On August 31 2016 06:25 disformation wrote: I kinda think ppl pilling onto TW kinda steadily all day and suddenly _ALL_ switching with little resistance esp after the claim means TW is town? As in both wagons were town.
Hey disformation, when you wake up, I'm having trouble understanding this wagon analysis. Is it to do with how the Tumblewood wagon built? Because I would think that if a bunch of people switch off of a wagon quickly, it's more likely for that wagon to be on mafia, right?
I am the most polarizing element in the game, hijole!
I should do something other than mimicking Slam.
Out of curiosity, why did you talk about the vanilla role pm? Give us YOUR version of it.
A wifom reaction test. Not sure about the reactions though. I wouldn't want to lynch the people who took sides on my alignment bearing in mind what I've said just yet. Palmar and disfo on one side, and geript, Koshi on the other, I'd like to keep at least until day 3.
Also, I will address the elephant in the room once more, and say that the PM flavor =/= OP flavor. Therefore I am nonplussed about Trfel, scott and Palmar explicitly claiming it not be so, while others at least circumvented commenting directly on this issue, and wound up discussing my alignment instead .. which could be a sign of scum probing for information following the scare that the game might be breakable.
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.
What about his responses make you think he's town?
Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
his vote is still on geript. he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai.
Who except Trfel and Vivax made a case against scott? Can yoube persuaded to help nudge along a Koshi or Vivax choochoo?
2) Race Bannon scumread scott31337, but then scumread Vivax and dismissed the arguments to scumread scott31337 + Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2016 23:45 Vivax wrote: I like this post. If you gonna call me mafia at least call me a dirty little scumfuck, or a conspiring backstabber. Just don't randomly shit on my posts.
It would make sense for you to say that, if your case was good. Do you believe your case was good?
I'm asking because I believe that scumhunting is about forcing scum into a corner where they have to lie, and hope that I can tell when that happens.
Absolutely I believe my case was good, I also believe the arguments on TW are good. I am just too proud to admit it and switch my vote, which won't be necessary cause I'm fairly sure mafia is getting trashed.
1. It was fairly early and scott hasn't posted enough for a good case.
3) What geript said about Race Bannon doing nothing relevant to the lynch, then posting exactly at the deadline with nothing relevant, and then vanishing
So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game. But imagining for a moment that he is town, and he actually believes what he is saying. 40 minutes from the deadline, he's super confident that Vivax is mafia because he scumslipped, and that Koshi is mafia with him because he scumslipped a read that depends on Vivax's alignment. And he believes this almost 100%. And town's voting for this random guy Tumblewood, who Race Bannon didn't care about enough to mention.
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.
What about his responses make you think he's town?
Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
his vote is still on geript. he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai.
Who except Trfel and Vivax made a case against scott? Can yoube persuaded to help nudge along a Koshi or Vivax choochoo?
So he posts this, 39 minutes until end of day. Which makes sense. If he is convinced that Koshi and Vivax are mafia, he should want to lynch them instead of Tumblewood, who he presumably doesn't think is mafia.
What doesn't make sense is that from here he vanishes until the deadline. Let's still assume that he is town. He comes back and sees Rels being lynched, and no one paying attention to his scumreads on Vivax and Koshi. He ought to be mad at everyone for not paying attention and mislynching the vigilante. Or maybe he would be frustrated at whatever it was that prevented him from being able to play in this crucial time to get his own lynch. But what he actually posts:
On August 31 2016 06:00 Race Bannon wrote: There's something I noticed about myself. I fucking hate it when the acting is so bad that I'm constantly being reminded of how it's a movie I'm watching. Either the acting, sometimes the casting irrevocably dooms that department entirely, or the camera keeps shaking stupidly erratic, especially when 3d, my word. Is it so hard to empathize with the viewer experience and just take Alejandro Inarritu's success as a hint? FFS, and the mobile phones.. the stupid kids with their availability issues.
The same goes for people breaking the reading experience in forum mafia. When I'm hosting I'll totally modkill, and taste the full flavor of the subsequent bitch-fest and enjoy it to the fullest, when someone looses even a coherent sentence about anything other than game-relevant material, except material used for jokes or whatever.
I vehemently denounce this entitlement of a player to think they can bring into this picture their real life persona, what they're doing or would like to do outside of this game.. who the fuck wants to see a player as anything other than the cog in the machinery. Random people .. evoking contexts like wht they eat, where they drive, dota and wow .. what? Why is this relevant to my experience? I am well advised to decide that scum could just as well lie about being unavailable and some such, so where's the fucking point of interluding the flow of relevant conversation, just to "announce" I'll want to play dota .. like "wrap this up people, I got somewhere to be". No you don't you piece of shit. You don't exist outside the context of this game, for anyone inside this game. .. For real.
Sry, meant to play but had to get this off my chest.
Complaining about people talking about things outside of the game and having excuses for not being active? Really? After he was just gone and uninvolved for the 39 minutes leading up to the lynch?
There is zero reason for this to ever be in a town mindset.
On August 31 2016 06:25 disformation wrote: I kinda think ppl pilling onto TW kinda steadily all day and suddenly _ALL_ switching with little resistance esp after the claim means TW is town? As in both wagons were town.
Hey disformation, when you wake up, I'm having trouble understanding this wagon analysis. Is it to do with how the Tumblewood wagon built? Because I would think that if a bunch of people switch off of a wagon quickly, it's more likely for that wagon to be on mafia, right?
omw to work. but yes basically. as far as i remember tw wagon build kinda steadily, with only a few ppl waffly on geript and like 2-3 on scott. wasnt a 100% slamdunk wagon though so i neef to check tinings and votes
On August 31 2016 06:25 disformation wrote: I kinda think ppl pilling onto TW kinda steadily all day and suddenly _ALL_ switching with little resistance esp after the claim means TW is town? As in both wagons were town.
