On September 02 2016 23:55 Tumblewood wrote: whoa why is geript voting vivax I'm not really good at mafia, but I'm good at noticing when a player who is known to be bad at faking his town meta is playing his town meta. does that ring any bells
On September 02 2016 23:56 Tictock wrote: Koshi:
Noting this from Koshi... kus WTF it came from Koshi?
On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote: Vivax/Palmar are both mafia. 3rd guy is a low content player that isn't scott or TW. So we are looking at RB/DanelerH/Geript. If it isn't RB I am going to guess geript.
Scott I am 100% town on. If I die and you lynch him I am going to be very very sad. 100% town. Please believe me. Please. @Scott. When I die please feel free to solely keep quoting this message till the baddies remove their votes.
Disformation obvious town. During the day he felt indecisive but with the activity during the night he became 100% town.
HF obvious town. I don't think this high content activity is within his mafia reach. The doc should pick him or disformation tbh. Just flip a coin.
Tfrel I wouldn't lynch but tbh I haven't read his filter yet.
TW is probably going to be town. The posts he made before the lynch and after the lynch are more likely coming from an honest townie than an Oscar worthy mafia.
TT I also think is town. Somewhere right before I made the TW case, (or right after?), we were thinking exactly the same on where to solve the game and where to look. He is also one of the few to be scumreading/pressuring geript/Vivax through the game. Just solid scumhunting on his own and trying to solve the game. I think that is the best way to townread TT btw.
Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die.
Vivax Vivax is pushing mafia agenda 24/7. It is obvious if you look at the small things:
On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning.
On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning.
Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying.
You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong?
More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons?
These 2 posts are very shady attempts to put pressure on TW without being in the spotlights. You read these posts and just ignore them and just put in your head "Vivax has something on TW" and take that with you without understanding what he means. Look at the bolded, it is putting very light suspicion on TW with unflipped association to Rels. Also the sentence right before that is just a very shady attempt to discredit TW from the start "Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar?". Both sentences were ambitious tries from Vivax to put the thread against TW. and it worked.
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote: Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.
I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.
Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.
So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.
When I read that I actually wanted to skip over the entire case just because how bad the intro was. This is the most forced way to start a case. And it just smells of TMI "youare all on the wrong track but here is a bullshit case on scott that I want you all to gobble up" And we did... Speeding this thing up due to having other things to do: Everything else Vivax did that day was push his scott ml while cheering on the TW ml.
Also look at this:
On September 01 2016 02:15 Vivax wrote:
On September 01 2016 02:13 Koshi wrote: I have been here the entire day.
Your take on solving the game? I'm genuinely interested. Or are you saving it for post-night
Pretending to be interested so they can decide if they should nk me. Pushing ùafoa agenda all night long.
Why is geript more likely mafia over Danel? Because geript fits the team better.
HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.
I liked it the first time I read it. But now that I reread it I can see him be mafia with Palmar/Vivax.
It's also the small things like Palmar vs geript never being a real thing, the push from Palmar on geript was superweak. Palmar telling me geript his summarize wasn't good while it was pretty good on first sight, it just felt wrong because he didn't try to convince me.
Not sure what Vivax even thinks about geript. He talked to Palmar about geript but never took a stance about it himself. All super weak stuff.
It would be unlikely mafia shows face this hard so Danel is still an option. or RB #prayforred
going to post this because if I don't and die I will never forgive myself. come at me mafia.
Having a hard time with Koshi's posts I'm gunna have to refilter him later.
On September 02 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote: Tfrel looking worse and worse each post he makes. Still can't believe he didn't bother figuring out my post more. And if he thought that was my scumlist why he didn't go apeshit over the fact scott was in it.
So bad.
But wagon of justice is Palmar.
Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts?
On September 01 2016 06:41 DanelerH wrote: I didn't realize we were allowed to speak during the Night phase (we weren't allowed to in the other games I played). I'm going to need a bit of time to catch up.
On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote: Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads.Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die.
If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.
please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?
Ah fantastic.
No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.
You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.
But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.
He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.
On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught.
Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch.
Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things".
Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this:
On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote: Voting Tumblewood
Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort. Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.
Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post:
On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote: HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.
I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on?
On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote: I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah
I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him
This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels.
On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't.
On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote: I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 23:58 Tictock wrote: That was kinda fun, and I feel like it might be time for one of these.
Seems Trfel is right, I am being too nice and trusting this game.
Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof.
Hey, that was my plan!
Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy.
For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them.
Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town.
That is all.
## Vote: Rels
If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax.
My vote on Rels is was exactly what I said in w/e post I made the vote in. It was for pressure to get Rels to do stuff. He hadn't done anything at that point in the game, how could I have a read on him?
On September 01 2016 09:14 Holyflare wrote: I will lynch any of palmar/ticktock today. I don't think much has changed for me to be honest, dane looking a but townier with the last post, scott falling off the face of the earth makes me contemplate joining the wagon of purity. I mean one of his posts was just a list post that wasn't even a list, more vote count colouring. Will read into him more.
Uhhh, still anti anything palmar says obviously :D
Like, there's a roughly 0% chance palmar joins a tw wagon and likes koshi's case but doesn't realise i made it first and he's sheeping me but ignores that and says I've done nothing :D
I really hate this post, especially given HF's read on Scott is ever-changing and never backed up.
Combined with how he played EoD into night I think there is a solid chance HF is mafia. Kinda slowplayed D1, got really right at EoD to push Rels, into some quick accusations and a lot of activity at night but not much thought or analysis being done. I stand by my original VoD selection + Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2016 09:57 Holyflare wrote: Lol why do you think i force people to call me town? It's so I can concentrate and not get distracted. Hence mafia palmar trying to tilt me into an argument to fit his "meta" crap post he posted earlier about me.
Basically the people that are mafia this game are the ones that are just calling me mafia-ish with no real conviction and leaving the door open for later (ticktock) and the guy with no real conviction to lynch anyone and calls me mafia for what reason exactly? which is not normal (palmar)
+probably scott but maybe not but probably
This is a vast misrepresentation of my play. I called HF null into town-reading him.
On September 02 2016 18:19 Holyflare wrote: Also beginning to hate tw because omgus even though it's not even a scum read on me??
Ahhh this bugs me so much????? Not only was I the ONLY one to try and save him at deadline day 1 AFTER making a case on him which ordinarily I'd just make everyone follow but I've given him like 1 1/2 cycles to play and give him leeway but I'm a random side mafia lean with a whole post dedicated to trashing a GOOD read on his scum read.
Mafia really are only dropping weak as shit mafia reads on me. He's next lynch if I die plz.
Actually, why would he do this as mafia? What on earth does he gain from it given his position this game?
On September 02 2016 22:04 Tictock wrote: For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something.
On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote: Tictock
Tictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is: + Show Spoiler [Examples] +
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.
What about his responses make you think he's town?
Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote: I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now.
On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote: honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now or maybe hf circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed
Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game.
On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.
But he switches to Rels anyway.
On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote: I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels.
And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all.
Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch:
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him.
1:You realise what you've quoted here is trfel putting in unnecessary words to what I already said? You said you didn't want to switch, you looked like you didn't want to switch and then you switched.
Trfel explains what I did in 3 quotes but with 4 long paragraphs instead. You then go on to further say that me not doing anything with the vca is bad but also say that me accusing you because of the vca is bad. Congratulations.
Are you going to cherry pick more of my posts or actually admit that I'm town now? I'm only on a phone at work for 90% of my game playing time so quoting a lot is already an unnecessary hassle but you're welcome to ask me questions instead of shit flinging and I will personally take my time elaborating everything that I thought at the time of each post/moment in the game.
2: If you're unclear about scott it's because he looked happy day 1 but then when I returned to the thread that's all I had in my mind, vivax's case wasn't so convincing over my happiness read. End of day 1 I only had an hour or less to read over and convince myself about tumble being really mafia or if I wanted to switch. Rels allowed me to and I love a good shenanigan for information and tumble was yelling and looked vaguely townie whereas rels just posted responses and no original thought really. Scott did absolutely nothing and yet actually WAS around at the deadline and then vanished which always emotionally makes me think that person is mafia. From a purely vca standpoint he looked mafka and trfel's case i read that and somewhat agreed with it at some point around then iirc.
