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trutaCz
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland686 Posts
July 19 2015 12:19 GMT
#101
I just want to kill Sziky, then i can call myself a winner of competition.
yo~.~
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6999 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-19 12:23:11
July 19 2015 12:22 GMT
#102
i have others ideas in my head about paranoid how to fix it a bit,and i was thinking in the case of zvt the mains are two close that 2hatch muta is very strong it will be nice to change the mineral location a bit far maybe ? .

im in for Bifrost but the new version that ex progamers are playing right now with gaz in the back and the hole blocked by some generator,otherwise this map is really bad in my eyes.
sasvorti00
Profile Joined January 2013
Hungary91 Posts
July 19 2015 12:34 GMT
#103
On July 19 2015 21:19 trutaCz wrote:
I just want to kill Sziky, then i can call myself a winner of competition.


Sziky cant play summer T_T : )
https://www.twitch.tv/sasvorti00
sasvorti00
Profile Joined January 2013
Hungary91 Posts
July 19 2015 12:40 GMT
#104
eon vs scan showmatch gogo winner won maphack in tour (only 1 monitor,not need 2 ! )
https://www.twitch.tv/sasvorti00
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6999 Posts
July 19 2015 12:43 GMT
#105
On July 19 2015 21:40 vortiT_T wrote:
eon vs scan showmatch gogo winner won maphack in tour (only 1 monitor,not need 2 ! )

:D ajjajaajjaja <3 pvp gogo!
skzlime
Profile Joined July 2005
Hungary462 Posts
July 19 2015 16:45 GMT
#106
i mostly agree with what dragon said and the way he said it. i think his concern holds truth, his arguments are fine, he isn't being overly dramatic, and he isn't a "little person" for speaking his mind in a well-mannered tone. however, i think scan should definitely be allowed to participate.
personally i will probably not prepare as much if he does as i would otherwise (which is basically the main thing dragon was saying), but i might not prepare as much even if he didn't. who gives a shit? i don't think i should be "catered to" by banning scan because he further accumulated his skill advantage while i did other shit.

i also must say this huge break was a pretty fucking big letdown to the point where i didn't even care if this thing ever happened anymore, which i realise has already been apologised for profusely but whatever.
life is balanced, L2P
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 19 2015 16:52 GMT
#107
On July 18 2015 22:03 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2015 21:39 1sh2sh3sh wrote:
No one wants to play vs korean with extra/high latency.
As you said scan was "part of foreigner bw" only because yoda dont give a f.. and let korean play DT tours.
From other tours like TSL "ALL" koreans were banned.
Foreigner scene for foreigners.

Scan played in the original TSL.


He actually played in both TSLs and has a thread open in the TL strategy section.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
July 19 2015 17:13 GMT
#108
hey stop hating on my buddy scan now and move on
http://www.twitter.com/neteXLoL flw pls
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10480 Posts
July 19 2015 17:25 GMT
#109
depending the time of this, i would love to cast. contact me if there's an open spot to commentate c:
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9539 Posts
July 19 2015 17:43 GMT
#110
On July 20 2015 01:45 skzlime wrote:
i mostly agree with what dragon said and the way he said it. i think his concern holds truth, his arguments are fine, he isn't being overly dramatic, and he isn't a "little person" for speaking his mind in a well-mannered tone. however, i think scan should definitely be allowed to participate.
personally i will probably not prepare as much if he does as i would otherwise (which is basically the main thing dragon was saying), but i might not prepare as much even if he didn't. who gives a shit? i don't think i should be "catered to" by banning scan because he further accumulated his skill advantage while i did other shit.

i also must say this huge break was a pretty fucking big letdown to the point where i didn't even care if this thing ever happened anymore, which i realise has already been apologised for profusely but whatever.

Yeah, huge break was letdown for us as well; we're trying to make it right now.

And I appreciate your post. That's exactly the kind of discussion we had in the staff forums and came to the very similar conclusion.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
July 19 2015 18:57 GMT
#111
On July 19 2015 18:51 vanatir wrote:
@2pac Race stats have nothing to do with positional imbalance.
@scan You tried to sell your replays and bm eon for telling facts? Your image is self owned by your behaviour and the abuse in the previous TLS.

Guess thats the necessary contribution to the community which compensate the other facts.


If you still think my behavior stays the same as before, then I'll work on myself more.

It is very common to sell replays. Ask other Korean streamers. Do you really think top sc streamers on afreeca would give replays easily when some random people that they had rarely contacted each other?

