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On March 29 2010 01:49 tree.hugger wrote: ~OpZ~, I've read your posts on the last two pages, and I have absolutely no idea what you're advocating. Absolutely none. Your wall-of-text has nothing holding it together, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to prove.
You've advocated Day 2 lynching me, then XeliN, and then Caller over the last two pages.
Please stop spamming the thread. You, Versatile, Abenson, and the rest of your mafia compatriots should probably stop attracting more suspicion.
Sorry man. I gotta go to work...And I keep spamming I know, but whats the point? My wall of text? I explained what that was for, because the vote list for L should be considered very important. I was posting the arguments and who argued against him.
Wait...I got a brilliant idea...
Bye bye. ##Nuke: Tree.Hugger
-_-
I'm Canada btw.
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ignore the first 'my last post' did it in another order :/
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Now its a party.
Thank you for extending the day L.
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i agree with waiting out the rest of the day and night. as i stated before, if we launch any nukes at mafia, i think they will just shoot them down. lynching is the only surefire way of getting a red out of the game.
i'll say it one more time: i am not going to fire again without town consent. i have no reason to at this point.
also, there have been plenty of people who the town has suspected. to decide how to lynch them, i say we rank them in order of most suspect. here is my list, make your own if you don't agree with it.
1. caller: was anonymously saved and has posted very little. little to no posting is a mafia tell for him. 2. iaaan: scummy posting style pointed out by several players. 3. tree.hugger/versatile/xelin: for non-consensus nuking.
suspicious: LMNOP for attacking opz and abenson after mason claim. the one thing i'd like to point out here is that L also advocated for killing one to prove the other if i am remembering correctly, and he was a towny. and i believe one other person did the same as well.
then there is zona's inactive list, L's vote list, and the list i posted.
L's vote list (as of page 21): tree.hugger Versatile Abenson Fishball RebirthofLegend ~Opz~ d3_crescentia
zona's latest inactive list: iNfuNdiBuLuM: 31 JeeJee: 30 Iaaan: 29 meeple: 28 Fishball: 26 Amber[LighT]: 26 Nikon: 18 d3_crescentia: 14 nemY: 13 Abenson: 12 Caller: 12 Phrujbaz: 2
Versatile's suspect list: iaaan caller amberlight nemy d3_crescentia xelin nikon fishball
i'd just like to point out that fishball and d3_crescentia are on all three of those lists. just something to note. not putting FoS on them, but the fact that they're on 3 different lists, all of which were formed with different criteria speaks to the need for both to give more to the town and a necessary increase in pro-town behavior. abenson, nikon, iaaan, amberlight, nemy and caller are on two of those lists each. abenson voted for L to save himself and told us he was going to be inactive so i believe it's safe to cross him off. nemy has been kind of inactive in both this game and zona's game, so that's something to take into consideration.
i also think it may be interesting to see how zona's inactive lists have changed over the course of the game. not saying we will definitely get something useful out of them, but we should be looking for patterns.
i welcome thoughts and opinions on this post.
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On March 29 2010 01:49 tree.hugger wrote: ~OpZ~, I've read your posts on the last two pages, and I have absolutely no idea what you're advocating. Absolutely none. Your wall-of-text has nothing holding it together, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to prove.
You've advocated Day 2 lynching me, then XeliN, and then Caller over the last two pages.
Please stop spamming the thread. You, Versatile, Abenson, and the rest of your mafia compatriots should probably stop attracting more suspicion.
and where do you get off calling me mafia? i'd love to know your theory.
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On March 29 2010 00:06 Zona wrote: We have 3 nuke-initiators. If we get no further information I'm comfortable lynching any among them. But we haven't even hit the first night yet, why don't we at least wait to see what information surfaces before we talk about an event that's far in the future?
So why did you want me to post in this precise moment then?
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accidentally edited, whoops. Updated in next post.
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omg wtf. this is the day that never ends.....yes it goes on and on my friend...
lol.
well, i do think tree.hugger's last post is scummy in the sense that we're 63 pages in, and he hasn't questioned the mason claim but now he comes in and tries to say that opz is mafia with me? do you know how many times opz almost killed me for what i did to L? and why didn't he address this earlier?
