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On October 06 2009 05:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 05:41 Klockan3 wrote:
Here is a list of steps to get better:
1: Exercise.
2: Eat properly.
3: Take your time to sleep.
4: Get good friends.
5: Start on a job you like.
6: Get a nice girlfriend.
7: Stop worrying about not being able to do everything of the above. True. Unfortunately depression completely eliminated the motivation to do any of those things and the assistance of therapy/anti-depressants is almost surely necessary just to muster up the will to change ones environment.
Remember though, action comes before motivation, not the other way around.
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On October 06 2009 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 05:32 Foucault wrote:On October 06 2009 05:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2009 05:27 Foucault wrote:On October 06 2009 05:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 06 2009 05:23 Myxomatosis wrote:
if therapy isn't an option juts due to time constraints, are anti-depressants good for a quick fix? Well, they're better than other drugs since they actually help the chemical imbalances. ...which aren't even proven. I've been following the debate for a long time and I've also taken psychology at University and there is much more to depression than serotonin. So SSRI:s are very uneffective unfortunately, but in many cases they are kind of a quick-fix because they numb all your feelings including anxiety and joy. well prozac certainly helped me a lot more than opiates are now. I can see that. Some people feel pretty good on SSRI:s, some don't. I'm a hardcore believer in proper nutrition, good sleep, and exercise. Also there is obviously a strong environmental link to depression too so most likely your life isn't exactly how you want it to be. Start somewhere and try to change things I'm hoping my medical assistant classes help me since they'll force me to interact with people face-to-face. When I move to San Jose i'll likely make no friends and seclude myself and spiral downwards again. So TL.netters in San Jose be my friendz plz.
Forced interaction is awesome. Maybe people are different but I feel great after spending time with people I like. It's like this big energy boost
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My mom was.
But...I think she's better now. After meds and time off.
Too much work does that to you.
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I was depressed at one point.
Then I started trolling and converted by depression into cynicism.
Now I ball.
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if you think you have depression then you probably do.
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Drugs are for noobs. Try and work on things that help better your life. Eat well, sleep well, exercise well, keep busy and keep your mind off depression.
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I was depressed for some time as a result of anger and loss. Drugs made me worse, had side effects but then I got out of it with the help of RET (Rational Emotive Therapy), got me out of the loop for the "musts"in life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_Emotive_Therapy
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Working out/running/sports will make you feel better.
Just start winning at life through confidence and hard work and you will love life.
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I've been depressed whole my life. I'm currently visiting a therapist every week, yet nothing good comes of it. I mainly go just to please my mother. I've been on medication for months, but I didn't notice any change. Psychiatric hospital for over a year too. I can't seem to handle human interaction very well either. The more I socialize with people the deeper I seem to fall down.
To answer OP, rather than a bad mood, you don't really have a mood. It changes from people to people however. Some people become introvert and stop talking, others have very extreme temperament curves and anguish attacks. I think it depends on your personality a lot too.
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On October 06 2009 05:23 Kennigit wrote:
I was depressed for about 6 months. I got over it through sheer will power and telling myself "man the fuck up you little bitch". Once i embraced an attitude of raping life and becoming a Ripped Nerd Baller, depression disappeared instantly. Embrace it.
lol
On October 06 2009 06:31 Caller wrote:
I was depressed at one point.
Then I started trolling and converted by depression into cynicism.
Now I ball.
too bad you troll horribly.
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On October 06 2009 05:15 micronesia wrote:
Advice from a non-expert: If it is chronic (a large % of the time) then it is not simply a bad mood. However, you want to differentiate between brain biochemical imbalances and environmentally induced depression.
What exactly is a chemical imbalance? A different proportion of chemicals compared to a "normal, healthy" person? What's more can it not be said the depressed have a chemical "imbalance" since ultimately all emotions are the result of chemicals in the brain? I mean, if the environment makes you depressed then the depression must stem from some level of chemicals in your body. In which case why does a distinction need to be made?
This may sound like I'm being derogatory but my questions are genuine.