Hey disformation, when you wake up, I'm having trouble understanding this wagon analysis. Is it to do with how the Tumblewood wagon built? Because I would think that if a bunch of people switch off of a wagon quickly, it's more likely for that wagon to be on mafia, right?
omw to work. but yes basically. as far as i remember tw wagon build kinda steadily, with only a few ppl waffly on geript and like 2-3 on scott. wasnt a 100% slamdunk wagon though so i neef to check tinings and votes
oh nearly forgot the part: ppl switching quickly between two wagons can also mean both are town. not 100% sure on this stuff as I need to do some actual work on this. this being said I am now at work, so I am not sure when I can do all that filtering, but I will do stuff b4 n1 is over.
Tictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is: + Show Spoiler [Examples] +
On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote: fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript.
What about his responses make you think he's town?
Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him.
On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote: I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now.
On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote: honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now or maybe hf circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed
Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game.
On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble.
But he switches to Rels anyway.
On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote: I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels.
And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all.
Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch:
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him.
On August 31 2016 16:29 Trfel wrote: Race Bannon (...) So, I don't think that any of his arguments make sense this whole game.
I don't think you think that.
Glad to see that as soon as I scumread you, you appear It's like magic!
Do you have any further comments on my case?
Yes, and I though I made myself clear. I'd like you to elaborate on my arguments. AMA
In the following spoiler are my attempts to understand your reads. + Show Spoiler +
"This. I expect scum to slip when they're being questioned about a post, as opposed to during the initial post. In this case I think Vivax gave himself away when he failed to censor out the wording which indicates a conspiratorial approach to this conversation. He says "other reasons", as if fostering an air of mystery around the faction which he is a part of, whereas town would ask "is he more protective of Rels because of mafia reasons"."
I really, really don't understand why this is significant, in the slightest. "Other reasons" implies that one possibility is the subject being mafia.
"If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way."
Allow me to restate: Koshi did something last game when he was town. Because he did the same thing in this game, I think that he's mafia doing this specifically aimed to fool me.
So, what ever prevents Koshi from being town and just thinking the same way he did last game, since he was town last game?!!!?!?!!? This doesn't make him mafia in the slightest.
"It boils down to this: how can he warrant using vivax's alignment to incriminate Tumble here, hmm? Even if it's sort of a transition to disformation, that's not important. He's basically scumclaiming for both him and vivax."
Except that's not what Koshi said at all. Koshi said that Tumblewood is mafia because of the way that Tumblewood said "Vivax is town" at the end of his post. Koshi said absolutely nothing about Vivax's alignment, so it has nothing to do with what you are saying.
My turn
So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337?
I disagree and rage against the fact that I was unable to join anything for the last 3 months
Proof
So only I can be correct, this is not Rogue One but rather this is simply Space Battleship Yamato.
Therefore, I must muster the fleet to combat it, we must launch space battleships Iowa, Missouri, New Jersey, and Wisconsin to support; the Yamato is simply too powerful
Trfel: I really, really don't understand why this is significant, in the slightest. "Other reasons" implies that one possibility is the subject being mafia.
This is my point, why would a townie imply anything, when he can simply say the subject might be mafia.. the dramatic aspect of it makes me think that this is a juncture, where wording diverges based on alignment.
Allow me to restate: Koshi did something last game when he was town. Because he did the same thing in this game, I think that he's mafia doing this specifically aimed to fool me.
So, what ever prevents Koshi from being town and just thinking the same way he did last game, since he was town last game?!!!?!?!!? This doesn't make him mafia in the slightest.
The opposite is far more probable as I've explained, the interaction with me, the voting me.. there's no reason for him to do that other than backdooring his meta into the picture. Like why did noone else scumread me throughout the entire game, except geript who was pissed at my entrance but didn't admit it, which broght him into a precarious situation, there's a reason for that.
"It boils down to this: how can he warrant using vivax's alignment to incriminate Tumble here, hmm? Even if it's sort of a transition to disformation, that's not important. He's basically scumclaiming for both him and vivax."
Except that's not what Koshi said at all. Koshi said that Tumblewood is mafia because of the way that Tumblewood said "Vivax is town" at the end of his post. Koshi said absolutely nothing about Vivax's alignment, so it has nothing to do with what you are saying.
And yeh geript/trfel he looks bad but your case trfel didn't really sway me to call him mafia. I'll have a look into him later but his koshi case was so wtf when i read it... like he took towny things and just made the people mafia instead.
So, since you were scumreading scott31337 early on, how could you be so sure that Vivax is mafia, since he posted the biggest case on scott31337?
Read case, ask if no comprende
I don't get it, that's why I'm asking
You go so far as to say that it was too early to make a good case on scott31337. So, okay, why were you scumreading scott31337???
Fuck scott, you're asking why I was sure of Vivax, and it's rigt there in the case.
I've already said why I don't think that makes sense, but okay, it's not worth arguing about.
In your scumread of Vivax, are you not considering the rest of his play? For instance, the push he's made for quite a while, and is by far the thing he's been most involved with? If you don't agree with this push, then presumably you disagree with the reasons that Vivax provided. In which case, I'd like to know the reasons that you were scumreading scott31337 for early on, and they'd better be different from the ones that Vivax posted.
Race Bannon seems to be genuinely annoyed though, which feels much more like a town mindset than a mafia mindset sigh... Everything he does seems so mafia, but maybe he's somehow town anyway...
EPT
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It's like magic!
sigh... Everything he does seems so mafia, but maybe he's somehow town anyway...
