EPTI wish they would just put people like him down.
I can't imagine someone being an even remotely decent human being if they are able to treat dogs like that.
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
I wish they would just put people like him down. I can't imagine someone being an even remotely decent human being if they are able to treat dogs like that. | ||
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BenKen
United States860 Posts
On September 22 2010 12:37 Sentenal wrote: As an Atlanta native, I echo pretty much everything he just said. Fuck Michael Vick. Same here, Atlanta resident too. Yes, when the guy takes off on a broken play or bombs the ball 60 yards it's electricity on grass, I admit that. But it's hard to forget how lazy, irresponsible and just completely disrespectful the guy was/is. Remember how about a month before the whole dogfighting thing blew up he got caught smuggling weed on a plane from Miami to Atlanta? How fucking stupid is that? You couldn't wait the hour long flight to just go buy some more with the bajillion dollars Arthur Blank was paying you? It was always one embarrassing thing after another with that guy. Fuck Michael Vick. | ||
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trancey
United States430 Posts
But as a humanitarian and believer in justice, Michael Vick is a piece of sh*t. I'm not one to judge someone for smoking weed (I live in California, it'll be legal here soon), but the things he oversaw with his close "friends" and the despicable things he did to force dogs to fight is horrible and downright ignorant. Like seriously man, throwing away the hundreds of millions of dollars to murder dogs with your friends? It's honestly like he's the 3rd of 4 Anti-Christs predicted by Nostradamus: "Mabus will soon die and there will come A dreadful destruction of people and animals, Suddenly vengeance will be revealed, Hundred, hands, thirst and hunger when the comet will pass. His hand finally through the bloody ALUS, He will be unable to protect himself by sea, Between two rivers he will fear the military hand, The black and angry one will make him repent of it." Okay, this is a little exaggerated at all BUT it's basically how society feels about Mr. Vick. Too much talent, too much money, and too much wasted. Vick -> White or a Vick / Turner backfield would have been epic for the Falcons. Oh well. Just enjoy watching Vick play this year and hopefully he does well until week 16 then flops in the first round (I picked Kolb first but picked up Vick immediately when Kolb left in Game 1 in my main FFL). | ||
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rredtooth
5458 Posts
On September 22 2010 16:13 BenKen wrote: as a DC native, i have no idea what you idiots are talking about. it's undeniable that he was a superstar in his prime and he's showing a shadow of that again with his play in the past 2 weeks. the Eagles are significantly scarier with Vick behind center, not to mention they got him essentially for free. i'm hoping that he'll continue to start (in every game except vs the Redskins) because i have lesean mccoy on my fantasy team and i'm sure that Vick will be better for mccoy's numbers than Kolb will.Same here, Atlanta resident too. Yes, when the guy takes off on a broken play or bombs the ball 60 yards it's electricity on grass, I admit that. But it's hard to forget how lazy, irresponsible and just completely disrespectful the guy was/is. Remember how about a month before the whole dogfighting thing blew up he got caught smuggling weed on a plane from Miami to Atlanta? How fucking stupid is that? You couldn't wait the hour long flight to just go buy some more with the bajillion dollars Arthur Blank was paying you? It was always one embarrassing thing after another with that guy. Fuck Michael Vick. remember how defensive coordinators were always bitching about how tough it was to gameplan vs vick? how imba is that? or that goddamn 10 yard dive touchdown in the 4th quarter to clinch the game vs the panthers? or when the cameraman couldn't keep up with his bullet passes (admittedly, regardless of how accurate he was). vick was a joy to watch and i have every reason to be glad that he's back except that he plays in the NFC East. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
I'm sorry that everyone at Atlanta is mad at him, but from the perspective of an Eagles fan, I've been really happy about Vick ever since the day he signed last year. I don't know if this is about "second chances." Vick had about twenty "second chances" with the Falcons, and he let them down time and time again with his risky behavior and shoddy play. But now it looks like he's shaping up, and I'm not sure why people are still holding a grudge after Vick got out of a friggin' federal penitentiary. | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
On September 22 2010 18:04 Jibba wrote: Do the Vick brothers even have parents? Because they're both terrible human beings. he is from newport news, VA aka one of the worst crime rate areas in USA. His parents were actually both in his life and married, but he grew up in a project. IMO his parents actually did an ok job, because hes not dead or in jail for life which is what happens to lots of kids from his area. | ||
