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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 09 2010 21:07 GMT
#81
This is a sad day, even if we get to see him play more
In the woods, there lurks..
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
October 09 2010 21:24 GMT
#82
This is a really exciting time for SC2. I don't think he had much left to give in SC1. In SC2 he can lead the way just like he did before.
I'm really excited about it, though I feel your pain.

Boxer was a fan favorite, this is true, but he doesn't have the skills par to someone great like flash or Light. If either one of them left Bw I would be excited for SC2, but then I would feel terribly bad for SC1.
On the bright side, if you look at the pattern. A few of the very "old" gosu progamers switched to
SC2, this should mean that in time the tend will be for others to switch as well. Flash and Jaedong included. The thing that is bright about this, in my opinion, is going to be a BIG BANG BLOWOUT of epic games before SC1 korean leagues die down. I expect to see some epic games.
Wishing you well.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
October 09 2010 21:29 GMT
#83
On October 10 2010 04:53 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote:
Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching.

This is downright disrespectful to BW fans who dislike SC2.


The BW kids really need to calm down about this though. We get it, you only like BW and it's the only game ever worth playing. The "it's new so it sucks" mantra isn't doing BW players any favors.

This is at the point where BW fans get upset over losing players that haven't mattered to BW for years. Seriously, when was Boxer going to make his his big BW comeback? When was he going to develop that Flash/JD apm?

How long were people going to continue watching a game with graphics that were middle of the road in 1998 anyway?

+ Show Spoiler +
Not particularly aimed at you but just annoying BW fanboys in general.
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 09 2010 21:30 GMT
#84
im sad too boxer is moving. in no way in sc2 a better spectator sport then bw...
ugh
fuck
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
October 09 2010 21:31 GMT
#85
On October 10 2010 06:07 Iplaythings wrote:
This is a sad day, even if we get to see him play more

Care to elaborate? What could he contribute to the Brood war scene so long after his prime?
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
October 09 2010 21:31 GMT
#86
On October 10 2010 05:58 prototype. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 01:48 disciple wrote:
The symbol is gone, the captain abandons his own ship.

This is the perfect analogy. It's quite accurate to the current situation.


T__T sad sad day
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 09 2010 21:42 GMT
#87
He gave up a comfy salary to keep gaming. That's competitive spirit imo

He's never going to be a force in BW again, so he wouldn't be signing with SKT1 for anything but the money or to support the team from a coaching side (dunno if he does that)

zoast
Profile Joined February 2007
United States91 Posts
October 09 2010 21:45 GMT
#88
On October 10 2010 06:29 Offhand wrote:
How long were people going to continue watching a game with graphics that were middle of the road in 1998 anyway?

"were"? more like "are"

A: 12 years and still counting
I dont like stuff that sucks
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
October 09 2010 21:55 GMT
#89
Boxer's switch to SC2 was inevitable. I just can't wait to see his strategies.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 21:58:21
October 09 2010 21:55 GMT
#90
Sad he's left BW but it hardly impacts todays BW scene. I'm more happy hes being his own man, laying his life (ok maybe a bit overdramatic) on the line for the sake of his fans, rather than dissapearing into the background of SKT. If he can be the rolemodel for todays SC2 players then I'll be a happy man. Though maybe thats just my opinion.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
October 09 2010 21:56 GMT
#91
as famous as boxer is for sc:bw he really hasnt been able to do anything for a long time now. Just enjoy that game against killer when he nuked him on tornado. Furthermore, if you think this is terrible, Nada is the all time king of BW... So, I don't see why you are arguing this.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
October 09 2010 22:01 GMT
#92
I understand your argument, but you can't fault him for going. Realistically, he's never going to be on the A-team again (I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishments). He knows this, we know this, and he wants to be on top again. You can't fault him.

Besides this is good for Starcraft as a whole, with Boxer in SC2 everyone will focus their attention on it. Yeah I'm sad about what looks like the "death" of BW, but it was inevitable.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8114 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 22:09:51
October 09 2010 22:08 GMT
#93
it sucks just as much as when july was confirmed to leave. i have to let go of my longtime hopes of boxer ever becoming relevant to BW again :\

if he is actaully able to compete and "be boxer", then I will be OK with it. but if he just plays the way he played BW in his last year (judging from his all-stars games and heritage league games) and just plays standard then I will be really disappointed.

how the fuck is boxer supposed to be boxer in a game where you can't even build a barracks before supply depot?!?

maybe boxer will finally be the person to make sc2 enjoyable to watch, but i have a lot of doubts. i just dont see him being much more relevant to the scene than he was in BW, at least not a year from now. if he doesnt do good in gsl2 i dont think he will ever do good.
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 22:16:46
October 09 2010 22:10 GMT
#94
Your disappointment is misguided. Boxer playing SC2 is something entirely different then the current SC:BW scene. Boxer is a novelty in the game, just like Pele is to football. Nice having him around, but we don't expect a gold in champions league from him any more. The SC2 scene is still very new and bland compared to the variety of styles and personalities of SC:BW.
On October 10 2010 06:31 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 06:07 Iplaythings wrote:
This is a sad day, even if we get to see him play more

Care to elaborate? What could he contribute to the Brood war scene so long after his prime?

