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On September 10 2018 08:37 tilhorizon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:35 Amarillo Caballero wrote:
Kinda sad that 2 of the 3 best foreigner Zergs miss Blizzcon. dont know what you mean serral and lambo are the 2 best forreigner zergs
Yeah,,
Obviously Lambo and Nerchio deserve it and they are really good, but i cant help but feel that anyone out of Reynor/Scarlett and even an in form Elazer would have much better chances against the top koreans.
Its especially sad for Reynor who beat everyone he played against in WCS other than Serral and fell short 1 map and a few points :/
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On September 10 2018 08:37 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 Bagration wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:28 argonautdice wrote:
Serral is definitely at least a foreigner Bonjwa. No foreigner has been this dominant for a full year. It's funny though... Had Reynor won one of those two last maps, then Serral would have the same amount of WCS as Neeb had the year before. And Neeb also won Kespa cup. But Serral won GSL vs. the World, so it's roughly equal Precisely. From "roughly equal" to "Bonjwa" in a single map. Hmm that doesn't seem right. If you just take titles as the only metric it is roughly equal, sure. I love Neeb but how can anyone who followed their runs in both WCS and Kespa Cup/GSL vs the World say they are equal? The general dominance Serral showed in terms of gameplay and mental game is just not even comparable to Neeb imo. Do you really think that Neebs showing last year is equal to Serrals sheer dominance in everything he attends?
I don't know but Neeb was extremely dominant in some of those events. Either way, if someone really is a Bonjwa, nobody should be in doubt.
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to be considered a bonjwa you need to win multiple starleagues anyway
and who cares
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uThermal 1 map away from getting to Blizzcon 
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On September 10 2018 08:40 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:37 tilhorizon wrote:On September 10 2018 08:35 Amarillo Caballero wrote:
Kinda sad that 2 of the 3 best foreigner Zergs miss Blizzcon. dont know what you mean serral and lambo are the 2 best forreigner zergs Yeah,, Obviously Lambo and Nerchio deserve it and they are really good, but i cant help but feel that anyone out of Reynor/Scarlett and even an in form Elazer would have much better chances against the top koreans. Its especially sad for Reynor who beat everyone he played against in WCS other than Serral and fell short 1 map and a few points :/
Instead we get to watch Has embarrass himself in front of a Korean, that's almost as good, right?
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On September 10 2018 08:34 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 Bagration wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:28 argonautdice wrote:
Serral is definitely at least a foreigner Bonjwa. No foreigner has been this dominant for a full year. It's funny though... Had Reynor won one of those two last maps, then Serral would have the same amount of WCS as Neeb had the year before. And Neeb also won Kespa cup. But Serral won GSL vs. the World, so it's roughly equal Precisely. From "roughly equal" to "Bonjwa" in a single map. Hmm that doesn't seem right. That's how it goes though - if soO had won a few more maps over the thousands of maps he's played over his career, he'd be a bonjwa rather than a sad meme Greatest is determined in just a few pivotal moments
If soO won those finals he would be not just a bonjwa but the undisputed best player of all time, arguably including broodwar. Yet (some) people don't even put him on the list of best sc2 players. That's the difference a handful of maps can make
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Yeah, Reynor only had half the WCS tournaments to compete in as the other players and still almost made it.
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On September 10 2018 08:38 Fango wrote:
Well Lambo gets the unlucky spot of facing Maru at blizzcon. ShoWTimE also has to face Dark.
There's still GST super tournament, so Showtime may get someone else.
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By the way, right now Serral would be in a group with TY and Gumiho and blizzcon. That would be a serious test for him.
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On September 10 2018 08:40 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:37 ChaosArcher wrote:On September 10 2018 08:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 Bagration wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:28 argonautdice wrote:
Serral is definitely at least a foreigner Bonjwa. No foreigner has been this dominant for a full year. It's funny though... Had Reynor won one of those two last maps, then Serral would have the same amount of WCS as Neeb had the year before. And Neeb also won Kespa cup. But Serral won GSL vs. the World, so it's roughly equal Precisely. From "roughly equal" to "Bonjwa" in a single map. Hmm that doesn't seem right. If you just take titles as the only metric it is roughly equal, sure. I love Neeb but how can anyone who followed their runs in both WCS and Kespa Cup/GSL vs the World say they are equal? The general dominance Serral showed in terms of gameplay and mental game is just not even comparable to Neeb imo. Do you really think that Neebs showing last year is equal to Serrals sheer dominance in everything he attends? I don't know but Neeb was extremely dominant in some of those events. Either way, if someone really is a Bonjwa, nobody should be in doubt.
