By the way, you know that my friend is doing a sociology study on how TL is "self-governing" through the mechanism of bans, DQs, and the like. This shit is fascinating, you guys are making academic history.

FragKrag

United States11567 Posts

December 17 2009 23:44 GMT

#23

haha good job GG.net though now I can't make fun of you as much anymore!

nice to see the sites supporting each other though.

edit: THE POWER OF ESPORTS

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

December 17 2009 23:49 GMT

#24

On December 18 2009 07:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think opposers of this are going to be in for a very very rough surprise once we come with our announcement.

Did I say very.

Wow, goooooood. Here I was thinking that there would not be any punishments for the people who got caught. Good to hear that there will be consequences.

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

December 17 2009 23:53 GMT

#25

On December 18 2009 07:34 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think opposers of this are going to be in for a very very rough surprise once we come with our announcement.

Did I say very.

Why didn't you announce it before the ladder?!? Maybe these highly skilled players wouldn't have abused if they knew the full extent of the punishment.

mikeymoo

Canada7170 Posts

December 17 2009 23:58 GMT

#26

On December 18 2009 08:53 jalstar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why didn't you announce it before the ladder?!? Maybe these highly skilled players wouldn't have abused if they knew the full extent of the punishment.

To see their truuuue colours shining through.

DivinO

United States4796 Posts

December 17 2009 23:59 GMT

#27

Thanks GosuGamers!

538

Hungary3932 Posts

December 17 2009 23:59 GMT

#28

On December 18 2009 08:53 jalstar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why didn't you announce it before the ladder?!? Maybe these highly skilled players wouldn't have abused if they knew the full extent of the punishment.

... ...lol?

{88}nataL

Canada2 Posts

December 18 2009 00:01 GMT

#29

I think the bans are absolutely pointless. Why ban them when all the abusers who didn't even get a look over because they didn't make it into the top 48 get a pass? Either hate cheaters enough to find them all and punish them all, or don't punish any of them.

This is my plea to get all the cheaters punished, I really don't want to see tommorow that they've decided to not ban the already caught abusers.

And I've seen at least 1-2 people who CLEARLY abused but weren't even the top 100.

As for Jalstar, you're an idiot. They didn't abuse with the intention of getting caught moron. So any punishments that would have been listed previous to the start of the iccup stage wouldn't have effected their decision. Especially so since some of these guys don't even play BW anymore, and only came back FOR this tournament.

Lemonwalrus

United States5465 Posts

December 18 2009 00:04 GMT

#30

Well nataL, what is the point of banning a cheater from tournament if even with cheating they can't make the cut for those tournaments?

Edit: It takes a lot of work/discussion for the admins to decide someone was cheating, and wasting all that work on someone who isn't competitive anyways is useless.

Edit2: Just my 2 cents. Also cheers to ggnet for their decision.

{88}nataL

Canada2 Posts

December 18 2009 00:06 GMT

#31

How many of the "new" "unknown" players who qualified for TSL2 might have abused last season but didn't make the cut so they weren't checked over? But with time they got better enough and decided not to abuse this season? Do you really want someone like that walking away with a title and cash prize that someone who's always played legit deserves?

Lemonwalrus

United States5465 Posts

December 18 2009 00:08 GMT

#32

I think you are underestimating the amount of work involved in what you are suggesting by a longshot. Yes in a perfect world we could catch all the abusers/cheaters. But this isn't a perfect world, and anyone we catch can just make a new account from a new ip and be some new guy that is really good but nobody ever heard of at the drop of a hat as long as the tournament isn't face to face.

HazMat

United States17077 Posts

December 18 2009 00:10 GMT

#33

Imagine getting banned from Iccup O.o

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

December 18 2009 00:24 GMT

#34

If you have clear evidence of abuse, please let one of the staff know so we can deal with it. Arbitrarily saying "i have seem 100% clear cut abuse in top 100" doesn't do anything for us...help a brother out.

Necosarius

Sweden4042 Posts

December 18 2009 00:31 GMT

#35

Well done GG.net!

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

December 18 2009 00:32 GMT

#36

On December 18 2009 09:01 {88}nataL wrote:
I think the bans are absolutely pointless. Why ban them when all the abusers who didn't even get a look over because they didn't make it into the top 48 get a pass? Either hate cheaters enough to find them all and punish them all, or don't punish any of them.

This is my plea to get all the cheaters punished, I really don't want to see tommorow that they've decided to not ban the already caught abusers.

And I've seen at least 1-2 people who CLEARLY abused but weren't even the top 100.

As for Jalstar, you're an idiot. They didn't abuse with the intention of getting caught moron. So any punishments that would have been listed previous to the start of the iccup stage wouldn't have effected their decision. Especially so since some of these guys don't even play BW anymore, and only came back FOR this tournament.

Most of them abused a small amount of games, if they knew the punishment would be more than missing the TSL they wouldn't have done it and we'd have a higher quality top 48

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

December 18 2009 00:33 GMT

#37

banning SOME abusers from events for an extended period of time is obviously waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than banning none.. especially if the only reasoning you give is "didn't catch em all"

Well woopdie dooo dude.. lol we got some and that is better than none.

zergpower123

United States197 Posts

December 18 2009 00:37 GMT

#38

perhaps TL should ban the players that cheated/abused from playing in TSL3!!! That will definately teach them.

meeple

Canada10211 Posts

December 18 2009 00:38 GMT

#39

I'm really glad GG.net is supporting us in this, and anxious to hear what TL has in store for those who abused.

aqui

Germany1023 Posts

December 18 2009 00:39 GMT

#40

On December 18 2009 09:32 jalstar wrote:

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Most of them abused a small amount of games, if they knew the punishment would be more than missing the TSL they wouldn't have done it and we'd have a higher quality top 48

Its not just about the points, they also smurfed against many of their possible opponents, which could gain them an advantage in an later encounter.,