His play so far probably makes him mafia and there's no spreadsheet still so almost definitely. Unless you're trying to dispute this point in which case I will yell at you for tmi and kill you today.
Any more inconsistencies you want explained good sir? I like nipping things in the bud so you can't perpetually fling shit at me later.
1: No, you threw around a couple of throwaway opinions like "he said things that bugged me" while Trfel showed some evidence and tried to put thought into mindset and comes to the obv conclusion that my vote switch only makes sense if I'm mafia with scott.
2: So why haven't you pushed Scott at all today?
On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people.
On September 03 2016 00:04 Palmar wrote: I like TT's summary of HF.
On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar.
On September 04 2016 07:16 DanelerH wrote: Holyflare, who do you think we should lynch? I'm fine with any of the three I listed as Mafia, but my preference is either Scott or Palmar.
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.
What about his responses make you think he's town?
Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
Yeah, I know....
Bleh, okay.
##unvote ##vote Tumblewood
On August 31 2016 05:49 Trfel wrote: I think that scott31337 is a better lynch than Tumblewood. There are some reasons that Tumblewood doesn't look that great, but I don't think that parts of his play make much sense for him to be mafia.
Waiting for the last second to flail around, I don't really like I'm not sure that Tumblewood is town. I'm not super torn up if he's lynched. But there are several things that make me doubt. And scott31337 is a decent chance at being mafia.
I don't think that DanelerH is a good lynch.
On August 31 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote: I'd rather not lynch Rels, I think.
Whats weird to me here is how he caved to what I said and voted TW, also the later explanation about why he preffer's Scott over TW is super long winded without saying anything.
Just to check here were his thoughts coming into that lynch: + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 16:44 disformation wrote: Damn. Just missed Rels. Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc?
I think I'm wanting to lynch scott31337. I think that Tictock has been providing a sensible approach to the game and some original thought, and that's enough to override my stupid meta read anyway, because I'm bad at meta when it's not about Palmar.
My reasons to think that scott31337 were town basically came down to that I wouldn't think he would want to play the game if he was mafia. But that's pretty dumb. Looking at his play with that aside, he looks like mafia I'll explain more in the near future.
I still kind of want to lynch Tumblewood, but he's really carefree, and that's giving me a bit of doubt. I did a brief meta check on the 72 hours game, and he seemed less carefree and more intentional (he was mafia in that game). And his meta read on Tictock is actually a decent read. For the moment, I think I prefer scott31337.
Still working on you and geript, but I don't really think I want to lynch either of you?
On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote: Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow.
I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way.
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant.
##vote scott31337
There was another post that I felt was skippable.
On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote: I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments.
Kinda meh case on scott, coming from Trfel it's like he doesn't really believe it especially for swaying so easily later on. Actually pretty much all his reads feel wishy-washy.
On August 31 2016 06:31 Trfel wrote: And that's a very, very interesting point on Tictock.
On August 31 2016 06:00 scott31337 wrote: What has happened
literally at the deadline but DIDN'T vote to save himself??? Not sure if knew was blue and didn't want to vote or just wasn't around, need to look back at cases people have been posting on him
People that voted Rels after he claimed being blue:
On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have
Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified.
On August 31 2016 07:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm just really confused by Scott tbh, who posted the better than vivax case on him?
The short case on scott31337 was written by me.
I'm here-ish, and I'll analyze stuff tonight, but I kinda feel like I need a bit of a break. I'm in agreement with most of the stuff you're saying now though, even though the Tictock point annoys me because I was really starting to think that he was town.
The bolded feels off to me, something about being intrigued and annoyed at the same thing.
Maybe it's more because of the followup in This post is kinda just focused on that one point without really looking at anything else. I liked this read earlier because Trfel seems to be looking at if there is town modivation in what I did. Now I'm noticing the same pattern as before in that read and This other one he made at the same time about Race. It's kinda like Trfel is just having a hard time really calling anyone mafia.
Going back to skimming again, for any pushes or votes.
On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote: Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night.
Notice the bolded? nothing new about Palmar then...
