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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'm now an anti-social and severely depressed recluse who abuses barbiturates. Woo~ I'll be going back to a psychiatrist shortly. Once I work up the motivation to do anything that isn't self-destructive or related to my nerd hobbies. | ||
micronesia
United States24495 Posts
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
The very best treatment for depression is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It is best when practiced with a therapist, however there are "do-it-yourself" books for it as well. CBT essentially changes/redirects your thought patterns. The way you feel is entirely dependent how you react to your environment. While the present symptoms of a major depressive episode are worse than those of chronic depression, major depression is easier to overcome. EDIT: CBT has a high rate of success. | ||
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micronesia
United States24495 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:15 JadeFist wrote: I've had chronic depression for almost 6 years now (aka dysthymia). The very best treatment for depression is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It is best when practiced with a therapist, however there are "do-it-yourself" books for it as well. CBT essentially changes/redirects your thought patterns. The way you feel is entirely dependent how you react to your environment. While the present symptoms of a major depressive episode are worse than those of chronic depression, major depression is easier to overcome. I am not suffering from major depression but I want to say from experience that this works well with sleeping problems! If it sounds like BS to you... don't worry it really isn't. | ||
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LightRailCoyote
United States982 Posts
Talk to your primary care physician, and he will probably give you some therapist referrals. Good luck, and feel better man. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
I've eaten numerous SSRI:s. They have pretty much the same effect, you feel "better" in a way, but more like numb. What worked more for me is exercise, cardio especially. Also get a good multi-vitamin, a B-complex and Magnesium. Eat well, sleep well, be pro-active and fix stuff in your life. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:15 JadeFist wrote: I've had chronic depression for almost 6 years now (aka dysthymia). The very best treatment for depression is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It is best when practiced with a therapist, however there are "do-it-yourself" books for it as well. CBT essentially changes/redirects your thought patterns. The way you feel is entirely dependent how you react to your environment. While the present symptoms of a major depressive episode are worse than those of chronic depression, major depression is easier to overcome. EDIT: CBT has a high rate of success. Yep. Cognitive Therapy helped me a lot when I still went to a therapist. eventually I couldn't afford it and now I'm the worst I've ever been. Don't stop going if it gets tough and if you can't afford it buy a book. | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:23 Myxomatosis wrote: if therapy isn't an option juts due to time constraints, are anti-depressants good for a quick fix? Well, they're better than other drugs since they actually help the chemical imbalances. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well, they're better than other drugs since they actually help the chemical imbalances. ...which aren't even proven. I've been following the debate for a long time and I've also taken psychology at University and there is much more to depression than serotonin. So SSRI:s are very uneffective unfortunately, but in many cases they are kind of a quick-fix because they numb all your feelings including anxiety and joy. | ||
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:23 Myxomatosis wrote: if therapy isn't an option juts due to time constraints, are anti-depressants good for a quick fix? They help some people. There are always going to be side effects though. I tried Wellbutrin, and while it had positive effects, it raised my blood pressure, gave me heart palpitations, and gave me paranoia. I know most SSRI's are notorious for destroying libido and for weight gain... It's up to you, but drugs don't fix what's causing your problem. CBT is actually really enlightening and I think you'd enjoy it. I recommend this book: ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rbB5HgqFL.jpg) | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:27 Foucault wrote: ...which aren't even proven. I've been following the debate for a long time and I've also taken psychology at University and there is much more to depression than serotonin. So SSRI:s are very uneffective unfortunately, but in many cases they are kind of a quick-fix because they numb all your feelings including anxiety and joy. well prozac certainly helped me a lot more than opiates are now. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: well prozac certainly helped me a lot more than opiates are now. I can see that. Some people feel pretty good on SSRI:s, some don't. I'm a hardcore believer in proper nutrition, good sleep, and exercise. Also there is obviously a strong environmental link to depression too so most likely your life isn't exactly how you want it to be. Start somewhere and try to change things | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:28 JadeFist wrote: They help some people. There are always going to be side effects though. I tried Wellbutrin, and while it had positive effects, it raised my blood pressure, gave me heart palpitations, and gave me paranoia. I know most SSRI's are notorious for destroying libido and for weight gain... It's up to you, but drugs don't fix what's causing your problem. CBT is actually really enlightening and I think you'd enjoy it. I recommend this book: I think your psychological mindset can certainly have something to do with it but drugs WILL cure the problem, just not necessarily the drugs you are on or can get. Everything in the brain and body is just chemical balances. There is no "feeling" or "magic" to it. Every mood and decision etc etc can be recreated using the correct balance of neurotransmitters on the correct postsynaptic receptors. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:32 Foucault wrote: I can see that. Some people feel pretty good on SSRI:s, some don't. I'm a hardcore believer in proper nutrition, good sleep, and exercise. Also there is obviously a strong environmental link to depression too so most likely your life isn't exactly how you want it to be. Start somewhere and try to change things I'm hoping my medical assistant classes help me since they'll force me to interact with people face-to-face. When I move to San Jose i'll likely make no friends and seclude myself and spiral downwards again. So TL.netters in San Jose be my friendz plz. | ||
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JadeFist
United States1225 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:32 NoobsOfWrath wrote: I think your psychological mindset can certainly have something to do with it but drugs WILL cure the problem, just not necessarily the drugs you are on or can get. Everything in the brain and body is just chemical balances. There is no "feeling" or "magic" to it. Every mood and decision etc etc can be recreated using the correct balance of neurotransmitters on the correct postsynaptic receptors. If you read the introduction to the book I recommended, it explains how CBT had a similar, usually better, effect on depressed people than drugs did. Chemically as well. Also, if you believe mindset is not not very powerful (not to put words in your mouth), I highly recommend you read this article: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-44-83/Limits-and-Illusions--Michael-Jordan-in-the-NBA-at-50.html | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
1: Exercise. 2: Eat properly. 3: Take your time to sleep. 4: Get good friends. 5: Start on a job you like. 6: Get a nice girlfriend. 7: Stop worrying about not being able to do everything of the above. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 06 2009 05:41 Klockan3 wrote: Here is a list of steps to get better: 1: Exercise. 2: Eat properly. 3: Take your time to sleep. 4: Get good friends. 5: Start on a job you like. 6: Get a nice girlfriend. 7: Stop worrying about not being able to do everything of the above. True. Unfortunately depression completely eliminated the motivation to do any of those things and the assistance of therapy/anti-depressants is almost surely necessary just to muster up the will to change ones environment. | ||
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