Am I crazy for supporting Donald Trump? - Page 7

He corrupts the political discourse through his name-calling and twitter-campaign (it's impossible to express a nuanced thought through 140 characters - politics should by nature be an extremely nuanced platform).

On August 23 2016 00:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I didn't notice this blog yet, but it warrants response.

You're not stupid or crazy for supporting Trump. But your reasoning for supporting him really matters.

I think it is entirely legitimate if you support donald trump based on his policies. In that event, I assume it's largely based on his stance on immigration coupled with an impression of a semi-socially liberal platform. Nobody on the left has the Trumpian attitude towards immigration, and unlike other republican candidates who are tough on immigration, there is at least a chance of Trump being somewhat socially liberal, because he has espoused somewhat socially liberal views in the past. Assuming that he is pandering to the republican base when he's presenting views you don't agree with (and that are inconsistent with views he's had in the past) makes some sense. It doesn't fully make sense to have this point of view and then to also assume that he's not pandering to your views when he's presenting policy that you are a fan of, but this is fair enough. You don't have to agree with everything he says to think he is the better candidate anyway.

Then personally, there are aspects of his candidacy that scare me personally because there are political issues I find hugely important that Trump is in total opposition to. For one, I think climate change represents the biggest threat to the world. Not terrorism, not war in the middle east, not immigration, not an aging or lazy population getting too high benefits, but climate change. For people who worry about immigration, they should echo this sentiment; climate change seems likely to force the relocation of unprecedented numbers of people through the next century. The west has completely failed to accommodate 3 million syrian refugees. If Bangladesh gets too flooded, Middle East gets too hot, Himalayas start being less able to supply water for 1.4 billion people (and while I am not saying that climate change will definitely lead to all of these happening during the next century, and it's possible that technological advances will largely be able to deal with the consequences of these issues), one of them to some degree coming true is likely to lead to a refugee crisis 20+ times the size we've been unable to deal with.

And Trump has stated that he thinks climate change is a chinese hoax to hurt american industry. It's an absolutely ignorant and dangerous statement to make from any leader figure. It's anti-science.

And that is another fundamental problem with Trump on policy level. He willingly panders to anti-science crowds - and this is dangerous because then he enables these points of views in a way that contributes to the extended ignorance of those groups. On March 28. 2014, he stated that there are MANY CASES of vaccines causing autism in children, another profoundly ignorant, stupid and dangerous statement to make.

And stuff like this makes it really hard for me to accept it when people use Trump's personal character as any type of reasoning for why they want to vote for him. I get that Clinton is perceived as untrustworthy. Absolutely. I have no problems with accepting that she's willing to lie for her own personal benefit. But then people are using this as justification for voting for one of the very few people in your entire country with a significantly worse relationship with the truth! Trump just fucking makes up stuff as he goes along. He earlier claimed to be pro-life, now he's pro-choice. He's the most christian of all republicans, but doesn't go to church, and some young independents seem to like him because he's plausibly an atheist republican. He corrupts the political discourse through his name-calling and twitter-campaign (it's impossible to express a nuanced thought through 140 characters - politics should by nature be an extremely nuanced platform). He is an absolute megalomaniac with clear narcissistic traits.

Essentially, I feel like there are only two intellectually honest and non-ignorant reasonings behind supporting Trump. One, you feel that immigration is the by far biggest issue facing the US and you want to deport all illegal immigrants, build a wall, and possibly have a moratorium on muslims entering the US. (Basically, if your point of view is that immigration is the societal issue, in the same way I feel about climate change, it's perfectly reasonable to prioritize this when voting). Two, you are fundamentally ideologically opposed to mostly all liberal political platforms, and you realize that a republican candidate will mean more christianity in school and society, conservative supreme justices, harder to get abortions, less focus on public education / health care as opposed to private options, more focus on the individual over the collective (although the libertarian wing of republicans seem very weak nowadays), less taxation and redistribution. Voting Trump because of policy is fair enough.
But voting for Donald Trump because of the 'honesty of his character' or 'because he says stuff like it is' or whatever, that is profoundly ignorant. He lies and panders more than any other candidate, ever.

On February 14 2017 05:44 FuDDx wrote:
Did not vote for him
Do not care for him.

I do believe he is racist or at the least pandering to that crowd which is just as bad.

I truly believe he is more interested in serving his own needs and those of corporate America more than the American people.

In my opinion he is an idiot a smart idiot but an idiot non the less. I am embarrassed to have him represent us to the world. Trying to understand those who voted for him is beyond me as I am sure those who did can not understand me.

And to be completely honest I know in my mind that those who voted or support him are not automatically an Idiot or stupid.As much as I hate to say it I would hold it against you at least a bit. As unfair as that may be.

On February 14 2017 03:50 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
So I am really interested in your opinion now? Are you content with your choice?

On February 14 2017 11:02 Starlightsun wrote:


It had already changed before the election. No I don't like the things he is doing, but one positive thing is I think that he is shaking people out of their indifference and ennui concerning politics. Our country is fragmented in so many ways, and a villain to fight against may just be the second best thing to a hero to rally behind. Hopefully he doesn't do too much damage globally, and maybe the political and military clout of the US will wane through his isolationist leanings and impulsive decision making.

On February 14 2017 09:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:

concerning the representing part: everyone i know agrees that he is terrible and we are afraid of what might happen, but we do realize that he does not represent the views of all americans, we just mainly feel bad for you.

nevertheless i am openly curious about the perspective of trump supporters as i cannot seem to find any.