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Ok I'd like to highlight this, if Tree.Hugger is lynched tomorrow and flips red then Versatile is going to be red as well, Tree's early post grouping "and opz versatile abenson" was very strange and tbh the post versatile just made as well as his seems to me forced mafia interaction, i.e. fake.
This is simply a hypothesis if Tree flips red upon death.
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On March 29 2010 02:09 Versatile wrote: omg wtf. this is the day that never ends.....yes it goes on and on my friend...
lol.
well, i do think tree.hugger's last post is scummy in the sense that we're 63 pages in, and he hasn't questioned the mason claim but now he comes in and tries to say that opz is mafia with me? do you know how many times opz almost killed me for what i did to L? and why didn't he address this earlier?
So... do you think he's going to get saved from the nuke?
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On March 29 2010 02:10 XeliN wrote: Ok I'd like to highlight this, if Tree.Hugger is lynched tomorrow and flips red then Versatile is going to be red as well, Tree's early post grouping "and opz versatile abenson" was very strange and tbh the post versatile just made as well as his seems to me forced mafia interaction, i.e. fake.
This is simply a hypothesis if Tree flips red upon death.
are you kidding me? you know what's worse than being attacked by someone for no reason? someone else saying you're in cahoots with them and it's staged. smh. tree.hugger is trying to paint me. he hasn't said one word to me all game, and now he lines me up with opz and says we're both mafia? c'mon. don't fall for the hype, xelin. think about this seriously please.
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Okay, it's good time for town to take a deep breath, calmly think about what has been going on, and try to kick some Mafia asses. What I listed below are four unconfirmed Townies who had their vote on L prior to ~OpZ~ revealing his breadcrumbing. Now, three people out of L list has been (somewhat) confirmed as Townie; because of the nature of L bandwagon, and with now certain revelation that L is pro-town, it seems to me that there must be at least one Mafia who would try to get their vote in amongst the wave of hate-mongering Townies. We should try to use this to make our day 2 lynch because of all the suspects proposed, this seem to be the most concrete material we can work with.
* Fishball -Is consistent on his hate against L
+ Show Spoiler +He really hasn't made any noticeable moves, didn't he? Only impression I gathered from reading his 28 posts was just about how much amusement he is having from this anticipated-nuke-chaos and his hate against L -_-;;;
Since there is not much to work about him, I'll skip him for now though it is possible he is Mafia adopting lurking strategy.
* d3_crescentia -Against revenge-nuke policy due to possibility of retaliation nuke -Justifies inactivity in the grounds that "[after RoL nuked Caller] it has been a pissing contest between L and friends" -Against using anti-nuke to save L and Bill Murray (reserve them for late game)
+ Show Spoiler +He is another one of inactive player, with 16 posts. Above three statements seems to summarize his contribution in the thread pretty well. Once again, could be lurking Mafia like Fishball.
He has also rejected revenge-nuke policy and using anti-nuke, but I am not sure he has done because he hates L or because he is anti-town.
* tree.hugger (tries to nuke L) -Against person with anti-nukes from stepping forward. -Argues that if L is not mafia, he might be saved, while if L is mafia, he will definitely be saved; also states that this nuke might force L to be more "friendly and constructive". -Reverates between attempt to answer L's statement and attack of his character. -Declares his intention no longer to nuke -Argues against revenge-nuke policy. -Shows regret about Versatile's nuke, said his nuke satisfied his intentions already.
+ Show Spoiler +Now we come to the big leagues, cream of the crop; the people who already sinned against the Town by launching their illogical nukes against those who we now know as pro-town.
My first point about him is in fact pro-town move. Nothing to say about that.
However, I simply cannot comprehend his reason for launching nuke against L. It is basically saying nothing; so if L is saved, it could be from either Townie or Mafia, but because I expect townie to follow my words and not save obviously pro-town L from dying, he is Mafia? What?
Also I cannot simply understand how launching nuke against L will make him more "friendly". Even to newcomer like me, looking at all the opinion anti-L players have about him, L is more likely to rage more rather than calm down when the nuke is launched against him. Good analogy: Will 6-pooling IdrA to teach him a lesson actually teach him a lesson, causing him to be good-mannered player thereafter? Yes.
He being one of the unique players who attempts to criticize L in calm logical grounds, I cannot believe why he would launch something significant as nuke for such simple, illogical reasoning.