On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote: Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.
If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.
##unvote ##vote Palmar
Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town?
On September 03 2016 01:19 Trfel wrote: Caught up with the thread. I really don't know what to do
Part of me wants to lynch Holyflare because I'm being bad and can't find mafia, part of me wants to say that my townread on scott31337 was bad believe in the spreadsheet thing....
Or maybe just stick with Palmar. I guess just stick with Palmar. Because of that one Holyflare post where Palmar can be town and afk, but he can't be town with a scumread on Holyflare and afk.
Need to head out now but I'll be back later.
This post is actually terrible. He randomly wants to lynch HF, but he decide's he will stay with Palmar because of something HF said?
And where does Trfel end up?
On September 03 2016 05:02 Trfel wrote: Don't have time but am sheeping.
Now Trfel did mention that he started back at College so I'll give him some beifit of the doubt that he has less time, but still... where has the passion or care gone?
D1 and into N1 Trfel was at least making cases and reads even if most of them read's like they are afraid to call people mafia.
On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote: I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 23:58 Tictock wrote: That was kinda fun, and I feel like it might be time for one of these.
Seems Trfel is right, I am being too nice and trusting this game.
Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +
On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof.
Hey, that was my plan!
Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy.
For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them.
Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town.
That is all.
## Vote: Rels
If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax.
DanelerH These are your current reads that you have posted. You believe Palmar is mafia, is that correct?
On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar.
And this from Palmar.
On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people.
On September 03 2016 04:42 scott31337 wrote: Since everyone seemed to forget - I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today.
I'm still doing installs, I don't have time to play - but after I get home today things should be normal.
Post your reads please. Don't post the excel sheet, that is forbidden. Post your reads.
Race Bannon -2.5 Scumlean - terrible entrance, although Palmar's point "might" work TicTock - US 5.5 townlean - okay thoughts of game Tumblewood 3 US - Nothing impressive Rels 2 -EU- shit entrance DanelerH - US 6 - going after Koshi at beginning, Koshi/Dan prob not a team Vivax -EU 6 - like his thoughts and inquiziveness so far, shit case on me Holyflare - EU 6 - looking better Palmar -Iceland/EU 6.5 good thoughts disformation -EU 6.5 townlean Geript -US 6.5 good posts Trfel - US 6 weird thoughts but dont think he'd be so aggressive Koshi -EU 5.5 - nothing special but wouldn't lynch today
On August 31 2016 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Thank you town Trfel.
And then never again.
And the third is probably not Tictock or DandelH.
Somebody made this exact same argument against me in probably every single one of my town games and literally last onegu game people were spouting the same nonsense. Trfel said a lot of things that I agreed with d1 so why would I ever vote him or mention him? I only mention scummy things in my filters really.
Also, you're conveniently ignoring that I voted to save you day 1 and switched to a town after making a case on another town. What would be the point when I could just afk?? You've somehow twisted a point that shouldn't be a point (why would a person vote or mention their tr) and made it into a point about them being mafia together.
Furthermore why have you decided to start playing right as we hit end game? I feel like if you lost motivation day 2 for no reason then joining now would be exceptionally hard.
On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar.
On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people.
So tell me what is wrong with Palmar's post.
This post specifically? It's odd that you want me to look at a specific post, but here:
The main problem is that Palmar doesn't have an opinion on one person (Scott) and hasn't read the filters of three others (Trfel, DanelerH, Tictock). At that point in the game, that was nearly half the players.
Another issue I have with the post is the Geript read. As I have already said, it doesn't make sense for Geript to be Mafia. Granted, this was before the Day 2 lynch, but Palmar's read on Geript hasn't changed.
The last issue I have is giving Town-reads for ridiculous reasons. For Scott, it was because of liking a post on Day 1 (granted, Palmar admitted to this being a weak read and classified it as "no opinion"). For me, xe thinks xe liked something I said (but can't remember) and I'm "not in [xyr] mental 'these people are scum' group". For Tictock, it was because of liking the images for reads.
On September 03 2016 04:42 scott31337 wrote: Since everyone seemed to forget - I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today.
I'm still doing installs, I don't have time to play - but after I get home today things should be normal.
