EPTTeamLiquid Legacy Cup Series - Page 6
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
im in for Bifrost but the new version that ex progamers are playing right now with gaz in the back and the hole blocked by some generator,otherwise this map is really bad in my eyes.  | ||
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sasvorti00
Hungary90 Posts
On July 19 2015 21:19 trutaCz wrote: I just want to kill Sziky, then i can call myself a winner of competition. Sziky cant play summer T_T : ) | ||
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sasvorti00
Hungary90 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On July 19 2015 21:40 vortiT_T wrote: eon vs scan showmatch gogo winner won maphack in tour (only 1 monitor,not need 2 ! ) :D ajjajaajjaja <3 pvp gogo! | ||
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skzlime
Hungary462 Posts
personally i will probably not prepare as much if he does as i would otherwise (which is basically the main thing dragon was saying), but i might not prepare as much even if he didn't. who gives a shit? i don't think i should be "catered to" by banning scan because he further accumulated his skill advantage while i did other shit. i also must say this huge break was a pretty fucking big letdown to the point where i didn't even care if this thing ever happened anymore, which i realise has already been apologised for profusely but whatever. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
He actually played in both TSLs and has a thread open in the TL strategy section. | ||
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neteX
Sweden285 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10034 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9476 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:45 skzlime wrote: i mostly agree with what dragon said and the way he said it. i think his concern holds truth, his arguments are fine, he isn't being overly dramatic, and he isn't a "little person" for speaking his mind in a well-mannered tone. however, i think scan should definitely be allowed to participate. personally i will probably not prepare as much if he does as i would otherwise (which is basically the main thing dragon was saying), but i might not prepare as much even if he didn't. who gives a shit? i don't think i should be "catered to" by banning scan because he further accumulated his skill advantage while i did other shit. i also must say this huge break was a pretty fucking big letdown to the point where i didn't even care if this thing ever happened anymore, which i realise has already been apologised for profusely but whatever. Yeah, huge break was letdown for us as well; we're trying to make it right now. And I appreciate your post. That's exactly the kind of discussion we had in the staff forums and came to the very similar conclusion. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On July 19 2015 18:51 vanatir wrote: @2pac Race stats have nothing to do with positional imbalance. @scan You tried to sell your replays and bm eon for telling facts? Your image is self owned by your behaviour and the abuse in the previous TLS. Guess thats the necessary contribution to the community which compensate the other facts. If you still think my behavior stays the same as before, then I'll work on myself more. It is very common to sell replays. Ask other Korean streamers. Do you really think top sc streamers on afreeca would give replays easily when some random people that they had rarely contacted each other? No. They at least sent some balloons to streamers to get it. I am not a afreeca streamer, but I do this way because I think it is right that not giving away replays for free due to the fact that players are revealing their playstyles, specific build orders, army units positioning, and etc. People wanted the whole reppack. Then my reppack has a value. A lot of mechanical skills and build orders are in it. | ||
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Shinrei
United States236 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On July 19 2015 19:46 Rekrul wrote: the fear of scan in this thread is impressive im rooting for him :D He can't really lose, I'm pretty sure the skill gap between Scan and the rest today is far bigger than Idra vs the rest from TSL. Also, the scene is far less active and probably far less exciting and motivating for players (as has been brought to light by many top level players in this thread). You should probably hope for something less likely and more encompassing. Like: "I am rooting for Scan to win by a small margin" ~ Therefore you're still rooting for him, but you're also rooting for the outraged players to be proved wrong. | ||
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GoShox
United States1835 Posts
On July 19 2015 18:37 2Pacalypse- wrote: These are good suggestions and something that we're willing to change as we go along. I remember some discussion about positional imbalance in Paranoid Android, but I don't think it was that big as you make it seem. TLPD shows it has almost perfect race stats: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/international/maps/124_Paranoid_Android However, we'll investigate if the mineral difference is enough to make a difference and either fix the map or change it altogether. Race stats are irrelevant as this is a positional advantage issue. I could easily be overestimating the advantage, but any advantage that a player gets from spawning in a certain position, regardless how big, is a bad thing. It could probably easily be fixed by changing the layout of the 1 o'clock base so that the minerals are on the left side, so that each player still has easy access to the other player's mineral line via air. Eonzerg mentioned changing the natural, but honestly I'd love for the rest of the map to stay as it is. Current playstyles don't work too well on older maps, and I think it'd be better to throw in different maps like Paranoid Android where a Protoss can't easily FE but a 1 Gate tech or 2 Gate build work perfectly fine. Or where a Zerg can't easily grab a natural that has a main right behind it, basically grabbing two bases at once. Sometimes I like to go back and watch some of those old WCG games, and there were some crazy scenarios (example: + Show Spoiler + Edit: Also I haven't actually said it but thanks to everyone involved for hosting this tournament. I thought I had completely quit PC gaming but seeing this makes me wanna start playing BW again, and the temptation is quite big. | ||
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[SWE-1]rUSKIG
Sweden9 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10654 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9476 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:38 GoShox wrote: Race stats are irrelevant as this is a positional advantage issue. I could easily be overestimating the advantage, but any advantage that a player gets from spawning in a certain position, regardless how big, is a bad thing. It could probably easily be fixed by changing the layout of the 1 o'clock base so that the minerals are on the left side, so that each player still has easy access to the other player's mineral line via air. Eonzerg mentioned changing the natural, but honestly I'd love for the rest of the map to stay as it is. Current playstyles don't work too well on older maps, and I think it'd be better to throw in different maps like Paranoid Android where a Protoss can't easily FE but a 1 Gate tech or 2 Gate build work perfectly fine. Or where a Zerg can't easily grab a natural that has a main right behind it, basically grabbing two bases at once. Sometimes I like to go back and watch some of those old WCG games, and there were some crazy scenarios (example: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40XQGVV2df4 Edit: Also I haven't actually said it but thanks to everyone involved for hosting this tournament. I thought I had completely quit PC gaming but seeing this makes me wanna start playing BW again, and the temptation is quite big. Thanks for the post. That's exactly the reason why we included PA in the map pool (besides the sponsor expressing his wishes to see a WCG map in it ^^). I think it's great to have a one or two maps that requires different playstyles instead of always the same standard builds. Paranoid Android was probably my favorite WCG map, so I'm curious to see what kind of games we get on it nowadays. And yeah, positional advantage will get investigated and fixed if necessary. | ||
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
Looking forward to the sick games on all the maps, I hope the cups inspire some preparation! On July 19 2015 19:46 Rekrul wrote: the fear of scan in this thread is impressive im rooting for him :D Definitely impressive, but who knows the outcome :D , like with Nony in TLS2 my bracket will be one of the top 3 (yes) As for Paranoid Android, please work on the positional balance, if you can get Freakling to take a look at it for you, you'll get positional balance beyond anything the koreans ever provided even with a paid group of mapmakers! Also Draw is going to beat Sziky, called it first (bandit) | ||
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria474 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10654 Posts
Although he thinks the rules make no sense. "No Korean / chinese players" , "BW Foreign Scene" *A wild scan has appeared* gg | ||
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