Finally, let me say something obvious just in case some player did not realize this:
Displaying willingness to concede to Town's will after launching nukes does not prove he or she is Townie. In fact, while angry Townie may keep trolling against the Town, it is mandatory for the Mafia to "turn over the new leaf" because otherwise, Town will be FORCED to lynch that person to prevent him or her from launching more nukes in rage. Instead, by showing desire to no longer launch nukes, they could possibly have respite for few days while Town lets off their collective sigh and try to lynch off other suspects.
* Versatile (nukes L and Bill Murray) -"as far as someone nuking without town consensus, how about they get nuked by the person above/below them in the list? this would help in beginning to determine who may have what 'powers'"; later justifies this statement on the grounds that this stops multiple person from firing nuke simultaneously at the same time. -Stresses there must be game plan before nukes are launched in order to preserve town order. -Against using anti-nukes to save L (reserve them for late game), states that anyone revenge-nuking her will get counter-nuked as well. -Nuke L and BM -Launches slandering campaign against L -Proposes that anyone agreeing with her is likely Mafia -THE FAKE NUKE HITS HER. -Declares her intention no longer to nuke.
-Suspect list iaaan caller amberlight nemy d3_Crescentia xelin nikon fishball
+ Show Spoiler +I strongly believe Versatile is Mafia for several reasons.
Let me first point you to the first point I have against her. This is a direct quote. With second point, it seems like Versatile is pro-town player who is interested in keeping order at the Town. Yet at this moment, she is responsible for greatest chaos in this game and have caused death of two Town players. I cannot comprehend why she would metamorphosis into raging monster like this, only to "[turn] over a new leaf" when L is finally dead. Mafia players generally try to conceal themselves by following the atmosphere of the town (often vote bandwagoning); as same way, she could have tried to downplay significance of her nuke in all hate and panic caused by tree.hugger nuke launch.
Also may I state that the idea she proposed is highly illogical. It adds unnecessarily complexity to the revenge-nuke plan, and the loss from following this plan (Mafia finding out who has nukes) far overpowers the possible gain (prevents two townie from launching nuke at the same time unintentionally). Since nuke seems to Town's main and possibly only source of killing besides lynching (statement justified by the fact that even RoL's special abilities has been executed by means of the nuke), any move trying to find out owner of nukes and anti-nukes is anti-town.
Third, I certainly do not understand why she would have anti-nuked Bill Murray. I understand Townie taking action into one's own hands to get suspect he or she is 100% certain about, but why would one counter-nuke the person who is just trying to follow the protocol of revenge-nuke plan? Even if she is not Mafia, this move is so anti-town that I'll feel no guilt even if she flips Town after she is killed.
Only one thing initially hesitated me from lynching Versatile, and it is that BM's nuke flying toward her has not been intercepted. But once upon thought, Mafia will not intercept the nuke going toward her even if Versatile was Mafia. Versatile is non-concensus nuker whose crusade against L has been proved to be soundly wrong. There is no reason for Town to save her, and in fact considering how much non-concensus nuker Town has, Townie would be relieved that BM's nuke will take their hands off the matter of having to deal with killing Versatile.
Thus saving Versatile will be waste of anti-nuke b/c it will immediately make her clear suspect, and likely to be lynched off day 2. In fact I find that it will be more likely for Mafia to save her if Versatile had been Townie, so they can bandwagon against her day 2 and soak up the lynch.
Thus this is my current suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin
Now this is my plan. We should NOT nuke Versatile or tree.hugger day 1 because there is possibility they will retaliate-nuke. We should avoid possibility of having more nukes pointed toward non-suspect player because with so much anti-nuke fired the availability of anti-nuke has decreased significantly due to one anti-nuke from player per day rule (BM who died with anti-nukes demonstrate my point pretty well). Due to his special ability I do not believe Xelin to have multiple nukes so:
Thus ~OpZ~ nuke Xelin day 1, then lynch Versatile day 2.
HOWEVER IT SEEMS THAT OPZ NUKED TREE.HUGGER JESUS CHRIST.
Okay, revision in my plan.
Do not shoot down ~OpZ~ nuke, if tree.hugger do not retaliate nuke somebody nuke Xelin day 1, then we lynch Versatile day 2.