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eazo
United States530 Posts
That being said, his personal life is a mess. By no means am i condoning his messed up dog fighting incident. But in reality, you can walk down the streets in the east end and see dog fighting. It was around him, its what he grew up with. In everything that pertains to Michael Vick, there will be an * by his name, pointing to the dog fighting. Now his brother is a tool. Imagine everything about Michael Vick that you hate x 10, that is Marcus Vick. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 22 2010 20:26 motbob wrote: I don't see where all the Vick hate is coming from. He did a shitty thing and did his time. Now he's playing better at quarterback than he ever did in Atlanta, which implies that he's practicing hard and applying himself to his job in a way that he hadn't before. I'm sorry that everyone at Atlanta is mad at him, but from the perspective of an Eagles fan, I've been really happy about Vick ever since the day he signed last year. I don't know if this is about "second chances." Vick had about twenty "second chances" with the Falcons, and he let them down time and time again with his risky behavior and shoddy play. But now it looks like he's shaping up, and I'm not sure why people are still holding a grudge after Vick got out of a friggin' federal penitentiary. He shit on our franchise. We're mad, we're angry. He quit on us like Lebron James did in the Playoffs. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
Vick could bring so much to the NFL as a unique and exciting QB but some football fans would rather he not be successful, for what? Some personal grudge when they don't even have a personal relationship with him? Because they don't believe in the justice system of the government of the country they live in? These are the reasons you wish the world would all have to watch Kolb play rather than Vick? You are just pessimists who, if you had any influence, would be proclaiming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Luckily you don't have any influence :o If Vick has an awesome career from here on out, we all benefit. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
The dog fighting thing was shitty, but what kind of prima donna, egotistical prick flicks off the people who are making him famous? That's like party foul numero uno in the world of professional sports. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On September 22 2010 23:32 Roffles wrote: He shit on our franchise. We're mad, we're angry. He quit on us like Lebron James did in the Playoffs. I've watched every single Falcons game in the past 10 years, Vick NEVER quit on them in a game. Infact, Without Vick, the Falcons would of been the first 0-16 team multiple times in the Mora years. You saw what happened when Petrino came to town, the horrible oline/team around Vick had to play without their savior, and it got owned. Theres a reason why Smith/TD basically turned the entire team over within 2 years, and theres only like 5-6 players left from the Mora days on the team now. The team was terrible beyond belief. Vick was the one that made them competitive. Look at the Eagles now, their OLine is horrible, so bad Kolb got dominated. Vick comes in, and they are looking like a playoff offense. He is a game changer, and never quit on any team. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32026 Posts
That is completely and totally separate from Vick the football player, who I also hate for being probably the most overrated player in NFL history. That I can back up with stats. On September 22 2010 16:43 trancey wrote: As a football and sports fanatic, watching an athlete with electrifying talent such as Mr.Vick is truly a sight. It's like being blessed with the opportunity to watch Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson play basketball. An extremely rare mixture of talent with the speed of a sprinter, moves of a dancer, and arm of a gunslinger all wrapped up in with twisted package. Holy shitballs! I understand being in awe of his speed and raw athleticism, but Vick was NEVER even remotely close to being an elite in his sport like those two. I'm gonna break this down into bullets, because it's easier. * No Superbowls (not the best barometer for success, but what the hell, since you somehow compared to MJ) * Career 54% passer and has been in the league since 2001. (currently at 66% through two games. You don't have to be a statistic nerd to see where this goes. If you think a guy who sat out two years of football will not just improve, but improve his accuracy a full 20% and keep it there, you are insane. * Terrible at reading plays * Never once close to leading any QB statistics. His career averages are most comparable to the 2009 versions of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Delhomme, Cassell, Freeman, Sanchez, Quinn and Russell. Great company! * People always say that you can't just take his passer stats. OK. Add in all his rushing yards and TDs, all his fumbles, all his sacks. That's like 3,200yds a season on average, around 20 TDs and just about as many turnovers. You're in the same territory as the above guys, ie. right around 15th in the league or so. * I particularly loved the shit in 2006, where every analyst was gushing that he finally arrived because he threw more than two TDS in a single game for the first time in his fucking career—IN HIS SIXTH SEASON. This was after Vick opened the '06 season by having a QB rating better than 77 once in the first five games that season.... and that two game span accounted for nearly 1/3 of his season's production. Positives: * Arm strength (The only guy in history with comparable arm strength is JaMarcuss Russell. How's that comaprison??) * Ridonculous speed * his 02 season was definitely nice when you combine everything... but he never came close to that again. 