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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 28 2016 05:26 oBlade wrote: copypasta a strawman tweet from a rightwing mouthpiece, this is your sophisticated know-better outlook? Look, we get it, don't put all your chips on mainstream media clickbait headlines. That's like 101 level stuff. Maybe you'd like to address the issue of the would-be leader of the free world joking about the latest crater in the world's shiny new global battlefield called cyberespionage. | ||
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
On July 28 2016 05:07 EatThePath wrote: Oh I see, you mean like calling for russian hackers to access and leak classified communications? I don't really agree with Trump's style of campaigning, and quite frankly I voted for Ted Cruz in the primary, however if you get past the bombastic rhetoric Trump's campaign platform fairly solid policy wise. EDIT: Of course I completely understand why many people dislike Trump and will not vote for him, obviously if you are on the progressive side of things you will vote Hillary and I have several conservative friends who have severe issues with Trump's personality. WhatI am trying to address here is the fact that, if you have a conservative worldview, than I think voting for Trump is the correct choice from a policy prospective however personally repulsive/bombastic he is. (For the record I do not think what Trump says to be that out there, I think our political and media culture is way too concerned with political correctness at the expense of looking issues squarely in the face). | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 28 2016 05:53 SlammerIV wrote: I don't really agree with Trump's style of campaigning, and quite frankly I voted for Ted Cruz in the primary, however if you get past the bombastic rhetoric Trump's campaign platform fairly solid policy wise. EDIT: Of course I completely understand why many people dislike Trump and will not vote for him, obviously if you are on the progressive side of things you will vote Hillary and I have several conservative friends who have severe issues with Trump's personality. WhatI am trying to address here is the fact that, if you have a conservative worldview, than I think voting for Trump is the correct choice from a policy prospective however personally repulsive/bombastic he is. (For the record I do not think what Trump says to be that out there, I think our political and media culture is way too concerned with political correctness at the expense of looking issues squarely in the face). Power to you, vote the ticket I guess [edit] I can see that, and it's refreshing to have someone explain their support without an apology in their throat or a leering challenge. But it seems like an oversimplification to vote for the policy platform concocted by whatever's left of the republican party and disavow any concern over leadership qualities. I'm sure we don't agree on much at a surface level but I appreciate your honesty and candor. FWIW, my take: political correctness is both an overgrown credo and a misunderstood (valuable) social evolution, with much improvement on public discourse needed regardless, including less adherence to mindless pc. But just because you're not pc doesn't mean you're helping anything. | ||
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oBlade
United States5132 Posts
On July 28 2016 05:53 EatThePath wrote: copypasta a strawman tweet from a rightwing mouthpiece, this is your sophisticated know-better outlook? Look, we get it, don't put all your chips on mainstream media clickbait headlines. That's like 101 level stuff. Maybe you'd like to address the issue of the would-be leader of the free world joking about the latest crater in the world's shiny new global battlefield called cyberespionage. What's the problem exactly? | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
So you see no problem with laughing off a foreign power's direct meddling in our political process? A foreign power historically and continually directly opposed to the influence and standing of the U.S., with a fascist leader and clear aims of militaristic expansion. And you're giving out advice like people should take you seriously. | ||
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oBlade
United States5132 Posts
On July 28 2016 06:20 EatThePath wrote: So you see no problem with laughing off a foreign power's direct meddling in our political process? A foreign power historically and continually directly opposed to the influence and standing of the U.S., with a fascist leader and clear aims of militaristic expansion. Are you talking about Wikileaks? DJT made a simple, easy to understand jab at HRC's missing emails, like he's done many times before. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 28 2016 06:42 oBlade wrote: Are you talking about Wikileaks? DJT made a simple, easy to understand jab at HRC's missing emails, like he's done many times before. Like I said... avoiding any kind of serious response and parroting a superficially related political message. Literally going for personal benefit at the expense of national security. It's not that he said something that can only be defended as a joke, if you call that a joke. It's that that was the only statement about it from him. The only thing he had to say about it, we shouldn't take seriously! Color me reassured? | ||
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oBlade
United States5132 Posts
On July 28 2016 06:52 EatThePath wrote: Like I said... avoiding any kind of serious response and parroting a superficially related political message. Literally going for personal benefit at the expense of national security. It's not that he said something that can only be defended as a joke, if you call that a joke. It's that that was the only statement about it from him. The only thing he had to say about it, we shouldn't take seriously! Color me reassured? I really don't know what your problem is, either in general or as regards this bit about the emails, which is why I wanted you to explain the problem in your own words, but I'm just getting nonsense buzzwords like "national security." I don't think you or anybody else knows where the DNC leak came from, and Trump said as much. You're playing up the narrative about Russia that the media ran with, okay; let's say for argument that were all true and everybody is a Putin stooge. Are you trying to tell me you need a presidential nominee to explain hacking is bad or you'll be totally lost and can't make up your own mind? | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On July 28 2016 07:17 oBlade wrote: I really don't know what your problem is, either in general or as regards this bit about the emails, which is why I wanted you to explain the problem in your own words, but I'm just getting nonsense buzzwords like "national security." I don't think you or anybody else knows where the DNC leak came from, and Trump said as much. You're playing up the narrative about Russia that the media ran with, okay; let's say for argument that were all true and everybody is a Putin stooge. Are you trying to tell me you need a presidential nominee to explain hacking is bad or you'll be totally lost and can't make up your own mind? Sorry, this will get you up to date: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack I don't expect you to actually engage with my arguments at this point, I'm just laying it out for anyone reading a trump thread who has a brain to be saved. | ||
