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On October 10 2010 11:18 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 10:41 JWD wrote:On October 10 2010 05:37 zerious wrote:On October 10 2010 04:41 Wr3k wrote:
Imo BW just needs to roll over and die anyways. It will never have the following it once did with SC2 out. If you are someone who is new to the esports scene you aren't going to be drooling over SCBW when there are things like IEM and GSL to watch. Let it die. It's good for SC2 that he is switching. Can't believe this guy hasn't gotten warned or banned. There's no reason moderators would react to that kind of post. What's offensive about it? Mods here don't warn or ban just for candid expression of opinion (provided it's in the proper venue). well it is blatantly inflammatory. i thought people got warned for that? not really sure on this criteria.
You are allowed to state your opinion, it may be offensive to some people however it's ok as long it's not directed at a person or group. Thus racism and any form discrimination are not accepted as they are directed at a group (or person) but saying stuff like religion is stupid, BW needs to die, homosexual marriage should not be legalised or eating meat is wrong are accepted.
To simplify opinion (even opinion of the minority or ignorance is accepted) as long as it is not insulting others directly.
It's wierd there are people want to see Boxer 'not play' any games. I am disappoint.
It just sounds like, I love BW and don't want it to die so I want Boxer to suffer. I want him not to play SC and just sit in BW matches. I am disappoint.
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Estonia4505 Posts
On October 10 2010 11:38 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 10:28 supernovamaniac wrote:On October 10 2010 10:25 Offhand wrote:
Only bothering to respond to the parts of the post that aren't ad hominem or some other logical fallacy. Hope you don't mind.
+ Show Spoiler +Better than trying to point out the obvious yet again... wait a moment... Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 09:53 supernovamaniac wrote:
I don't think you get the point of Boxer = BW till this announcement. He was one of the primary reasons why BW got so famous in South Korea. He was one of the primary reasons why many people started playing BW in Korea,
Boxer's a big name in BW, we all get that. Back when BW was relevant, it used to be great fun watching him dominate. But nowadays, he's just a once great player who lacks the mechanical skill to get past BW's admittedly horrible interface. He isn't innovating anything in BW. The whole reason he's famous was his innovation, unique plays, complete dominance over the scene. All those things are gone, modern BW is watching Flash/JD's inhuman apm execute shit perfectly. Fun to watch a few times, nothing worth following long term. I can't stop laughing at this post for 2 reasons: 1. You still have your facts wrong when I clearly stated out Fantasy vs Flash on Match Point (if you even know who they are, or what the map is... or what 2 fact vulture vs 14cc means) 2. You still try to 'kill' BW in this post Maybe if you have read my previous post, you could've stopped making fool out of yourself and prevented 1 from happening. But no, you had to go for double or nothing. If you want to argue more, take it to PM. I don't need more people turning teamliquid into english version of fomos. I see no use in arguing with a wall. Someone, anyone, tell me why Boxer remaining in the BW scene is going to do anything.
First, you might want to disprove his claim of BoxeR innovating SKT-s T play. Even though he suggested to PM, and even though this thread might not have much to do with this, I'd like to hear your opinion on BoxeR's role in SKT if only for you to prove that you have anything to say that is based on the current state of events.
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Is it bad for BW? Sure. I can understand being disappointed that BW just took a hit. But I don't understand being disappointed in Boxer, or thinking Boxer was "irresponsible", or anything like that in switching.
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Boxer is a person too. I think he knows what might happen if he switches but he sees this as a new future. Plus I don't think he's goign to make himself suffer if he wants to play sc2.
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tbh boxer moving on is meh. hes payed his dues, hes done all he can for the BW scene. i wish him the best of luck in whatever he does ^^
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if there was anything, i don't think its a bad choice for him. there's just no way he's ever going to be able to compete in professional bw today because of the level of skill and moving to sc2 will probably give him more room to explore his creativity. for all you know, he may pioneer professional sc2.
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United States10328 Posts
disciple: I agree completely. Though it's nice that we might see Boxer on TV raping noobs, the fact still stands that... without Boxer, what will Brood War as an E-Sport become? It's already "dying." But Boxer is the symbol, the epitome, if you will, of BW.
Well one thing's almost certain--there will be very very few new draftees (even fewer than the huge drop this past season.) So even if Gretech/Kespa negotiations pan out, the BW scene doesn't have long to live anymore 
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Whats up with all the hating? Boxer is no more in BW, even if he continued he wouldnt play on TV and would certainly not win even if he did show up on TV. Im a big fan of Boxer but there is a new generation of BW players now. So Boxers transition to SC2 will allow fans like me to see him again, Im superhappy about that
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
didn't read your post, but you're a fking idiot lol
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So according to you, Boxer should sit on a bench rather than go to SC2 and beat the shit out of noob foreigner players? Wow that strikes me as kind of selfish of you.
