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koreasilver
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disciple
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On October 10 2010 02:07 JWD wrote: I'm not sure what kind of "conspiracy theory" can even be suggested here. Like, so maybe GOM went to Boxer and said hey, we'd really love it if you came and played SC2? And Boxer said "yeah, then I can be on TV again"? How would that be underhanded, evil, insidious at all? I don't get what you're driving at. The reason Boxer's decision to play SC2 "sounds convenient" is because it is convenient, for all the reasons everyone has already pointed out in this thread. To be honest I think you are just about BW losing steam in Korea, and are looking for (really reaching for) rationalizations for your feelings. Yes, if I was GOM or Blizzard, I would've offered Boxer cash to play the game having in mind all the profits I'm going to get from it. Whats wrong with that? I'm not saying it was the actual case, but I dont care even if it was. Its business and I would think its something totally in order | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
The symbol isn't gone...the symbol is moving to SC2. That's the point  It's not a publicity stunt lmao, it's a "boxer wants to play SC2." How can you be disappointed at Boxer for helping push forward SC2 e-sports? Kespa is going to be bitter to the end - it's clear they don't want e-sports to succeed, they only want BROOD WAR e-sports to succeed. Gretech and blizzard have stated many times they want both games to succeed and be shown. Both sides have huge egos...which is the main reason why negotiations are not going well. All this fighting is over fucking timeslots because blizzard/gretech want to put SC2 in more primetime slots, and Kespa ofc do not want that. But when it comes down to it, gretech/blizz want both games to keep on going, whereas Kespa only wants brood war to keep on going. Guess what? Boxer probably wants the same. This guy is an icon you obviously know. Rather than being bitter like the corporates, he's just moving over to SC2, because he probably likes the game, and also wants it to succeed like SC1 did. So why would you be disappointed that the biggest e-sports icon wants e-sports to succeed as a whole, instead of just brood war? | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On October 10 2010 02:15 disciple wrote: Yes, if I was GOM or Blizzard, I would've offered Boxer cash to play the game having in mind all the profits I'm going to get from it. Whats wrong with that? I'm not saying it was the actual case, but I dont care even if it was. Its business and I would think its something totally in order, even if it happened I agree (not that GOM did pay Boxer—which is totally unfounded speculation—but that if it did, there would be nothing wrong with the transaction). But if you think it's "totally in order" I don't understand why you seem so upset about it. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
i agree with jwd that this seems mostly about your fear of broodwar's demise. if boxer finds merit in sc2, then you should give it a shot too. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On October 10 2010 01:48 disciple wrote: I know this is pure speculation, saying the Blizzard offered money to Boxer to switch games Here you are implying Boxer would accept to be bribed?? You cannot be serious man  | ||
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
Boxer made the best choice for himself - and his fans. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
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disciple
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On October 10 2010 02:16 JWD wrote: I agree. But if you think it's "totally in order" I don't understand why you seem so upset about it. because, even if I understand Boxer's personal motives to leave BW, when I put things on a balance it just seems irresponsible to me to leave sc1 right now, with all the uncertainty surrounding the upcoming season in BW. At least he could've waited for 3 months or smth like that for sc1 to get rolling again. I personally relate him to bw and even if I'm happy there will be more chances for him to be on TV, it was going to make me as a fan of both Boxer and bw more relaxed about the future of my favorite game if he was just there for a couple more months. Now its just like the worst timing possible | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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Flaunt
New Zealand784 Posts
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koreasilver
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
I consider boxer more of an e-athlete (or whatever someone doing e-sports is called), than just a BW player. I agree that Blizzard and Gom may have thought about paying boxer, but I really doubt that Boxer would accept such a bribe (maybe I'm naive). Even if he accepted it, I doubt he would let himself switch because of it. I would like to think that Boxer has a lot of integrity and that he won't participate in such stuff. I really hope BW and SC2 can coexist peacefully, both are enjoyable e-sports IMO and there is no reason any one of them need to dominate completely. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1648 Posts
Second best thing would have been if he started doing something completely unrelated, university, maybe an acting career (lol). But seriously, sc2? actively promoting a phenomenon that's about to cause the death of bw? Yeah it makes me a bit unhappy. I mean I don't really think of myself as an esports fan, watching computer games in general on TV has no alure to me. I am a brood war fan, I enjoy watching brood war. I guess this will be the final test, if brood war survives this then maybe it has finally reached a point where it's a real sport and not just a computer game. I don't think it will though, maybe if it weren't for blizzard's lawyers things would look different but as it stands I'm quite pessimistic. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On October 10 2010 02:32 corumjhaelen wrote: What's so hard to understand ? I agree with the op. It is a good choice personnally, but as I dislike sc2 and want bw to live on, I'm disappointed. It will clearly weaken the scene I'm pretty sure we won't see anything amazing from here, as there is nothing to see in sc2. But hey, I'll look his games, Nada's, and maybe will I be proved wrong. This just seems like an extremely selfish attitude: 1) Boxer is doing the right thing for his career, but 2) "I dislike SC2" therefore 3) I'm going to blast Boxer for his decision Show some respect for Boxer's choice. He's always had a gut for doing the right thing for eSports. | ||
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maareek
United States2042 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On the other hand, I understand that they want to be able to play again. But I suspect this will be short lived because as soon as a good player from BW decides to cash in, a lot of people won't be switching because they know they won't be winning much. I can't really say what I think about this topic because I don't really know what I think of it. Also, I honestly think Boxer is less relevant nowadays than one of TaekBangLeeSsang, especially Jaedong, even if you consider his past, because his fanbase is actually quite a bit lower than all of them. | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
On October 10 2010 02:21 NonFactor wrote: Haters gonna hate. Boxer made the best choice for himself - and his fans. Fans of broodwar are fans of boxer. Can you honestly say that this was the best choice for all his fans? | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On October 10 2010 02:35 JWD wrote: This just seems like an extremely selfish attitude: 1) Boxer is doing the right thing for his career, but 2) "I dislike SC2" therefore 3) I'm going to blast Boxer for his decision Show some respect for Boxer's choice! He's always had a gut for doing the right thing for eSports in the past no? I show some respect for Boxer's choice. I mean I even say that I'm going to try to watch him on sc2. Im' just not happy with his decision, and I'm saying it. That's pretty different. I'm not insulting him or anything. I guess the only disrespect is that I'm not following him blindly (never been his biggest fan anyways, even if I acknowledge his greatness). Well, back to not posting about sc2 anymore, should not have stopped in the first place... | ||
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