EPTGG.net bans all TSL2 abusers for six months - Page 4
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
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ms291052
United States24 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On December 18 2009 11:55 ms291052 wrote: F91's case, in particular, was special because he didn't try to cover his abuse, and immediately apologized and withdrew from the tournament. I say ban the other bastards, but F91's punishment needs to be less severe. He's an honest guy, and we all want to see him do well. Maybe because if he didn't do that Ash would've had to kick him from the team? He did the same as the rest and deserves the same punishment. The difference with the other abusers is he has a guy who backed him up. | ||
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Nanoo
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
EDIT: Although in some cases it's just a matter of "I'm sorry I got caught" | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 18 2009 11:14 sorech02 wrote: I believe you are wrong, as he has qualified, and is in Group H. I believe you are wrong, as this is not TSL. This is TSL 2. Don't correct people if you are wrong. Please. On December 18 2009 11:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: He was banned because he helped Lastshadow at WCG by being bm obs and messaging him with shit his opponent was doing? Although I do remember the TSL abuse taking place too. This was the case? Since I remember the LS abuse but I wasn't aware it was kawaiirice? I'm almost certain I heard some TL person say that it was from TSL somewhere... | ||
micronesia
United States24484 Posts
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dranjam
Poland198 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:09 micronesia wrote:Still, I feel like it should be made clearer ahead of time that abusers will be caught and punished. Does it say "murderers will be caught and punished" on a gun in United States? Do you know what common sense is? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 18 2009 11:55 ms291052 wrote: F91's case, in particular, was special because he didn't try to cover his abuse, and immediately apologized and withdrew from the tournament. I say ban the other bastards, but F91's punishment needs to be less severe. He's an honest guy, and we all want to see him do well. Yeah man, he's an honest guy but even so would abuse. =O A person murders someone, then after the police is just about to figure out who the murderer was, he confesses. He probably gets a smaller punishment than another person who didn't ever confess, but many TL members confessed in this situation. It's still likely that he has to stay in the jail for the rest of his life. However, if that man murdered someone and then immediately called the police and turned himself in before the investigation had even started and said that he regretted it and such... He most likely would get a sentence of like 8-10 years for causing a death. I don't know what that has to do with this ^_^ As mentined, what F91 did was damage control, not an actual confession. EDIT: Oh, and I believe that in, say, a popular sports-event with similiar prize pool would have the cheating contestant pay fines or something similiar if they get caught cheating. I remember I voted that maphacking and abuse and such weren't so horribly serious in the poll before. However, I was talking about just normal iccup seasons and, like, maphacking for fun on battle.net. This kind of abuse in a tournament with actual prize money on the line(a lot of it), however, is a completely different thing to me. I wouldn't find it unreasonable if they had to pay, say, 100$ fines per person, if that could somehow be enforced. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 18 2009 11:55 ms291052 wrote: F91's case, in particular, was special because he didn't try to cover his abuse, and immediately apologized and withdrew from the tournament. I say ban the other bastards, but F91's punishment needs to be less severe. He's an honest guy, and we all want to see him do well. On December 12 2009 07:02 Ash wrote: I'm not sure if hes chinese but I've just asked F91 personally if he knows that guy and f91 denied. I'll get replays from him later but I don't think hes stupid enough to cheat on two 3 mins games. he did not immediately admit it, he did try to cover it up. | ||
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micronesia
United States24484 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:36 dranjam wrote: Does it say "murderers will be caught and punished" on a gun in United States? Do you know what common sense is? The law is fairly clear about murder. There is no law about abusing TSL. Not a very good comparison. Also your claim about 'common sense' is unworthy of attention. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:36 Shikyo wrote: Yeah man, he's an honest guy but even so would abuse. =O You would not be singing the same tune if F91 played Protoss or Terran. An abuser is an abuser, plain and simple. And if you've seen the way he talks on China's BNet Attack he is extremely BM, you just don't see it during TSL tournaments but he is extremely BM. And as Idra said he tried to cover up his abuse first, and now he is just trying to save face. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
if you abuse you deserve this shit. 6 months is fine. i suggest 6 months on TL as well? | ||
JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:44 micronesia wrote: The law is fairly clear about murder. There is no law about abusing TSL. Not a very good comparison. Also your claim about 'common sense' is unworthy of attention. The law is fairly clear about thievery. There is no law about shooting the head of a person named bob smith(arbitary, any relations to real people are accidental and unintentional) on the top floor of a house. Common sense seems to be a mystery to some. On December 18 2009 12:46 Kyo Yuy wrote: You would not be singing the same tune if F91 played Protoss or Terran. An abuser is an abuser, plain and simple. And if you've seen the way he talks on China's BNet Attack he is extremely BM, you just don't see it during TSL tournaments but he is extremely BM. And as Idra said he tried to cover up his abuse first, and now he is just trying to save face. *beep* Scanning-for-sarcasm-detectors *beep-beep* fatal-error-main-component-missing-program-terminated *BOOM BOOM BOOM* | ||
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dranjam
Poland198 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:44 micronesia wrote: The law is fairly clear about murder. There is no law about abusing TSL. Not a very good comparison. Also your claim about 'common sense' is unworthy of attention. Well, how worthy of attention is your claim about being proactive? Those people's mothers didn't teach them over the course of 15-20 years that cheating may lead to punishment, why do you expect TL.net should be proactive about this? No matter how much you disregard common sense (and plenty of times I would agree with you on this), there's no way you can make me or most people here believe noone should be punished because there wasn't warning. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On December 18 2009 12:46 Mykill wrote: perfectly fair. if you abuse you deserve this shit. 6 months is fine. i suggest 6 months on TL as well? Liquid Nazgul said on the first page that the TL is going to be more severe so I'm thinking permaban | ||
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dranjam
Poland198 Posts
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
On December 18 2009 08:53 jalstar wrote: Why didn't you announce it before the ladder?!? Maybe these highly skilled players wouldn't have abused if they knew the full extent of the punishment. Common sense? In a tournament, you shouldnt be cheating? Cheating is also another word for breaking the rules? | ||
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