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On October 06 2009 08:01 Milton Friedman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 05:15 micronesia wrote:
Advice from a non-expert: If it is chronic (a large % of the time) then it is not simply a bad mood. However, you want to differentiate between brain biochemical imbalances and environmentally induced depression. What exactly is a chemical imbalance? A different proportion of chemicals compared to a "normal, healthy" person? What's more can it not be said the depressed have a chemical "imbalance" since ultimately all emotions are the result of chemicals in the brain? I mean, if the environment makes you depressed then the depression must stem from some level of chemicals in your body. In which case why does a distinction need to be made? This may sound like I'm being derogatory but my questions are genuine.
If you are living a very undesirable life such as with abusive people then perhaps it is the environment rather than the brain chemicals that are the trigger of the depression or whatever other condition.
If you have a hereditary problem which makes you experience emotions which are uncommon and highly detrimental to everyday life, then it may not be triggered by an external cue.
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Major Depressive Episode, according to the DSM-IV-TR criteria:
+ Show Spoiler +
A. Five or more of the following must be true, including either No. 1 or No. 2:
1. Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day.
2. Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in most activities.
3. Significant changes in body weight or appetite.
4. Insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day.
5. Psychomotor agitation or retardation.
6. Fatigue or loss of energy.
7. Feelings of worthlessness or excessive guilt.
8. Diminished ability to think or concentrate.
9. Recurrent thoughts of death or suicide, or a suicide attempt or plan for committing suicide.
B. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment.
C. Not due to a drug or medical condition and not a normal reaction to the loss of a loved one.
More types of depression listed here by their DSM-IV criteria. (scroll down to mood disorders)
I have two people in my life who have been dealing with depression over long periods of time. Anti-psychotics/depressants in combination with therapy have helped both of them. I have also heard several accounts, including from a professor in a public health class, that St. John's Wort can help with depression and does not require a prescription (unless you live in Germany).
In general, I'd say if you think you have depression, go talk to somebody who is qualified to accurately judge such.
On October 06 2009 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm now an anti-social and severely depressed recluse who abuses barbiturates. Woo~
I'll be going back to a psychiatrist shortly. Once I work up the motivation to do anything that isn't self-destructive or related to my nerd hobbies.
You seem like you know better than to be abusing barbiturates, especially while already depressed, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to strongly suggest you light a fire under your ass for your own well-being and get to that psychiatrist.
If only I were a mod...I'd threaten to ban you for motivation's sake.
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On October 06 2009 07:19 Monstah-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 05:23 Kennigit wrote:
I was depressed for about 6 months. I got over it through sheer will power and telling myself "man the fuck up you little bitch". Once i embraced an attitude of raping life and becoming a Ripped Nerd Baller, depression disappeared instantly. Embrace it. lol Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 06:31 Caller wrote:
I was depressed at one point.
Then I started trolling and converted by depression into cynicism.
Now I ball. too bad you troll horribly.
oh you told me goddamn
that burns like a sausage on the charcoal
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On October 06 2009 08:14 MTF wrote:Major Depressive Episode, according to the DSM-IV-TR criteria: + Show Spoiler +
A. Five or more of the following must be true, including either No. 1 or No. 2:
1. Depressed mood most of the day, nearly every day.
2. Markedly diminished interest or pleasure in most activities.
3. Significant changes in body weight or appetite.
4. Insomnia or hypersomnia nearly every day.
5. Psychomotor agitation or retardation.
6. Fatigue or loss of energy.
7. Feelings of worthlessness or excessive guilt.
8. Diminished ability to think or concentrate.
9. Recurrent thoughts of death or suicide, or a suicide attempt or plan for committing suicide.
B. The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment.
C. Not due to a drug or medical condition and not a normal reaction to the loss of a loved one.
More types of depression listed here by their DSM-IV criteria. (scroll down to mood disorders) I have two people in my life who have been dealing with depression over long periods of time. Anti-psychotics/depressants in combination with therapy have helped both of them. I have also heard several accounts, including from a professor in a public health class, that St. John's Wort can help with depression and does not require a prescription (unless you live in Germany). In general, I'd say if you think you have depression, go talk to somebody who is qualified to accurately judge such. Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm now an anti-social and severely depressed recluse who abuses barbiturates. Woo~
I'll be going back to a psychiatrist shortly. Once I work up the motivation to do anything that isn't self-destructive or related to my nerd hobbies. You seem like you know better than to be abusing barbiturates, especially while already depressed, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to strongly suggest you light a fire under your ass for your own well-being and get to that psychiatrist. If only I were a mod...I'd threaten to ban you for motivation's sake.
