EPTReach chose a bad strategy, executed badly and consequently lost. He looked bad, but it didn't look THAT bad.
[Spoilers] e-Stars Day 3 Reach vs Tossgirl - Page 5
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
Reach chose a bad strategy, executed badly and consequently lost. He looked bad, but it didn't look THAT bad. | ||
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Murdoink
Chile1219 Posts
On July 21 2009 07:28 Pieguy314 wrote: Anybody notice the "no gg" at the end? ![[image loading]](http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/FighterofPie/nogg.jpg) the little thing that looks like a L is used as "no" in korean oh wow, nice detail there | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
There was only one moment where i thought Reach is winning, that was when the first real push pf Tossgirl was stopped by Carrier/goon/zeal. The rest of the game Tossgirl was simply ahead. Faster expo, better harass while defending very well, decent scouting and good counters to Reachs gameplan. Tossgirl had a good day, Reach didn't - the end. | ||
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Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
I think Reach just severely underestimated TossGirl and paid the price, but i dont know. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9047 Posts
On July 21 2009 07:28 Pieguy314 wrote: Anybody notice the "no gg" at the end? the little thing that looks like a L is used as "no" in korean Seems like SHE thinks Reach didn't play his best. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On July 20 2009 20:53 Eury wrote: Stop making up excuses and just face the truth that  Reach underestimated her, and lost because he didn't bring his A-game.Some people seems to have some dumb ass pride that a girl can never beat a guy in Starcraft without letting her win. Last time I checked men don't have a physical advantage over women in a computer game. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this... edit - she probably just kicked it up a notch after her embarassing match vs  YellOw...you can't lie and say she didn't play at least somewhat well this round, and Reach kinda F'ed up in more than one spot.Remember all the Shuttle and  Memory upsets in Gom TV? Upsets. That's all this was, there was no BS rigging or any of that crap. Get off it. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On July 21 2009 07:28 Pieguy314 wrote: Anybody notice the "no gg" at the end? the little thing that looks like a L is used as "no" in korean That smelled fishy for me aswell, in case anyone is wondering the "ㄴ" is positioned where our "s" is and koreans often type that ㄴgg after cheese losses or BM, the nogg was absolutely intentional. | ||
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Tonyoh
France218 Posts
He throw it away, that's all, but if I was reach, maybe I would have feel the same because I have a crush on tossgirl, Tossgirl understood that perfectly that's why she said the L gg at the end. Someone talks about the shuttle dancing... well maybe you forgot that there is a tank on the cliff ? he wants to drop reaver but see the tank on cliff, that's why he comes back to drop a safe place. | ||
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
On July 21 2009 08:42 Tonyoh wrote: the most convincing part is the goons that dont attack expo bottom right and stay without moving for 30sd, and carrier who dont finish expo top right. He throw it away, that's all, but if I was reach, maybe I would have feel the same because I have a crush on tossgirl, Tossgirl understood that perfectly that's why she said the L gg at the end. Someone talk about the shuttle dancing... well maybe you forgot that there is a tank on the clif ? he want to drop reaver but see the tank on cliff, that's why he comes back to drop a safe place. thats ridiculous. i think the best explanation is he under estimated her and ended up losing | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
On July 20 2009 20:40 konadora wrote: The whole thing just felt rather sloppy and lazy on Reach's part. It was almost like he didn't really care that much. get used to it, he's in ACE btw he's just trying to see new ways of playing like boxer... i'd give him more credit for doing interesting stuff. Maybe, just maybe, he's trying to get rid of the 1a2a3a mentality? who knows | ||
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Tonyoh
France218 Posts
On July 21 2009 08:45 koOl wrote: thats ridiculous. i think the best explanation is he under estimated her and ended up losing it's another explanation which is also good. But I like mine better :p | ||
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FragKrag