QFT. Gimmie a call when Sea or Effort start stomping all over the SC2 scene with custom made 18$ Starcraft Battle Chest boots.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-25 00:49:44
October 09 2010 22:19 GMT
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-09 22:26:34
October 09 2010 22:20 GMT
#96
On October 10 2010 06:29 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 04:53 mustaju wrote:
On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote:
Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching.

This is downright disrespectful to BW fans who dislike SC2.


The BW kids really need to calm down about this though. We get it, you only like BW and it's the only game ever worth playing. The "it's new so it sucks" mantra isn't doing BW players any favors.

This is at the point where BW fans get upset over losing players that haven't mattered to BW for years. Seriously, when was Boxer going to make his his big BW comeback? When was he going to develop that Flash/JD apm?

How long were people going to continue watching a game with graphics that were middle of the road in 1998 anyway?

+ Show Spoiler +
Not particularly aimed at you but just annoying BW fanboys in general.


Calm down about boxer leaving? The vast majority supports his move, though feels a bit teary-eyed for all the awesome nostalgic moments that have already been witnessed. His moves may not be capable of being replicated in SC2, and that still remains a concern, but as far as support goes, most are behind him.
I'd say that's pretty calm.
I stand by my quoted part, however.
Saying SC2 is better than SCBW is acceptable in my book. Saying BW is better than SC2 is (correct) OK in my book. Saying either of them should die is an insult to the fans of that particular game, especially in the uncertain state we're currently in.
The fact that BW fans can put up with ancient graphics (which I personally find beautiful, especially compared to the clusterfuck of SC2) and wake up at night to watch games live for 12 or more years should give you an indication how much the game is loved. Even the people earning their living with SC2 are still sceptical about it, so why do people preach that SC2 is THE way? In fact, however annoying BW fanboys are, SC2 fanboys reply to those people that it may become more like BW, as if that is a valid reason to lay down all the second thoughts and doubts that SC2 has generated within the half a year it could be played en masse. I hope you can at least somewhat relate.
BW fanboys should try to do the same thing, however.

On October 10 2010 06:24 Khol wrote:
On the bright side, if you look at the pattern. A few of the very "old" gosu progamers switched to
SC2, this should mean that in time the tend will be for others to switch as well. Flash and Jaedong included. The thing that is bright about this, in my opinion, is going to be a BIG BANG BLOWOUT of epic games before SC1 korean leagues die down. I expect to see some epic games.

Edited just to reply to you. Even if we'll get to see really epic games, BW dying is in no shape or form anything short of a catastrophe for me. If the SC2 expansions manage to change my mind, I'm willing to consider it a miracle and personally apologize to everyone at Blizzard whom I doubted.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
October 09 2010 22:20 GMT
#97
On October 10 2010 06:29 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2010 04:53 mustaju wrote:
On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote:
Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching.

This is downright disrespectful to BW fans who dislike SC2.


The BW kids really need to calm down about this though. We get it, you only like BW and it's the only game ever worth playing. The "it's new so it sucks" mantra isn't doing BW players any favors.

This is at the point where BW fans get upset over losing players that haven't mattered to BW for years. Seriously, when was Boxer going to make his his big BW comeback? When was he going to develop that Flash/JD apm?

How long were people going to continue watching a game with graphics that were middle of the road in 1998 anyway?

+ Show Spoiler +
Not particularly aimed at you but just annoying BW fanboys in general.


Why should we care which game has more shiny graphics?

I feel sad that Boxer switched to SC2. I can understand his decision but still it doesn't stop me from feeling a bit disappointed that he is among the first few progamers that made the switch...

Anyway, I hope that he will be very successful in SC2...
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
October 09 2010 22:31 GMT
#98
The OP is being selfish. There are two things that can happen.

1. Boxer switches to SC2. His fans get to see him play on stage once again.
2. Boxer stays with BW. His fans never get to see him play, and he remains locked up in the SKT house as a figurehead of the sport.

True Boxer fans should be celebrating this move.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 09 2010 22:39 GMT
#99
So . . . does this mean that we'll only see macro builds from Fantasy now?
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
October 09 2010 22:54 GMT
#100
As his fan, I would love to see him play more even if it's sc2 not bw
If you're true fan you should be pumped by his move...
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