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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On February 19 2009 08:30 iloveroo wrote: um the EE_timing is if the z goes 2 hatch ? and the A-Yu-Mi is if they go 3 hatch ? no. EE timing is after mutas. ayumi is before mutas. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On February 19 2009 09:50 ZzZzAnG wrote: well stylish said that 2 gate goon is a good counter to 3fac strat..maybe watch them replays tht u lost in and see if your opponent went 2gate expo,and he said its made to punish protoss that takes his 3rd quick,and if he did take third and u still failed its probably your micro or timing hm i said to forget about what i wrote LOL, cause maybe its me and maybe i just suck ;p but yeah, the "TvP FE 3fact" is only if they went for their 3rd expo? | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On February 19 2009 10:11 ramen247 wrote: no. EE timing is after mutas. ayumi is before mutas. a guy said that a-yu-mi is when you attack right when the mutas pop out. and stylish said that the EE timing is you attack right when the hydras are morphing.. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On February 19 2009 10:20 iloveroo wrote: a guy said that a-yu-mi is when you attack right when the mutas pop out. and stylish said that the EE timing is you attack right when the hydras are morphing.. exactly what i said... | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
woah my bad, i can't read today lawl | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
but anyways, its my fault. so does anyone know whats the use of the fe 3fac? | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
On February 19 2009 11:24 iloveroo wrote: grrr, i feel so noob, i keep losing when i use the TvP FE 3fac... lolol but anyways, its my fault. so does anyone know whats the use of the fe 3fac? If I got it straight. The use of this strategy is to catch the protoss in a weak moment, the right timing window as he is about to take he's 3rd rather quickly in the 6-7 minute mark(this is were u have to attack). Assuming the protoss playing standard (1-2 gate opening) . So as the protoss has invested he's first minutes of the game to get the best economicly advantage of the terran as he can by going a 3rd so early it means he has a low unit count, this is were you should counter with ur 3 fac's after Fe. Before he has he's third up and running and getting alot of gates and units. Protoss do this strategy alot since they know terran would just sit back and turtle for a while. | ||
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ZzZzAnG
United States109 Posts
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arb
Noobville17919 Posts
thank you! | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On February 19 2009 12:17 ZzZzAnG wrote: well i might be wrong but,when i see 2 gate goon i make my cc inside my main and bring few scvs when icome out with 2 or 3 tanks because when i try to build my cc right on the spot i just got outmicroed and lost my tanks and cc eventually or got really delayed. if you are going for a 5 fact timing push or w/e, then your mine upgrade should finish at the exact same time as your first vulture is made. So, send down a scv, and make the CC at the natural at 31 supply. Typically you can stop 2-3 goons without the help of the vulture, and because it comes soo soon after the tank, you should technically be rather safe vs 2gate goons using 3 well positioned spidermines. Another trick, that stylish describes is to fly your barracks over your tank at your natural expansion. Make sure the tank is on hold position, and if he pushes with 2-3 goons, they will not be able to target fire your tank. Instead they will be forced to attack the marines, which you can either use to focus fire his goons, or move back while the tank gets free shots. Scvs trap and rape goons really easily too. Lastly, since his range wont be upgraded yet, if you want to be super safe, just make a bunker at your expo, and he wont be able to kill it until his range is upgraded. You will have mines before he has range. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On February 19 2009 12:14 ZeKk wrote: If I got it straight. The use of this strategy is to catch the protoss in a weak moment, the right timing window as he is about to take he's 3rd rather quickly in the 6-7 minute mark(this is were u have to attack). Assuming the protoss playing standard (1-2 gate opening) . So as the protoss has invested he's first minutes of the game to get the best economicly advantage of the terran as he can by going a 3rd so early it means he has a low unit count, this is were you should counter with ur 3 fac's after Fe. Before he has he's third up and running and getting alot of gates and units. Protoss do this strategy alot since they know terran would just sit back and turtle for a while. so your saying that "tvp fe 3fac" is only useful if he goes for his 3rd expo? if im correct ?:S | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On February 19 2009 12:38 iloveroo wrote: so your saying that "tvp fe 3fac" is only useful if he goes for his 3rd expo? if im correct ?:S I really recommend that you somehow get hold of those commentaries. If you already did so, watch them again carefully. Most of your questions are answered in the commentaries. The 3 Factory Timing Push is only effective if the Protoss has taken a fast third, which generally means he only has 2 Gateways and very few Dragoons. If the Protoss has not taken a fast third base, this strategy is not recommended. | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On February 19 2009 12:47 d1v wrote: I really recommend that you somehow get hold of those commentaries. If you already did so, watch them again carefully. Most of your questions are answered in the commentaries. The 3 Factory Timing Push is only effective if the Protoss has taken a fast third, which generally means he only has 2 Gateways and very few Dragoons. If the Protoss has not taken a fast third base, this strategy is not recommended. i've actually watch them like 10times, he just doesn't explain it well enough for me to understand ;o | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On February 19 2009 12:47 d1v wrote: I really recommend that you somehow get hold of those commentaries. If you already did so, watch them again carefully. Most of your questions are answered in the commentaries. The 3 Factory Timing Push is only effective if the Protoss has taken a fast third, which generally means he only has 2 Gateways and very few Dragoons. If the Protoss has not taken a fast third base, this strategy is not recommended. this is correct. Also, incase you are wondering, you do a regular FE with this build, and thats what prompts the protoss to take a fast 3rd base. Also, he flys his barracks over top one of his tanks early on, so the protoss thinks he is doing a FD (1 tank 4-5marines and a vult with mines), because 1 of the tanks is hidden (but still shooting). These factors all help the protoss decide to take a fast 3rd, because he is now thinking you opened up with a typical 1fact expand and turtle. Also, if you've watched the videos 10 times, then how can you miss what he says? In the Game FPVOD he clearly states as he is attacking the protosses natural that 2 gate goon standard play is a really good counter to the build. It's stated in the commentary | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
In case of the 3 Factory push, make sure the Protoss has taken an early third base (as in from 06:00-07:30 into the game), that he hasn't got more than 3 Gateways and also make sure he's not following up his expansion with some totally wierd strategy (happens on lower levels sometimes). | ||
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iloveroo
Canada294 Posts
On February 19 2009 13:03 eXigent. wrote: this is correct. Also, incase you are wondering, you do a regular FE with this build, and thats what prompts the protoss to take a fast 3rd base. Also, he flys his barracks over top one of his tanks early on, so the protoss thinks he is doing a FD (1 tank 4-5marines and a vult with mines), because 1 of the tanks is hidden (but still shooting). These factors all help the protoss decide to take a fast 3rd, because he is now thinking you opened up with a typical 1fact expand and turtle. Also, if you've watched the videos 10 times, then how can you miss what he says? In the Game FPVOD he clearly states as he is attacking the protosses natural that 2 gate goon standard play is a really good counter to the build. It's stated in the commentary why do you think i miss it ? lol, maybe sometimes im not paying attention to what hes saying or hes not explaining it in a way for ME to understand :3 | ||
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Erphniirls
United States13 Posts
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HiOT
Sweden1000 Posts
On February 20 2009 04:23 Erphniirls wrote: Sylish where art thou?! I miss being able to check this thread on a daily basis to see what was new. I also can't wait to see your alternate protoss openings, because the Flash build is personally somewhat challenging. =/ Nonetheless, thanks again, and get well soon! Ciao. He is ill man. | ||
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Erphniirls
United States13 Posts
Hence, "Nonetheless, thanks again, and get well soon!" | ||
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