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On March 29 2010 02:10 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 02:09 Versatile wrote: omg wtf. this is the day that never ends.....yes it goes on and on my friend...
lol.
well, i do think tree.hugger's last post is scummy in the sense that we're 63 pages in, and he hasn't questioned the mason claim but now he comes in and tries to say that opz is mafia with me? do you know how many times opz almost killed me for what i did to L? and why didn't he address this earlier? So... do you think he's going to get saved from the nuke?
at this point, i'm not sure. one scummy post does not mean he's mafia. but i would like him to elaborate on why he said what he said. i do think firing the nuke was a bit premature, but i'm not really in a place to judge.
but hey, now that i've answered your question, maybe you'll answer zona's? do you have any ideas on where to go from here? what do you think of the plans suggested? who are your top suspects, beyond the non-town consensus nukers?
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All of it is hypothetical on Tree flipping red, if he does then yeah I'd consider you a possible partner in crime. Also you did vote for L, something you yourself list as a suspicious action and have currently Nuked a town alligned player. I have my eye on you....
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On March 29 2010 01:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2010 01:49 tree.hugger wrote: ~OpZ~, I've read your posts on the last two pages, and I have absolutely no idea what you're advocating. Absolutely none. Your wall-of-text has nothing holding it together, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to prove.
You've advocated Day 2 lynching me, then XeliN, and then Caller over the last two pages.
Please stop spamming the thread. You, Versatile, Abenson, and the rest of your mafia compatriots should probably stop attracting more suspicion. Sorry man. I gotta go to work...And I keep spamming I know, but whats the point? My wall of text? I explained what that was for, because the vote list for L should be considered very important. I was posting the arguments and who argued against him. Wait...I got a brilliant idea... Bye bye. ##Nuke: Tree.Hugger-_- I'm Canada btw. So much for Canadian pacifism.
I could nuke you back. But I won't, at least not now. I promised no more nukes, and I think I'll stick to that.
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There is possibility tree.hugger will delay his retaliation nuke until the last moment in order to encourage someone to vote Xelin. Thus if someone shows willingness to nuke Xelin, I will launch fake nuke toward Caller 6 hrs later so that player can launch nuke against Xelin AFTER tree.hugger is bombed.
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Haster you post that? go over the last two pages and please give your opinion of the stuff thats been posted. I don't mind you posting that but not at least going over and explaining why you think I am someone who should be lynched in light of my post defending myself and explaining why I shouldn't is just plain rude.
Seriously I'm hurt
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XeliN// Okay. I agree that I just refreshed the page just to see what happened and homed on the NUKE POST. Hold off nuking XeliN b/c he might have made a point I find agreeable.
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oh you have got to be shitting me, eh?
here's my addition to the current shitstorm. zona brought up a point where someone went "oh lul u want the night to start?? eager to use up your abilities huh?" implying him mafia. sure that's all well and good, we all know mafia get a nightkill this game, but hey. did you all forget L flipped medic? that means we also probably have the typical night roles like DTs in this game too. thing is.. the shorter the game is, the less useful they are. and at this rate i'm not even sure we'll ever get a rolecheck out of them before we blow the shit out of each other.
i mean for fuck's sake, do you realize this day started on march TWENTY THIRD? like SIX DAYS AGO? we have been launching nukes for 133 hours now. and of course there's at least another 24 hours of it thanks to canada eh. of course i can't blame him because he's quite likely townie and he *is* nuking a target that's been suggested by quite a few people. it's just that, hey, it's like the seventh nuke fired before night1. as douglas adams' Mr. L. Prosser would say -- "what a day"
now i believe L suggested me and haster nuking tree.hugger and xelin. i'm giving weight to this particular suggestion because he is confirmed townie. well, tree.hugger i suppose is no longer a choice at this point, but xelin's still there. i'd like to point out, for the umpteenth time, how i feel about nukes. if the majority wants xelin to get shot, fine, haster or I can probably take care of that. but if you think i am going to nuke without town consensus you're out of your fucking mind. i already made it quite clear that my stance is "say no to nukes" and gee, maybe this current shitstorm will help you see why.
all these inactivity lists that were brought up are quite interesting actually. i think suspects like d3 and fishball (i outlined them earlier as well) should definitely be looked at as lynch (or nuke... /rolleyes) targets. but hey, instead we're fucking nuking all willy-nilly. whatever works right? OH WAIT WE HAVEN'T EXPLODED A SINGLE RED NOW HAVE WE grrrr
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On March 29 2010 02:15 haster27 wrote: I strongly believe Versatile is Mafia for several reasons.