Post your reads please. Don't post the excel sheet, that is forbidden. Post your reads.
Race Bannon -2.5 Scumlean - terrible entrance, although Palmar's point "might" work TicTock - US 5.5 townlean - okay thoughts of game Tumblewood 3 US - Nothing impressive Rels 2 -EU- shit entrance DanelerH - US 6 - going after Koshi at beginning, Koshi/Dan prob not a team Vivax -EU 6 - like his thoughts and inquiziveness so far, shit case on me Holyflare - EU 6 - looking better Palmar -Iceland/EU 6.5 good thoughts disformation -EU 6.5 townlean Geript -US 6.5 good posts Trfel - US 6 weird thoughts but dont think he'd be so aggressive Koshi -EU 5.5 - nothing special but wouldn't lynch today
On September 04 2016 19:33 scott31337 wrote: DanelerH These are your current reads that you have posted. You believe Palmar is mafia, is that correct?
On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar.
And this from Palmar.
On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people.
So tell me what is wrong with Palmar's post.
This post specifically? It's odd that you want me to look at a specific post, but here:
The main problem is that Palmar doesn't have an opinion on one person (Scott) and hasn't read the filters of three others (Trfel, DanelerH, Tictock). At that point in the game, that was nearly half the players.
Another issue I have with the post is the Geript read. As I have already said, it doesn't make sense for Geript to be Mafia. Granted, this was before the Day 2 lynch, but Palmar's read on Geript hasn't changed.
The last issue I have is giving Town-reads for ridiculous reasons. For Scott, it was because of liking a post on Day 1 (granted, Palmar admitted to this being a weak read and classified it as "no opinion"). For me, xe thinks xe liked something I said (but can't remember) and I'm "not in [xyr] mental 'these people are scum' group". For Tictock, it was because of liking the images for reads.
It's pretty weird you skipped my other post as well. Please expand on ridiculous reasons please.
On September 01 2016 09:32 Trfel wrote: The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town?
I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything.
I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier.
So this really confuses me.
You're just the hero I deserved. The shitty part about this game is that if you start making inquiries about people who suspect you, they start calling you a discreditor or dismiss all you write as omgus (disfo being the best example). I even admit to suspecting people who throw scum at me almost instinctively, which is why my play is the weakest when a lot of people suspect me. It just creates too many distractions for me to handle.
Sure I could just not give a fuck and do it anyway but I've learned that it mostly hurts my already not very popular opinions. So while I do my scott thing you do this Koshi thing and we're gucci.
Hope you enjoyed this post of self-awareness. Scum surely can learn something from it when it comes to tilting me.
This post has townie feels or you just changed your "meta" so much that I've read before, fuck it man.
I'm going back to watching Trump's speech though in my home town.
##Unvote
This is just so from a town mindset I finally figured out he was just tunneled town - It was just one post. Do you think that was ridiculous too?
Your reads seem quite opposite from Palmar and I and others.
On September 04 2016 17:39 scott31337 wrote: I also went thru filters looking for others names with my instincts and suspicions and I'm at HF/Trfel/x
HF never speaks of Trfel and throws him a town read at
On August 31 2016 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Thank you town Trfel.
And then never again.
And the third is probably not Tictock or DandelH.
Somebody made this exact same argument against me in probably every single one of my town games and literally last onegu game people were spouting the same nonsense. Trfel said a lot of things that I agreed with d1 so why would I ever vote him or mention him? I only mention scummy things in my filters really.
Also, you're conveniently ignoring that I voted to save you day 1 and switched to a town after making a case on another town. What would be the point when I could just afk?? You've somehow twisted a point that shouldn't be a point (why would a person vote or mention their tr) and made it into a point about them being mafia together.
Furthermore why have you decided to start playing right as we hit end game? I feel like if you lost motivation day 2 for no reason then joining now would be exceptionally hard.
Like I've repeated for the third time, most of Thursday wasn't happening because of my American Football game, and Friday wasn't happening because of driving 100+ miles to our remote site to do network installs/fix computers. Then I got a call at work that day from my gf that the internet/cable was cut and I don't like posting from my phone - that didn't get fixed until Saturday night.
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