TeamLiquid Legacy Cup Series - Page 4

On July 19 2015 00:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Gonna be clear like water,Scan in means everyone is playing for second place,it doesnt help us in anything,players that are inactive right now there is no way they could be in beast form to even take a game from him unless he kills two scvs in the start.sziky is till beatable.Scan is not.I also think some players gonna watch oh this guy playing the tourney no even worth train.. just my opinion.Imo just add some semipros too then we could have a very high level tourney :smart:

On July 19 2015 00:06 GeckoXp wrote:


This is questionable.


1) The Chinese scene at least used to be open to foreigners and Scan wasn't the only one competing there. I definitely remember that Dewalt and Defi played and did comparatively well. Also, Scan did play a ton, he got where he is now from the States, not from Korea. "Anyone" could have done that. By banning him now you would actually punish him for improving, while the underlying message of the announce said it should try to motivate people. That's a contradiction.


2) As for one sided goes - there has been a year or so without Scan around. It was still very one sided thanks to Sziky. If it wasn't for Sziky, it prolly would be another rather unbeatable player or duo, e.g. eOn vs. trutaCz, we had about half a year of that in Defiler et al. as well.


3) Unlike Scan, Sziky [insert many other foreigners] rarely posts here, on Defiler, netwars, reps.ru or bw.de, no idea about psistorm either. He doesn't nearly participate as much. Granted, the younger Scan of 2011 was a childish moron, nowadays he's really helpful in many ways, e.g. by sharing replays, linking and translating sources and helping with the wiki in parts. I don't mean to talk Sziky down or make him look bad, but you shouldn't forget that Scan is definitely a part of this scene, other than the hundreds of SOSPA guys, who barely manage to speak one word, or show any sign that they care for TL/foreigners.

On July 18 2015 21:49 GeckoXp wrote:


cause drama and RUS_Brain will cook these animals

On July 19 2015 00:06 GeckoXp wrote:


This is questionable.


1) The Chinese scene at least used to be open to foreigners and Scan wasn't the only one competing there. I definitely remember that Dewalt and Defi played and did comparatively well. Also, Scan did play a ton, he got where he is now from the States, not from Korea. "Anyone" could have done that. By banning him now you would actually punish him for improving, while the underlying message of the announce said it should try to motivate people. That's a contradiction.

On July 19 2015 04:20 BisuDagger wrote:
I'll sign up and cannon rush scan every tournament. Sound good?

On July 19 2015 02:13 Cele wrote:


tell me exactly in which professional tournament Scan played in which Sziky didnt play? Granted, Scan
trains with SOSPA Stars like Zero, but to my knowledge he doesnt play in Sospa events? Or am i missing something here? As for the Chinese scene: Sziky, Eon and tacz participated in the last C-OSL, Sziky did go pretty far putting up good results and had to forfeit a number of games due to lag issues. So where exactly is the difference?

To clarify my point: I don't see why Scan should be treated as "Semi-pro", given the events he plays, coz he doesnt play high caliber events that sziky doesnt and he doesn't belong to a team sziky doesn't belong to. They both play for Minus) if im correct as Minus)little and Minus)tmzos or somerthing.

It's Bo1 until the Ro8 in Legacy Cups, anything can happen

Anyways, this whole discussion is pretty ridiculous and it's only happening because everyone seems to think that Scan has some kind of superpowers and is "too good". If Bisu played in foreign BW events for years, participated in the community, made guides for us and translated things for us, we would allow him to play as well. It just doesn't make sense to do otherwise.

On July 19 2015 09:00 FyRe_DragOn wrote:


He moved to korea specifically to play starcraft. Sziky still has a regular life outside of bw and takes breaks from bw occasionally. Scan also participated in at least one of the ssl qualifiers earlier, which sziky didnt because hes not living in korea practicing for korean events. I think he was in a group with guemchi or olympus or something, it was a while ago. So yeah, hes a semi pro.



Ok, well then I guess the tournament prioritizes the TL part a lot more than the foreign bw part, I thought it was the other way around. I cant really do anything to change it and I respect your point, even though I believe it will harm the tournament(s) in the long run.

I think it absolutely would make sense to ban bisu from playing, because hes not a foreigner and has plenty of high level korean leagues to play in, and by him playing would make the event a bisu vs world event instead of the premier foreigner tournament, which is what the TLS championship will be too if scan plays, it will be less about the top foreigners and more about if anyone can take a game off of the one korean. I dont think I have a right to play in [C+] cap tournaments or [D/D-] team leagues just because I post in the same forums as they do and make helpful strategy posts for the D players who post help threads, the levels are segregated for good reason. I also dont think letting c.ronaldo play in high school or college football/soccer leagues makes sense, whether hes a friend of the school or not.

It appears that the TLS however is not a [foreign bw] cap tournament but a [whoever posts on TL, even pro gamers] cap tournament, despite being advertised as the former. Thats disappointing, but I still hope it succeeds because foreign bw doesnt have much else. I personally am much less excited about it now than I was originally and much less motivated to return to activity and practice hard, now that I know I can only realistically ever get 2nd place, and only if Im on the opposite side of the bracket as scan or any other korean pro who chooses to play. I dont have time to practice 24/7 and neither does any other foreigner, but scan (or bisu etc) does because thats his life. Obviously I cant speak for them, but im fairly certain that many other currently inactive or even active top foreigners will feel the same way, and will also be less inclined to take this tournament seriously anymore.

On July 19 2015 09:00 FyRe_DragOn wrote:


He moved to korea specifically to play starcraft. Sziky still has a regular life outside of bw and takes breaks from bw occasionally. Scan also participated in at least one of the ssl qualifiers earlier, which sziky didnt because hes not living in korea practicing for korean events. I think he was in a group with guemchi or olympus or something, it was a while ago. So yeah, hes a semi pro.



Ok, well then I guess the tournament prioritizes the TL part a lot more than the foreign bw part, I thought it was the other way around. I cant really do anything to change it and I respect your point, even though I believe it will harm the tournament(s) in the long run.

I think it absolutely would make sense to ban bisu from playing, because hes not a foreigner and has plenty of high level korean leagues to play in, and by him playing would make the event a bisu vs world event instead of the premier foreigner tournament, which is what the TLS championship will be too if scan plays, it will be less about the top foreigners and more about if anyone can take a game off of the one korean. I dont think I have a right to play in [C+] cap tournaments or [D/D-] team leagues just because I post in the same forums as they do and make helpful strategy posts for the D players who post help threads, the levels are segregated for good reason. I also dont think letting c.ronaldo play in high school or college football/soccer leagues makes sense, whether hes a friend of the school or not.

It appears that the TLS however is not a [foreign bw] cap tournament but a [whoever posts on TL, even pro gamers] cap tournament, despite being advertised as the former. Thats disappointing, but I still hope it succeeds because foreign bw doesnt have much else. I personally am much less excited about it now than I was originally and much less motivated to return to activity and practice hard, now that I know I can only realistically ever get 2nd place, and only if Im on the opposite side of the bracket as scan or any other korean pro who chooses to play. I dont have time to practice 24/7 and neither does any other foreigner, but scan (or bisu etc) does because thats his life. Obviously I cant speak for them, but im fairly certain that many other currently inactive or even active top foreigners will feel the same way, and will also be less inclined to take this tournament seriously anymore.

On July 19 2015 11:43 amazingxkcd wrote:
all i just want to say is just man up and get good kids