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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
Other than fish ladder Scan is mostly active in the foreign and chinese scene (got kicked out of chinese osl for "lag" like eon and played some 2v2 events also) | ||
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GoShox
United States1835 Posts
On July 19 2015 13:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Paranoid Android in the map pool? I approve I love the map, but as I posted earlier (which got lost in the argument about Scan playing which sounds eerily familiar to the argument about Idra playing in TSL2), it has a pretty big positional advantage. The top base mines faster than the right base, and I don't think this has ever been fixed, since workers mine minerals faster horizontally rather than vertically. There were some great games in WCG on this map, but it was always understood that the map wasn't exactly fair. I'm just curious as to if this was known about and already discussed. I'm all for seeing older maps as they allow for completely different playstyles, but when you play a game on Paranoid Android and spawn at 1 and know you're already behind, it kinda sucks. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised that little people discuss Scan and not other issues with this tournament. Since this is going to be weekly, I don't quite get why you need a Bo1 for a SE tournament only. It'll take some time to organize, sure, but it'll be quick enough. I seriously doubt that in the long run more than 40 people will sign up in total. As for old map goes, PA seems like a questionable pick, not only because of the minerals, but also because it seems really awkward to play with modern strategies. There are other maps you could try, for example R-Point, Arcadia 2 or something really wacky like Bifrost. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
I think players should have the final word, because no players means no event, or you can make a poll and see what the community thinks first. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 19 2015 16:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: you can man up all what u want the result will be the same. no long ago Scan was asking money to allow you to watch his practise games vs zero,i doubt zero will waste a time with some low level terran to train for SSL,yah Scan already played in sonic leagues,someone forgot he won movie and some others ? Why are you lying to make my image ugly? "Scan was asking money..." Skype chatlog with other person asked. [2015-07-10 오전 4:04:51] Celetuiw: i read on TL you are a practice partner for some quite good ex pro's. Like Zero for example? [2015-07-10 오전 4:19:18] Celetuiw: any chance you can share some of those replays with ICCup? :> [2015-07-10 오전 4:53:35] BJ스캔: uh [2015-07-10 오전 4:53:50] BJ스캔: when SSL is over, maybe. [2015-07-10 오전 4:54:51] Celetuiw: okay. contact me then :> [2015-07-10 오전 4:55:20] Celetuiw: those would be some very sweet replays. The ICC team would be very thankful. But i understand if you can't do it This is why I decided to delete you on Skype contact list. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
On July 19 2015 18:05 LaStScan wrote: Why are you lying to make my image ugly? "Scan was asking money..." Skype chatlog with other person asked. [2015-07-10 오전 4:04:51] Celetuiw: i read on TL you are a practice partner for some quite good ex pro's. Like Zero for example? [2015-07-10 오전 4:19:18] Celetuiw: any chance you can share some of those replays with ICCup? :> [2015-07-10 오전 4:53:35] BJ스캔: uh [2015-07-10 오전 4:53:50] BJ스캔: when SSL is over, maybe. [2015-07-10 오전 4:54:51] Celetuiw: okay. contact me then :> [2015-07-10 오전 4:55:20] Celetuiw: those would be some very sweet replays. The ICC team would be very thankful. But i understand if you can't do it This is why I decided to delete you on Skype contact list. dont try to lie bro,u come to defiler.ru and asked for money to allow us to watch ur games vs zero YES OR NO ?,and u better start to say yes cuz i have more than 15 people that can confirm this,we laugh at you cuz we can watch pro vs pros for free,useless to pay you vs zero... and u deleted me from skype cuz i told you to stop making higher ranks on fish playing foreigners and play some good koreans,:smart: but is natural in you to lie i think ^_^ ur image is already damaged when u cheated in TSL 2 ,dont u remember ?well im here to remember you dont worry. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9454 Posts
On July 19 2015 16:55 GoShox wrote: I love the map, but as I posted earlier (which got lost in the argument about Scan playing which sounds eerily familiar to the argument about Idra playing in TSL2), it has a pretty big positional advantage. The top base mines faster than the right base, and I don't think this has ever been fixed, since workers mine minerals faster horizontally rather than vertically. There were some great games in WCG on this map, but it was always understood that the map wasn't exactly fair. I'm just curious as to if this was known about and already discussed. I'm all for seeing older maps as they allow for completely different playstyles, but when you play a game on Paranoid Android and spawn at 1 and know you're already behind, it kinda sucks. On July 19 2015 17:41 GeckoXp wrote: Yeah, I'm kinda surprised that little people discuss Scan and not other issues with this tournament. Since this is going to be weekly, I don't quite get why you need a Bo1 for a SE tournament only. It'll take some time to organize, sure, but it'll be quick enough. I seriously doubt that in the long run more than 40 people will sign up in total. As for old map goes, PA seems like a questionable pick, not only because of the minerals, but also because it seems really awkward to play with modern strategies. There are other maps you could try, for example R-Point, Arcadia 2 or something really wacky like Bifrost. These are good suggestions and something that we're willing to change as we go along. I remember some discussion about positional imbalance in Paranoid Android, but I don't think it was that big as you make it seem. TLPD shows it has almost perfect race stats: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/international/maps/124_Paranoid_Android However, we'll investigate if the mineral difference is enough to make a difference and either fix the map or change it altogether. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9454 Posts
