if broodwar "rolls over and dies" then i'm positive its spelling out the end of starcraft. you can just kiss goodbye to your IEM and GSL and whatever other crap there is out there, because war4 will come out, or people will just naturally gravitate away because they're immature and realized that they'll never beat the koreans. dont be so ignorant of whats going on.
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One thing for sure is that I hope BW scene doesn't die since I enjoy watching that game
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As an old gamer myself, I think it is great to see grown ups like Boxer enter the fray.
And even tough I understand that you BW fans are sad to see this transition happen, Incontrol really put it perfectly:
There is a free tournament with tens of thousands of USD up for grabs in their neighborhood, with a scene that is still wide open for new talents.
Why wouldn't these people that don't see much chance to be no1 in BW use this opportunity?
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On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote: Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching.
Can't believe this guy hasn't gotten warned or banned.
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Boxer playing sc2 is better than boxer not playing sc1
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*Sigh*
Why don't people understand that Boxer, while legendary, is still just a gamer that wants to be the best in a game? He has no chances of winning or even playing in Broodwar anymore, and just coaching the game has no future or satisfaction for him and his fans.
Stop seeing him as just the emperor and god of starcraft.
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On October 10 2010 05:37 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote: Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching. Can't believe this guy hasn't gotten warned or banned. Well he has the same opinion alot of BW players have about SC2, just wanting it to fail, and they post as such, they would have to be all warned or banned for it too.
and did it ever occur to everyone that boxer may care more about his fans and his own enjoyment thann about brood war?
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Boxer was hardly every playing anymore anyways. The biggest difference is we'll be seeing him play competitively more, and he'll probably go farther. It's his choice to make and it's the right one. He wants to be successful at something new.
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I want to believe relaunched PL will be amazing enough to soothe pain he caused by leaving. It will be relaunched.
disciple it's hard to write something encouraging enough, something doubt free. I wish I could.
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On October 10 2010 01:48 disciple wrote: The symbol is gone, the captain abandons his own ship. This is the perfect analogy. It's quite accurate to the current situation.
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Boxer enjoys Starcraft 2 a lot and he wants another chance to be on the top. How can you be disappointed with him for that? He has taken the role of an icon for SCBW long enough and the scene will live on without him.
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Boxer has nothing left to contribute to the BW scene, he's been playing it for years and he's never going to be able to overtake the newer generation. If he retired from BW 2 years ago most people wouldn't have noticed. sc2 is new, fresh, less mechanics, and a chance to see boxer actually compete. You really want Boxer to sit on SKT1 Bench and practice a sc:bw all day? He can do what he wants. Who are you to criticize him?
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