Let me first point you to the first point I have against her. This is a direct quote. With second point, it seems like Versatile is pro-town player who is interested in keeping order at the Town. Yet at this moment, she is responsible for greatest chaos in this game and have caused death of two Town players. I cannot comprehend why she would metamorphosis into raging monster like this, only to "[turn] over a new leaf" when L is finally dead. Mafia players generally try to conceal themselves by following the atmosphere of the town (often vote bandwagoning); as same way, she could have tried to downplay significance of her nuke in all hate and panic caused by tree.hugger nuke launch.
Also may I state that the idea she proposed is highly illogical. It adds unnecessarily complexity to the revenge-nuke plan, and the loss from following this plan (Mafia finding out who has nukes) far overpowers the possible gain (prevents two townie from launching nuke at the same time unintentionally). Since nuke seems to Town's main and possibly only source of killing besides lynching (statement justified by the fact that even RoL's special abilities has been executed by means of the nuke), any move trying to find out owner of nukes and anti-nukes is anti-town.
Third, I certainly do not understand why she would have anti-nuked Bill Murray. I understand Townie taking action into one's own hands to get suspect he or she is 100% certain about, but why would one counter-nuke the person who is just trying to follow the protocol of revenge-nuke plan? Even if she is not Mafia, this move is so anti-town that I'll feel no guilt even if she flips Town after she is killed.
Only one thing initially hesitated me from lynching Versatile, and it is that BM's nuke flying toward her has not been intercepted. But once upon thought, Mafia will not intercept the nuke going toward her even if Versatile was Mafia. Versatile is non-concensus nuker whose crusade against L has been proved to be soundly wrong. There is no reason for Town to save her, and in fact considering how much non-concensus nuker Town has, Townie would be relieved that BM's nuke will take their hands off the matter of having to deal with killing Versatile.
Thus saving Versatile will be waste of anti-nuke b/c it will immediately make her clear suspect, and likely to be lynched off day 2. In fact I find that it will be more likely for Mafia to save her if Versatile had been Townie, so they can bandwagon against her day 2 and soak up the lynch.
para 1: you're doing too much WIFOM with that line of thinking. you're right. as mafia, why the hell would i attract so much attention to myself? i have stated many times that i believe L is detrimental to the town. you may disagree with me, and that's fine. but that was my reasoning. i am not the only one to believe that, and i am not the only person who nuked him this game for that same reason.
para 2: what idea are you talking about? if you mean early on in the game, i was trying to help brainstorm a way to nuke non-town consensus nukers without a shitload of nukes being fired. i said that may be we should say okay, person A and/or person B will nuke non-town consensus nuker #1. and person C and/or person D will nuke no-town cencensous nuker #2. and so on. i NEVER said anti-nukers should step forward. i think that's a bad idea. so please do not accuse me of something i never did. i've done enough bad shit for you to harp on about, please do not make things up.
para 3: the whole BM situation got out of hand, and i've already admitted that. i nuked him because he nuked me. i figured, i'm dying, he's killed me, and i'm taking his punk ass with me. not saying it was pro-town, but i would think one could understand the want to take out the person who took you out. i obviously didn't know it was a fake nuke, and check my posting up until i found out it was. i was trying to leave my thoughts in the thread so that they could help the town after my demise. i believe this was pro-town behavior, if nothing else. there was no way i could know BM's nuke was fake unless we were both mafia, correct? AND HE WAS GREEN. so what does this tell you? there was no way that my behavior after getting nuked by BM was staged.
para 4: mafia will not save mafia? are you kidding me? what does mafia lose by saving me? nothing. what do they lose if they don't save me? a member of their team. mafia would not let mafia die because even if they thought it would paint that person guess what? they get to keep another member alive, and they could deal with the repercussions later. both townies and mafia have anti-nukes so this would not be an impossible task. if i had an anonymous anti-nuke save me, i would say you all definitely would need to nuke/lynch me asap. i''ve said that in the case of caller, and that town also needs to take a closer look @ LMNOP for that same reason.
para 5: well, i wasn't saved by anyone, was i?
i respect your opinion to lynch me. i've stated i understand why any townie would want to do so. but please take a look at your arguments first and see if there aren't better targets.
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