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YEAHHHHH BOXER DID IT!!!!!!
(Qualified for GSL2)
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I think it's a bit disgraceful of Boxer to move on to BW's direct competitor at a time when the fate of Proleague/OSL/MSL is so uncertain. I guess I expected him to care for BW enough to at least be somewhat concerned over its future, as well as the future of all the other progamers affected by the outcome of the negotiations between Kespa and Gretech.
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On October 10 2010 21:38 Tadah wrote:
I think it's a bit disgraceful of Boxer to move on to BW's direct competitor at a time when the fate of Proleague/OSL/MSL is so uncertain. I guess I expected him to care for BW enough to at least be somewhat concerned over its future, as well as the future of all the other progamers affected by the outcome of the negotiations between Kespa and Gretech.
He just sits on a bench! Its not like its Flash thats moving to SC2
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
while i sort of do understand you feelings disciple, we have to admit that boxer is done in bw. there's no way he'll achieve anything beyond, and it's a realistic fact that he has come to accept. sc2 is a field where he hopes to achieve his goal of being an active 30-year old progamer, not a sitting mascot (which i'm pretty sure someone of his caliber would hate to be). as his fans, we should be supporting his decisions no matter what, imo.
one thing i'm kinda sad about is that boxer didn't attempt to help resolve this IP rights issue, though it may also be because there's not much he can do about it when it comes to legal copyrights issue :<
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I think it's selfish for you to think like that. You can't honestly expect him to play cheerleader from the bench when there's an entirely new opportunity screaming for his name.
I think the problem is we want BW to last forever, when realistically, it won't.
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On October 10 2010 01:55 PaD wrote:A boxer fan wouldnt feel like that, your just angry because BW is going downhill. Blame Kespa not boxer, you should be glad to see more of him by playing sc2 ! 
Honestly? Watching SC2 is almost always boring, save for a few select individuals that I approve of. And none of them are on the pro scene. People who are streaming BW still are my heroes at this point.
But Boxer moving to SC2 could be seen as positive. If anything, Boxer's creative style might bring entertainment back into the games. At this very moment in time, SC2 gameplay is pretty uninteresting from the spectator's point of view. Maybe it's the graphics, and not the game itself, but it just looks sluggish and boring from the start.
Still though....after watching Boxer v. Idra, I still was pretty bored at the whole ordeal.
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On October 11 2010 00:11 Klamity wrote:
I think it's selfish for you to think like that. You can't honestly expect him to play cheerleader from the bench when there's an entirely new opportunity screaming for his name.
I think the problem is we want BW to last forever, when realistically, it won't.
He left BW cause he sucks at it, not because it won't last forever. Honestly, I am a little sad. I was also hoping he would serve as a figurehead of BroodWar forever and ever while remaining an ambassador of e-sports in general. There are plenty of athletes who remain in a sport long after their peak because it's comfortable and they remain popular.
And I also feel like he should remain committed to the sport he started to create in it's "time of peril." But he's just a human who decided where his best interests were. I hope he does well in SC2, and I hope his charisma helps propel it to new levels, even though + Show Spoiler +I think the game blows hard compared to BW (so far)
The thing about this situation for all progamers, fans of BW, and new prospective gamers is that there is no precedent for this sort of thing. So it will at the least be interesting to see how it unfolds. I'll def. watch his games in GSL.
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I feel like Boxer leaving BW will strip him from his legend icon. Sure, he'll be active, showing games to his fans but it just won't be the same. He's late to the party to get the innovator status that he once had, people have been doing all sorts of crazy plays since early beta. You know, Repairion, thor drops, etc.
If anything, Cool has that status, after his GSL win and Boxer will be just another player. If all he wants is airtime, that's OK I guess.Since GomTV has stated that they don't want team-based leagues, however, giving up his comfortable position in SKT1 is questionable at best. He's Boxer, but he's not guaranteed results in the GSL. I doubt sponsors would be willing to shell out quite the same salary he was getting as a BW pro, plus he's maybe closing the opportunity to continue his career as a coach.
I know that people will probably say that it's good to be taking risks, but perhaps this time the risk is too much. We'll have to wait to see what happens in the end.
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Brood war has had its run, nothing will last forever. Now it's time for the much newer, and more exciting SC2 to shine.
The BW scene has gotten to the point where everything is figured out and you can pretty much figure out how a game or a battle will turn out by looking. It's quite predictable at this point. This and the lack of competition vs JD/Flash makes BW even more boring. RIP bw.
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