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vanatir
Germany355 Posts
@scan You tried to sell your replays and bm eon for telling facts? Your image is self owned by your behaviour and the abuse in the previous TLS. Guess thats the necessary contribution to the community which compensate the other facts. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 19 2015 18:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: dont try to lie bro,u come to defiler.ru and asked for money to allow us to watch ur games vs zero YES OR NO ?,and u better start to say yes cuz i have more than 15 people that can confirm this,we laugh at you cuz we can watch pro vs pros for free,useless to pay you vs zero... and u deleted me from skype cuz i told you to stop making higher ranks on fish playing foreigners and play some good koreans,:smart: but is natural in you to lie i think ^_^ ur image is already damaged when u cheated in TSL 2 ,dont u remember ?well im here to remember you dont worry. You only know how to annoy and insult me. Zero called and searched me where I was because he wanted to practice with me. Majority side of defiler chatting users are troll. If I've asked money, it's joke anyways. Why? Zero and I wouldn't play and let random to observe his practice games. I also cannot stream the practice games. I've found some Russians record my stream and then post on YouTube. What kind of thoughts do you have in your brain? Who would want to let observer slots that we do not know? If trutacz, marwin or any other users who are close and showed good manner to me asked to watch, then I would let them. However, I cannot stream for you guys. You guys spread things everywhere. Ask anyone a general question about this. Who would let random users to watch his practice match that is quite important and big money is involved? Btw, you always acted like a child in iFU skype group chat also. Talking trash to me all the time. I also can assume that I've earned more credits (trust) than you, eonzerg. Your image is pretty sneaky bm user to me. Oh yeah, you probably would like to edit, but too late. You said you told me to stop playing against newbs to get higher rank. So you are indirectly mentioning that I am bad. Bring facts if you would like to argue. Brush your prejudice on the other side like a man and talk. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
On July 19 2015 19:31 LaStScan wrote: You only know insulting me. Simple as that. Majority side of defiler chatting users are troll. If I've asked money, it's joke anyways. Why? Zero and I wouldn't play and let random to observe his practice games. I also cannot stream the practice games. I've found some Russians record my stream and then post on YouTube. What kind of thoughts do you have in your brain? Who would want to let observer slots that we do not know? If trutacz, marwin or any other users who are close and showed good manner to me asked to watch, then I would let them. However, I cannot stream for you guys. You guys spread things everywhere. Ask anyone a general question about this. Who would let random users to watch his practice match that is quite important and big money is involved? Btw, you always acted like a child in iFU skype group chat also. Talking trash to me all the time. I also can assume that I've earned more credits (trust) than you, eonzerg. Your image is pretty sneaky bm user to me. but i dont sell my games  remember ?? yah TSL 2 | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6432 Posts
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
im rooting for him :D | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 19 2015 19:40 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Btw scan u didnt get the point,i dont care what you do, i pointed it to people see with who u train and the level you re compared to ours,u shouldnt be playing in this class of level but sonic qualifiers or fish leagues.But is all about the money and is free money to you i guess Last reply to your words, fish leagues are for the channel list (showing how strong their teams are) and team clan's icon. Sonic's starleagues are offline competition. I don't have time, and time does not match to my life. You should stick with your words. "Stop playing foreigners to get higher rank..." I play with anyone who messages me in ladder. "We watch pro vs pro for free" Nope. Someone pays them to play most of the time on Afreeca. You clearly do not know the Korean culture well including afreeca community's flow. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On July 19 2015 18:37 2Pacalypse- wrote: These are good suggestions and something that we're willing to change as we go along. I remember some discussion about positional imbalance in Paranoid Android, but I don't think it was that big as you make it seem. TLPD shows it has almost perfect race stats: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/international/maps/124_Paranoid_Android However, we'll investigate if the mineral difference is enough to make a difference and either fix the map or change it altogether. Yeah, these numbers are like eight years old. Eon mentioned the awkward Natural Expansion, which seems to favour Z over any race on this map, since it's rather hard to Fast Expand there. I'm not a top level player, but that's the feature that catches the eye. Also, keep in mind that the WCG numbers do not neccessarily say much for such a small observation. Half of the games were played between really good players and rather weak players. There's not much knowledge to be gained if you see Stork walking over Westside for instance. | ||
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Sea[SR]
United States29 Posts
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