No. They at least sent some balloons to streamers to get it.
I am not a afreeca streamer, but I do this way because I think it is right that not giving away replays for free due to the fact that players are revealing their playstyles, specific build orders, army units positioning, and etc. People wanted the whole reppack. Then my reppack has a value. A lot of mechanical skills and build orders are in it.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States241 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-19 21:28:09
July 19 2015 21:27 GMT
#112
You guys have access to a huge Scan replay pack on here. Get studying and you just might win. :D
=^.^=
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 19 2015 21:55 GMT
#113
On July 19 2015 19:46 Rekrul wrote:
the fear of scan in this thread is impressive

im rooting for him :D

He can't really lose, I'm pretty sure the skill gap between Scan and the rest today is far bigger than Idra vs the rest from TSL. Also, the scene is far less active and probably far less exciting and motivating for players (as has been brought to light by many top level players in this thread).

You should probably hope for something less likely and more encompassing. Like:

"I am rooting for Scan to win by a small margin"

~ Therefore you're still rooting for him, but you're also rooting for the outraged players to be proved wrong.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1844 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 00:41:30
July 20 2015 00:38 GMT
#114
On July 19 2015 18:37 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 16:55 GoShox wrote:
On July 19 2015 13:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Paranoid Android in the map pool? I approve


I love the map, but as I posted earlier (which got lost in the argument about Scan playing which sounds eerily familiar to the argument about Idra playing in TSL2), it has a pretty big positional advantage. The top base mines faster than the right base, and I don't think this has ever been fixed, since workers mine minerals faster horizontally rather than vertically. There were some great games in WCG on this map, but it was always understood that the map wasn't exactly fair. I'm just curious as to if this was known about and already discussed. I'm all for seeing older maps as they allow for completely different playstyles, but when you play a game on Paranoid Android and spawn at 1 and know you're already behind, it kinda sucks.

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 17:41 GeckoXp wrote:
On July 19 2015 16:55 GoShox wrote:
On July 19 2015 13:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Paranoid Android in the map pool? I approve


map issue


Yeah, I'm kinda surprised that little people discuss Scan and not other issues with this tournament. Since this is going to be weekly, I don't quite get why you need a Bo1 for a SE tournament only. It'll take some time to organize, sure, but it'll be quick enough. I seriously doubt that in the long run more than 40 people will sign up in total.

As for old map goes, PA seems like a questionable pick, not only because of the minerals, but also because it seems really awkward to play with modern strategies. There are other maps you could try, for example R-Point, Arcadia 2 or something really wacky like Bifrost.

These are good suggestions and something that we're willing to change as we go along.

I remember some discussion about positional imbalance in Paranoid Android, but I don't think it was that big as you make it seem. TLPD shows it has almost perfect race stats: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/international/maps/124_Paranoid_Android

However, we'll investigate if the mineral difference is enough to make a difference and either fix the map or change it altogether.


Race stats are irrelevant as this is a positional advantage issue. I could easily be overestimating the advantage, but any advantage that a player gets from spawning in a certain position, regardless how big, is a bad thing. It could probably easily be fixed by changing the layout of the 1 o'clock base so that the minerals are on the left side, so that each player still has easy access to the other player's mineral line via air.

Eonzerg mentioned changing the natural, but honestly I'd love for the rest of the map to stay as it is. Current playstyles don't work too well on older maps, and I think it'd be better to throw in different maps like Paranoid Android where a Protoss can't easily FE but a 1 Gate tech or 2 Gate build work perfectly fine. Or where a Zerg can't easily grab a natural that has a main right behind it, basically grabbing two bases at once. Sometimes I like to go back and watch some of those old WCG games, and there were some crazy scenarios (example: + Show Spoiler +
) that occurred, and IMO those make for the best games. Fighting Spirit, Match Point, and Circuit Breaker are all very standard maps, it's cool to throw in a curve ball, in my opinion at least. The positional advantage is the only thing I worry about.