I'm have an appointment. Drugs and confidence are my problem not TeamLiquid. TL builds my confidence ^^
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On October 06 2009 05:41 Klockan3 wrote:
Here is a list of steps to get better:
1: Exercise.
2: Eat properly.
3: Take your time to sleep.
4: Get good friends.
5: Start on a job you like.
6: Get a nice girlfriend.
7: Stop worrying about not being able to do everything of the above.
Exercising is so important imo. A healthy body really does create a healthy mind. Not only is your body and brain functioning better because of your health, but your outward appearance is better and gives you a better overall feeling of self.
set a goal and rape it. Carpe Diem
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On October 06 2009 05:19 Foucault wrote:
Yep, I have when I was around 20, like 10 years ago now.
I've eaten numerous SSRI:s. They have pretty much the same effect, you feel "better" in a way, but more like numb.
What worked more for me is exercise, cardio especially. Also get a good multi-vitamin, a B-complex and Magnesium. Eat well, sleep well, be pro-active and fix stuff in your life.
Supplement Vitamin D too
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On October 06 2009 08:33 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 05:41 Klockan3 wrote:
Here is a list of steps to get better:
1: Exercise.
2: Eat properly.
3: Take your time to sleep.
4: Get good friends.
5: Start on a job you like.
6: Get a nice girlfriend.
7: Stop worrying about not being able to do everything of the above. Exercising is so important imo. A healthy body really does create a healthy mind. Not only is your body and brain functioning better because of your health, but your outward appearance is better and gives you a better overall feeling of self. set a goal and rape it. Carpe Diem
that and it releases endorphins which is win
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I have been depressed for several years now. It took a long time until I realized it, though. Only after I wrote out some of my thoughts and the long list of things I was unhappy with, I came to the conclusion that there might be something wrong with me. At first I tried to deal with it myself, reading everything even remotely associated with the topic - over the course of the years, I have read close to hundred books concerning depression, happiness, CBT etc. To no avail.
It took a long time until I decided to visit a therapist, because I hated to admit that I couldn't deal with the situation myself. Accepting this is really important though, otherwise you have no foundation for your healing-process.
Finding a therapist was an odyssey, often talking to people who would try to prescribe me drugs over the phone without having seen me even once or at our first meeting after only a few words. It didn't inspire confidence in me. However, I eventually found someone I thought trustworthy. When you are looking for a therapist, you should ask yourself if you are prepared to entrust this person with at least some of your more personal (and possibly darker) thoughts. Don't even bother to visit him or her if that is not the case, because you will make no progress at all when there is not at least a fraction of trust between you. It is also very important to be brutally honest, because everytime you deny your thoughts or the state you are in, it becomes a lot more difficult for the other person to break through this wall of deception and actually start helping you.
At first, the sessions seemed to help - I had someone I could talk to about things which put a great burden on my soul. Every so often, only speaking out loud some thoughts I had wrestled with countless times would make them bear easier. But now, after some months, I am still the same person with the same negative beliefs about me and life in general. We only talk and try to deal with the symptoms, but my depression itself still remains and hasn't changed at all. To be honest, the only reason I am not looking for another therapist is because I would loathe to tell the same excruciating story about my life _yet again_ for hours.
I never took or wanted anti-depressants, especially not after I learned about some of the side effects. I can't even begin to describe how wrong some people are about depression in general - believe me, doing sports or setting goals will not cure it. If you want to do something about it yourself, my advice would be to ask yourself honestly why you act in specific situations in a certain manner and then try to find the root and confront it.
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On October 06 2009 09:55 Quint wrote:
I can't even begin to describe how wrong some people are about depression in general - believe me, doing sports or setting goals will not cure it. If you want to do something about it yourself, my advice would be to ask yourself honestly why you act in specific situations in a certain manner and then try to find the root and confront it.
Yeah... When reading this thread all I could think of was 'agh retards'.
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