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oBlade
United States5132 Posts
On July 28 2016 07:44 EatThePath wrote: Sorry, this will get you up to date: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-signs-point-to-russia-being-behind-the-dnc-hack I don't expect you to actually engage with my arguments at this point, I'm just laying it out for anyone reading a trump thread who has a brain to be saved. You're not making arguments, you're just spamming sanctimony. Can you name anything DJT has said or done that you agree with? | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
However, at the end of the day, Trump is a businessman, not a politician. America is not a business, it's a country. I don't think a businessman should be the commander-in-chief of a country. if he really wanted to be involved in politics, it would make much more sense to have him as Secretary of Treasury, not the president. Just on paper, if Trump was elected president, he would have command of the armed forces, be in charge of foreign policy, appoint.nominate federal officials/judges, and the power of executive order. In my opinion, that is too much power to be giving to a businessman, let alone Trump of all people. Would Hilary be a better president than Trump? Maybe yes, maybe not, but i would rather knowingly elect someone ill-suited/moderately prepared for the job than to elect Trump, who has no prior experience in politics and no available voting record.. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Your opinion is uninformed and worthless. Your only sources of information are sensationalist news outlets and satirical comedy shows. You could not possibly serve effectively as HR in deciding the person who would be most qualified to run a country. This is the failure of democracy, and the only thing that protects you at all from your own catastrophic incompetence is that the people able to run for the position are usually highly motivated to do their best, are already living comfortably, and have the support of actually knowledgeable advisors whose positions were not determined by popular vote. The reason Trump is a frightening figure is that he cannot even portray the image that he cares about and understands domestic and international issues. He flings shit at the current sitting president, gets into petty internet fights, pulls those petty fights into his speeches, and basically only gives the impression that he does not have the resolve and fortitude to cooperate globally with other countries. His only vague promises have to do with "making other countries pay," which to me sounds like the seeds of war and distrust. Running a country is not like running a business, the goal is not the maximize profits. If Trump becomes president, America's relationships with many countries it depends on across the world are likely to become very sour, and the next president will have a hell of a mess to clean up with international relations. All that said, Hilary is prominent for almost the same reason. Her family has been in the public consciousness since her husband's scandal. It doesn't matter a bit that everything people say about both people is negative. You recognize the name, you vote for it. I still think Hilary is going to be more competent. If only because she's more likely to listen to the advice she receives from experts. The email scandals are genuinely concerning, and all you can really hope is that the tech stuff is so set up and automatic for the president that they could not possibly screw it up. If Trump somehow dropped out and were replaced, you could bet that person eats up the vote just from how sick people are of the scandals. All you would have to do is keep your mouth shut, and even petty name recognition shouldn't be enough to beat the breath of fresh air that would be. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On August 05 2016 03:46 Chef wrote: If you had to vote for the best chef in the world, you would probably pick Gordon Ramsay. I'd pick Rachael Ray. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
Thread saved, God bless. | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
One bad, the other terrible. There is no worse choice than Hillary, period. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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topschutter
Netherlands93 Posts
Before you know it he is actually starting to build a wall. When asked who will pay the wall, his anwser: Mexico. The obvious follow up question is of course how will you make Mexico pay. No anwser is given by Trump. | ||
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oBlade
United States5132 Posts
On August 21 2016 05:52 topschutter wrote: I'm not sure why anyone would support Trump. If you just watch one of his speeches, they are of no substance and his comments are quite disturbing. Sure you want someone who takes action, but the real question is do you want Trump to be the person that is making the decisions of the action. No. Before you know it he is actually starting to build a wall. When asked who will pay the wall, his anwser: Mexico. The obvious follow up question is of course how will you make Mexico pay. No anwser is given by Trump. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall | ||
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topschutter
Netherlands93 Posts
Thanks! In theory this sounds like a decent plan, especially how it shows reasons to compell Mexcio to pay (not force them to pay, but compell them to pay says a lot about the plan), but in my opinion it is very naive to think this will work. Not even mentioning how incredibly absurd it is to want to build a wall in the first place. | ||
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