Edit: Also I haven't actually said it but thanks to everyone involved for hosting this tournament. I thought I had completely quit PC gaming but seeing this makes me wanna start playing BW again, and the temptation is quite big.
[SWE-1]rUSKIG
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden9 Posts
July 20 2015 07:18 GMT
#115
i love you guys
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10746 Posts
July 20 2015 07:41 GMT
#116
You guys worrying about scan, should be more worried about my proxy 2gate.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9539 Posts
July 20 2015 14:31 GMT
#117
On July 20 2015 09:38 GoShox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2015 18:37 2Pacalypse- wrote:
On July 19 2015 16:55 GoShox wrote:
On July 19 2015 13:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Paranoid Android in the map pool? I approve


I love the map, but as I posted earlier (which got lost in the argument about Scan playing which sounds eerily familiar to the argument about Idra playing in TSL2), it has a pretty big positional advantage. The top base mines faster than the right base, and I don't think this has ever been fixed, since workers mine minerals faster horizontally rather than vertically. There were some great games in WCG on this map, but it was always understood that the map wasn't exactly fair. I'm just curious as to if this was known about and already discussed. I'm all for seeing older maps as they allow for completely different playstyles, but when you play a game on Paranoid Android and spawn at 1 and know you're already behind, it kinda sucks.

On July 19 2015 17:41 GeckoXp wrote:
On July 19 2015 16:55 GoShox wrote:
On July 19 2015 13:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Paranoid Android in the map pool? I approve


map issue


Yeah, I'm kinda surprised that little people discuss Scan and not other issues with this tournament. Since this is going to be weekly, I don't quite get why you need a Bo1 for a SE tournament only. It'll take some time to organize, sure, but it'll be quick enough. I seriously doubt that in the long run more than 40 people will sign up in total.

As for old map goes, PA seems like a questionable pick, not only because of the minerals, but also because it seems really awkward to play with modern strategies. There are other maps you could try, for example R-Point, Arcadia 2 or something really wacky like Bifrost.

These are good suggestions and something that we're willing to change as we go along.

I remember some discussion about positional imbalance in Paranoid Android, but I don't think it was that big as you make it seem. TLPD shows it has almost perfect race stats: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/international/maps/124_Paranoid_Android

However, we'll investigate if the mineral difference is enough to make a difference and either fix the map or change it altogether.


Race stats are irrelevant as this is a positional advantage issue. I could easily be overestimating the advantage, but any advantage that a player gets from spawning in a certain position, regardless how big, is a bad thing. It could probably easily be fixed by changing the layout of the 1 o'clock base so that the minerals are on the left side, so that each player still has easy access to the other player's mineral line via air.

Eonzerg mentioned changing the natural, but honestly I'd love for the rest of the map to stay as it is. Current playstyles don't work too well on older maps, and I think it'd be better to throw in different maps like Paranoid Android where a Protoss can't easily FE but a 1 Gate tech or 2 Gate build work perfectly fine. Or where a Zerg can't easily grab a natural that has a main right behind it, basically grabbing two bases at once. Sometimes I like to go back and watch some of those old WCG games, and there were some crazy scenarios (example: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40XQGVV2df4
) that occurred, and IMO those make for the best games. Fighting Spirit, Match Point, and Circuit Breaker are all very standard maps, it's cool to throw in a curve ball, in my opinion at least. The positional advantage is the only thing I worry about.

Edit: Also I haven't actually said it but thanks to everyone involved for hosting this tournament. I thought I had completely quit PC gaming but seeing this makes me wanna start playing BW again, and the temptation is quite big.

Thanks for the post. That's exactly the reason why we included PA in the map pool (besides the sponsor expressing his wishes to see a WCG map in it ^^). I think it's great to have a one or two maps that requires different playstyles instead of always the same standard builds. Paranoid Android was probably my favorite WCG map, so I'm curious to see what kind of games we get on it nowadays.

And yeah, positional advantage will get investigated and fixed if necessary.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
July 20 2015 16:37 GMT
#118
Just wanted to add some hype!

Looking forward to the sick games on all the maps, I hope the cups inspire some preparation!

On July 19 2015 19:46 Rekrul wrote:
the fear of scan in this thread is impressive

im rooting for him :D


Definitely impressive, but who knows the outcome :D , like with Nony in TLS2 my bracket will be one of the top 3 (yes)

As for Paranoid Android, please work on the positional balance, if you can get Freakling to take a look at it for you, you'll get positional balance beyond anything the koreans ever provided even with a paid group of mapmakers!

Also Draw is going to beat Sziky, called it first (bandit)
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
BulgarianToss
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria492 Posts
July 20 2015 16:48 GMT
#119
Very good news! I might come around for those from time to time and the beginning of 2016 should bring some of that foreign BW epicness that was kind of lost lately
music is the best thing in the world
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10746 Posts
July 20 2015 18:46 GMT
#120
I was told by a little bird that Telecom the almighty will be practicing BW again to play in this.

Although he thinks the rules make no sense. "No Korean / chinese players" , "BW Foreign Scene"

*A wild scan has appeared*

gg
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
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