United States11566 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On July 20 2009 20:52 Skyze wrote: They pick apart tossgirl because tossgirl is a the best GIRL in the world, and yet still vastly vastly inferior to the players you put forth as an example, type-b or go.go. She wouldn't even be on the A team on any other team in PL, and the only reason she is for stx- is because they don't have a B team. She is BAD. At that, shes been a pro gamer for a looooooooooong time, so theres no excuse other than a complete lack of skill. Thus? We have a crappy [though hot] female gamer who refuses to retire- because shes hot and knows the job will get her some mild attention in the media. THATS why people criticize her. Anyone find it really annoying how whenever people watch Tossgirl, they pick apart her game HARDCORE.. of course, shes not on a Bisu level, but shes pretty good. I dont see people looking at games from players such as go.go or type-b and other lesser-known pros and going "OMG he lost one scv, GG!" like they do with tossgirl. Tossgirl is trying her best, and while she may run a dropship into goons at times, while you all are going "OMG SHES A NEWB", Reach did the same thing losing a dropship earlier on to a turret, and no one said anything. Not fair. I just hate the bias people have, im not saying shes the best thing ever or even top ~50, but she deserves respect for being the only female to even compete at this level. Still would probably be able to kill most or all foreigners. All gaming shouldnt be segregated, because theres no advantage for Women or men. like I dont understand how much of CS teams are like, Either 100% female or 100% male. They should just have their tournaments based on the best teams get in. I hope to see a really dominant SC2 female pro someday in the future.. It'd be nice to break this barrier. Edit: Tossgirl is more akin to pepe than any other pro gamer. A shitty terran that refuses to go away. If pepe beat reach, people would be calling 1) Reach terrible 2) Reach giving the match away for some reason, AND there wouldn't be anyone piping up touting pepe's skill and how we are all overly cruel and critical of him, either. EVERYONE would agree that Reach was either losing any claim at being a legitimate A team pro gamer, or that he threw the match. Tossgirl is being defended because she is a girl, not attacked. Stop trying to be the knight in shining armour and admit the truth, she fucking sucks, and so does reach for losing to her [either cause it was a true defeat or he 'sucks' for being a big enough of a douche to throw a match]. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
maybe she felt insulted on how Reach was playing? | ||
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georgir
Bulgaria253 Posts
On the other hand, their old game in Germany was supposed to be exactly like that. I don't know if it was for an important tournament with money rewards and all that, but even if it was just a show match, staging it is a terrible thing to do and it should piss out their fans. For that reason I am quite surprised that they even admit it was supposed to be staged. In this heritage game there probably wasn't any fixing before-hand. It is still possible that Reach decided to give her the win on his own, but I doubt even that - because it would still piss her off if she suspected it even one bit... Reach wouldn't be so stupid to do that :p Granted, he made some weird choices, but I think they were a result of him underrating her and thinking he would just get a quick win with fast expos and mass carriers. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Look, he already lost 2 games; therefore, technically he's out. So, the idea of him tossing this one to Tossgirl after apologizing to her shouldn't come as a surprise. This was his way of getting even with her. -_- EDIT: The game wasn't fixed per say. Reach chose a bad strategy and didn't put any effort into winning the game. Tossgirl had no prior knowledge of what he was going to do. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 21 2009 23:09 Showtime! wrote: I think it's fairly obvious that Reach didn't give it his best shot. Look, he already lost 2 games; therefore, technically he's out. So, the idea of him tossing this one to Tossgirl after apologizing to her shouldn't come as a surprise. This was his way of getting even with her. -_- EDIT: The game wasn't fixed per say. Reach chose a bad strategy and didn't put any effort into winning the game. Tossgirl had no prior knowledge of what he was going to do. Actually if Reach won, he would've still had a chance if (when) Boxer beats Yellow. | ||
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ProTech_MediC
United States498 Posts
- What if STX offered Reach 5k for throwing the game? In all likelyhood, Reach isn't going to take 1st, and he probably knows it. This would give STX more publicity, Reach some cash, and give him an opportunity to fix things between him and Tossgirl. - What if SHL offered both players a sum of money to let Tossgirl win? Everyone expects Reach to win, but look at how much discussion is generated when the girl wins. The game probably wasn't rigged, but Reach played so poorly... it was like watching a progamer in slow motion. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On July 20 2009 21:29 Jaksiel wrote: This current fad of accusing players of match-throwing is really annoying. THIS. STX's new outfit all makes sense now. So we can all enjoy TossGirl in tight pants. | ||
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