06 was nice rushing, but terrible passing and a terrible overall offense because of his stupid, selfish play. Forget Pro-Bowls, those mean absolutely nothing. His lone accomplishment is leading the league in QB rushing by a wide margin, and that 1,000 yd rushing season. On September 22 2010 15:49 Skyze wrote: I've been a Falcons fan since 1996, and I cant believe how bad Atlanta fans are. They really hate Vick so much, forgetting that Vick actually made us relevant for so many years. With Mora as head coach, he would of been 2-50 without Vick.. Vick made the team decent, enough to get to the NFC champ game.. Something Matt Ryan will probably never do. Mora never built Vick an oline or weapons around him, and the defense was beyond pitiful. If only we could have Mike Smith and TD's great minds (and actually building a TEAM! drafting OLine for once! a GOOD defense!) with Vick at QB, the Falcons would easily win the next 3 superbowls in a row. Unfortunately, we have Matt Ryan who throws so many picks and loses us games (steelers game 2 weeks ago??) and bleh. I still have hope, if Turner stays healthy.. but Ryan is overrated and no where near as good of a QB as Vick ever was. Falcons final D ranks; O-Ranks, per yahoo: 01: 25; 24 02: 7; 5 03: 30; 20 04: 14; 16 05: 18; 14 06: 16; 25 The team has hardly been bogged down by its defense. Only in 03 was that the case. Things to note: The team's best year was when Vick actually attempted throwing instead of taking off every play (02). 06, when he was a dumbass that ran all the time, his offense was terrible because it was so one dimensional. 03, when he went down, proves what an impact it is on the team because the playbook and personnel has to be tailored around one player that can't throw. It's different from how the Colts would suck if they lost Peyton, because all the personnel fit, but there's just a shit back up. Furthermore, you can't be a perrenial top rushing team with a shit line. Vick was sacked so much because he had no idea how to properly utilize his pocket to buy time instead of run. He always had a fairly good Oline. Oline just doesn't mean anything if your QB decides to scurry outside the pocket when pressured instead of step up, like how they teach you in peewee. And there was talent. Peerless Price was a good WR prior to ATL. He had Crumpler for years, a very, very good tight end. The running game was always nasty, even without him coming out of the backfield eveyr other play. And lastly on Ryan, are you kidding me??? Read the stats instead of going on memory. Vick had more interceptions in every season that he started except for one, and once you factor in fumbles, Vick is much, much more turnover prone. Furthermore, because he is able to pass efficiently, it keeps defenses honest. If they fall behind, they have the option to throw and conserve time, instead of being a ground oriented team trying to play catch up (like every year with Vick). | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32026 Posts
On September 23 2010 03:27 Jibba wrote: 62% completion against the Lions is like 17% against a real NFL team. Why do I have to create a wall of text, and you can pretty much convey the same message in one line~~~ | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Eagles fans shouldn't get false hope, they're going nowhere this season. I doubt they'll even make the playoffs. | ||
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Whiladan
United States463 Posts
On September 22 2010 23:45 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Every person who has done something terrible should be terrible for the rest of their lives? Why do so many people seem to want to live in a world that obeys some shitty rule like that? That's stupid. When someone does something wrong, you regret that they did something wrong but you shouldn't want the rest of their existence to be terrible, at the very least because that just makes your world worse, but hopefully also because you shouldn't want bad things to happen in general. Vick could bring so much to the NFL as a unique and exciting QB but some football fans would rather he not be successful, for what? Some personal grudge when they don't even have a personal relationship with him? Because they don't believe in the justice system of the government of the country they live in? These are the reasons you wish the world would all have to watch Kolb play rather than Vick? You are just pessimists who, if you had any influence, would be