EPT[Spoilers] e-Stars Day 3 Reach vs Tossgirl - Page 2
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On July 20 2009 21:29 Jaksiel wrote: This current fad of accusing players of match-throwing is really annoying. Seriously. Jaedong and Reach are not unbeatable gods, and Flash isn't stupid for not throwing that SL match. | ||
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RushWifDietCoke
United States488 Posts
I think the worst conclusion I could come to is that Reach felt bad about breaking his promise earlier and wanted to go a little easy on her but I don't think for a second he would throw the game on purpose. Nor do I really believe that he wanted to take it easy on her but at worst perhaps thats what it was. To me though it doesn't change much. I still think Mantoss is a bamf. | ||
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Johnny B
United States76 Posts
Supporting scenario 1: -Reach has been out of the pro scene for some time and could be getting rusty. -Likely did not prepare hard for this specific game against Tossgirl. -Tossgirl could have a grudge against Reach after the Germany situation (where Reach forgot or got nervous and didn't play an entertaining game), so she practiced extra hard to get revenge. -$40,000 and his reputation were on the line. Supporting scenario 2: -Reach was "in Tossgirl's debt" after the Germany situation, and may have wanted to make amends. -Various uncharacteristic mistakes Reach made during the game: --Bulldogging, and failing at it. The greater player failing a cheesy strategy against the lesser player would make the most believable upset imo (sorry if bulldogging isn't considered cheese). --Expanding at the 1:00 island. --Dropping the Reaver to kill the Tank just after his Nexus at 1:00 was destroyed (I think he could have saved it in time). --Attacking with Carriers and Dragoons, but pulling back his Dragoons to let his Carriers die from Goliath fire (granted, there were Siege Tanks to run from). -Could have been played by Tossgirl in a situation like the fake one that I made up in my previous post. -Tossgirl doesn't win much. Feel free to add to or criticize these points. Like konadora, I just want discussion. I don't know anything about Reach's economic situation or upbringing, but he might come from a very wealthy family or think that keeping his word is more important than a 1-in-9 chance at $40,000. Also, Reach had two reputations on the line: one as a "gentleman" or whatever you want to call it, and one as a StarCraft player. He may have felt that he had to choose between the two for this match. What we should probably do is look through Reach's past games, especially his other game this tournament, and see if his mistakes there compare to the ones he made against Tossgirl. I don't think I'm qualified to do so (D- player). At this point I don't think there is conclusive evidence one way or the other, but I'm still leaning toward Reach not having played his hardest. | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
so everyone who lost tossgirl has to retire. so who ever wanna play tossgirl again? | ||
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
and also, lots of players have bad games where they make lots of mistakes. this is no different. people would not be saying reach threw it if was any player but tossgirl | ||
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
Reach underestimated her and paid (dearly) for it. Here's to her next win, hopefully in fewer days. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
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_Air_
United States146 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
Tossgirl actually played really good and Reach didn't, it's that simple. | ||
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Johnny B
United States76 Posts
On July 20 2009 23:15 _Air_ wrote: Where exactly can I watch this game -.-;; Once the plus sign becomes gold (likely a day or two at the latest). http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/38_Reach/games Looking at that list, I think I was wrong when I said Reach has been out of the pro scene for a while. | ||
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stanley_
United States816 Posts
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_Air_
United States146 Posts
On July 20 2009 23:21 Johnny B wrote: Once the plus sign becomes gold (likely a day or two at the latest). http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/38_Reach/games Looking at that list, I think I was wrong when I said Reach has been out of the pro scene for a while. thanks man | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 20 2009 23:51 JWD wrote: Reach badly needed this win to advance from his group in SHL...his motivation to win the game was much, much stronger than any motivation to lose it. Exactly. There was a large cash prize, prestige, and his reputation on the line. No way he meant to lose that game. At the VERY WORST, he may not have fully prepared because he underestimated her, and wasn't fully concentrating early on because of the epic fails he witnessed from her recently. After that, you can blame his slipups to panic. | ||
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cunninglinguists
United States925 Posts
On July 20 2009 21:29 Jaksiel wrote: This current fad of accusing players of match-throwing is really annoying. seconded | ||
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