I mean by this definition Flash is not a Bonjwa because i doubt him being one...
Just shows that the term is kinda vague will always lead to discussion I guess.
But for me Serral is the undoubted best foreigner of all time and its not even close.
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On September 10 2018 08:40 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:37 ChaosArcher wrote:On September 10 2018 08:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 Bagration wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:28 argonautdice wrote:
Serral is definitely at least a foreigner Bonjwa. No foreigner has been this dominant for a full year. It's funny though... Had Reynor won one of those two last maps, then Serral would have the same amount of WCS as Neeb had the year before. And Neeb also won Kespa cup. But Serral won GSL vs. the World, so it's roughly equal Precisely. From "roughly equal" to "Bonjwa" in a single map. Hmm that doesn't seem right. If you just take titles as the only metric it is roughly equal, sure. I love Neeb but how can anyone who followed their runs in both WCS and Kespa Cup/GSL vs the World say they are equal? The general dominance Serral showed in terms of gameplay and mental game is just not even comparable to Neeb imo. Do you really think that Neebs showing last year is equal to Serrals sheer dominance in everything he attends? I don't know but Neeb was extremely dominant in some of those events. Either way, if someone really is a Bonjwa, nobody should be in doubt.
Yeah at least two of Neeb's runs had better map scores than this one by Serral (I think). So did his kespa cup run
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Can't believe Reynor was one map away from making Blizzcon.
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On September 10 2018 08:42 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:38 Fango wrote:
Well Lambo gets the unlucky spot of facing Maru at blizzcon. ShoWTimE also has to face Dark. There's still GST super tournament, so Showtime may get someone else.
Either Dark or Gumiho have to win supertournament for that to change (and a bunch of other players must not qualify or drop out early). Not likely
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Serral wining his fourth championship seems less hype considering he did so playing almost only ZvZ.
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On September 10 2018 08:37 ChaosArcher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 08:32 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 Bagration wrote:On September 10 2018 08:30 sneakyfox wrote:On September 10 2018 08:28 argonautdice wrote:
Serral is definitely at least a foreigner Bonjwa. No foreigner has been this dominant for a full year. It's funny though... Had Reynor won one of those two last maps, then Serral would have the same amount of WCS as Neeb had the year before. And Neeb also won Kespa cup. But Serral won GSL vs. the World, so it's roughly equal Precisely. From "roughly equal" to "Bonjwa" in a single map. Hmm that doesn't seem right. If you just take titles as the only metric it is roughly equal, sure. I love Neeb but how can anyone who followed their runs in both WCS and Kespa Cup/GSL vs the World say they are equal? The general dominance Serral showed in terms of gameplay and mental game is just not even comparable to Neeb imo. Do you really think that Neebs showing last year is equal to Serrals sheer dominance in everything he attends?
There's no reason to downplay Neebs achievements last year
Serral was the best this year but Neeb showed how it was done last year
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On September 10 2018 08:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:uThermal 1 map away from getting to Blizzcon
Yeah. Sucks he got sick in Austin and he had some pretty bad bracket luck as well (it's not just Scarlett).
2019 #yearofthermy
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On September 10 2018 08:42 sneakyfox wrote:
By the way, right now Serral would be in a group with TY and Gumiho and blizzcon. That would be a serious test for him.
It would. Though kinda unlikely it happens considering how close players are around those two.
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On September 10 2018 08:43 Lexender wrote:
Serral wining his fourth championship seems less hype considering he did so playing almost only ZvZ. I think it only makes it more hype. ZvZ is the most competive foreign matchup.
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Crazy how last time Serral dropped a Bo3+ series was in March against Maru.
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Canada8987 Posts
Serral as not lost a single match since the start of may, it's amazing.
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EPT