proclaiming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Luckily you don't have any influence :o If Vick has an awesome career from here on out, we all benefit. I feel the need to defend my views, so forgive me for rambling on off-topic about myself for a bit... Firstly, I freely admit to being overly pessimistic and more of an advocate for "eye for an eye" punishment than the current system. I've never watched a game of Michael Vick's...in fact, I could count the number of football games I've watched on my left hand, so I'm not basing my views on anything having to do with football. I could quite honestly give a shit as to whether or not he remains successful at what he does, so long as, when the time comes, he gets his due. Secondly, I do not believe in second chances. Call it stupid, that's your right. I've seen people (both people I know personally and people I have only heard of in the news) come back from mistakes, swear up and down that they've changed, and get nailed for the exact same thing six months later. I'll agree it sounds jaded, but that's because it is. I'll also agree that it's shitty world we live in, but there is no reason to be naive, because in my experience, people don't change. Lastly, you and I both are glad that people like me don't have influence in this world. I'm not trying to pretend like my views are viable or even possible in this world, merely silently opposing the injustices of the world we live in. It sounds melodramatic when I read it out loud, but oh well. tl;dr, the world sucks, life goes on. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Vick's starting Offensive "talent" around him.. Peerless Price.. Warrick Dunn.. TJ Duckett.. Matt LEHR, Shaffer, Weiner, Forney. Roddy white (who admitted himself, his first 3 years he just ate McD's everyday and never trained) .. Can ANY of those players start on ANY other team? No. Shaffer, Lehr, Dunn, Duckett, Price all played for other teams after the Falcons (teams like the Bucs, Redskins, Browns, Seahwaks, teams that are the worst in the league).. and they all got cut after one season. Thats called talent. Not to mention the coordinators.. Greg Knapp (OCoord) and Ed Donatell (DCoord).. Look what happened WHEREVER Greg Knapp went in his career..Oakland in 2007, horrible offense. then Seattle in 2009, he made Mora get fired again. The guy is the worst Offensive coordinator in the league, he ruined every QB in Oakland and ruined Matt Hasslebeck, and he was calling the plays for Vick for 3 years. no wonder Vick had bad stats. Matt Ryan has a top 5 RB in the NFL in Turner, the best TE of all time in Gonzalez, a Roddy White that is probowl calibur now that he doesnt eat McD's every day, and an OLine that was all drafted recently and are finally over 300+ lbs unlike in the Mora era. Not to mention a D that is better than any D in the Vick era.. And Matt ryan loses the first playoff game, then goes 9-7. Vick brought them to the NFC Champ game with a HORRIBLE team around him, and Matt Ryan cant even get a single playoff win with tons of probowl/hall of fame talent around him? Stats mean nothing when you have to take in account the talent around the team. Steve Young did great on the Bucs didnt he? What about Montana with the Chiefs?? If you took Tom Brady and put him on the Lions for the past decade, would he win more than 3 games a year? Most likely not. Therefor, you cant talk about Vick's stats. With a talented offense finally around him in Philly, he is putting up career numbers. Wonder why.. maybe a WR/TE that can actually catch the ball, and an OLine that doesnt get pushed back 5 yards every play? A Coordinator that isnt calling the same play every single play?? Vick will put up better stats than Matt Ryan this year, no question, unless he gets injured. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
And I've read on this post that some people on here actually want vick to die, or "put him down." But if you object that he should never play football, or be in jail forever, or be executed, that means you don't believe in the American justice system. And Manifesto7, I agree with your points, but it just seems that people care awfully more about dog's lives than any other kinds of lives. I mean, do you know how many chickens are brought for the sole purpose to eat them? Think of how many chickens that is. Do you know how many people in the world are murdered or die unjustly deaths? And yet, we don't really care too much about that, but all of a sudden, when a dog dies, we just go nuts. And Manifesto7, the only thing that matters, is that we agree that vick should get a second chance. Thats all im saying. I don't condone dog fighting and never will. And another good point brought up was that Vick grew up in dog-fighting. It is very common in newsport news virginia. I just find it wierd that so many people believe he should have gotten a longer sentence and all that. Which brings me to another point, if you don't think vick should have gotten a chance, then what do you think should be done to him? And what should he do for the rest of his life, if he even deserves a life? | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
he just ruined Madden '12. | ||
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