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I am bit disappointed that some writers seem to have "We don't care about the rules when giving punishments" attitude. This post is probably a bit repetitive what I wrote earlier. I hope it raises discussion.
Someone already compared this case to the 'real world'. If somebody breaks the law and gets caught, he will be judged based on the laws (rules). Same goes to sports; If somebody acts against the rules, he will be punished according the rules. In that sense 'criminals' of this case have already got their punishment according to the rules. In that sense there should be no case (further penalties) anymore.
Thus rules should be written how to deal with cheaters. By having rules it would also be one step towards the goal that in the future we could call this 'e-sports'. Quoting what StylishVODs wrote earlier:
"Giving the punnishment is a way to prevent abuse in future events. Stating what kind of punnishment there will be might prevent abuse in the current event. Having both must be the best way don't you think?"
We agree that just disqualifying the cheaters is not enough. But 'virtual death penalties' such as lifetime bans from the community are not fitting penalties either.
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On December 21 2009 02:11 Rabbet wrote:
It's pretty obvious that Nony is a little butt hurt from F91, I mean every single post he writes is in reference to F91.
I was wondering if gosu gamers's were privy to the evidence or did they just trust TL's procedures to catch the cheaters?
If you mean the IPs etc. then no. Other than that, the evidence TL.net presented does just fine for a sentence. Especially since no player claimed innocence. Had they done that we might have asked for more details. But so far TL.net has always been consistent and accurate in things like these and there is no reason they would lie about the IPs.
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On December 21 2009 03:33 See.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2009 03:09 KlaCkoN wrote:
Which is _exactly_ what he has been doing, in this thread and others.
It is very difficult to interpret in any way other than nony trying to get back at F91 for raping him in the past.
But desipte his seemingly fairly dishonest motives I have to agree with him though, F91 deserves the same treatment as everyone else, preferably lifetime bans from everything. OK this is getting ridiculous. Could Nony have recused himself in this particular matter to avoid a potential conflict of interest? Perhaps. This however is just reactionary and unnecessary. Nony is an administrator of the organization running the event, for him to get involved with the punishment of blatant abusers, regardless of his past history with select individuals, is perfectly acceptable. You have no evidence or basis to argue either way about whether or not this is revenge so please, just drop the topic. This is asinine.
Just to be clear, Nony has a TL icon because he is a member of the Liquid clan, but he is definitely not doing admin work or running the TSL in any way. He is a player participating in the TSL, it would hardly be fair for a player who is competing in the tournament to be an administrator of the tournament. The same goes for Drone.
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On December 21 2009 02:20 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2009 02:10 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On December 21 2009 01:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Apparently punishing the bad ones is part of the show.
Well, in middle age people used to go see people get executed on public place, I guess it is the same kind of entertainement.
I don't like abusers but the whole thing is a bit sad. There's definitely a hidden truth in your statement. Punishment has a couple of motivators: Redemption for victims, removing offenders from society, and a public statement to deter others from doing the same. The deterring others is clearly going to play a part in making the online environment a cleaner place. Calling what we are trying to do here entertainment is a cheap shot and ignores the actual intention behind it. I dislike more the prison keeper than his prisonner, or the executionner than the murderer.
Free Mumia!
I'm starting to understand why Paris named a street after a cop killer.
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edit: nvm didn't know
Btw it isn't Paris.
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no mercy for hackers / abusers
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gosugamers lol. what a terrible website.
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On December 24 2009 04:34 GW.Methos wrote:
gosugamers lol. what a terrible website.
lol
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On December 24 2009 04:34 GW.Methos wrote:
gosugamers lol. what a terrible website.
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Please don't insult or bash other websites, there's no need for that.
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gee gee net ain't all the bad
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On December 24 2009 04:34 GW.Methos wrote:
gosugamers lol. what a terrible website.
Top secret tip from the mods: posts like this make us look at your post history. When this is one of your better posts, drawing that kind of attention to yourself is probably a bad idea.
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The people who run and work at GG are great people and I'm glad to have worked with them. The majority of users are the ones who ruin everything and give a bad image to the site. I'm glad that they took these steps. LoC is a good guy who has a real passion for BW, I expected nothing less from them.
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