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On June 19 2015 12:33 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can. I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days. Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town you say he's good he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations to me that isn't good the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him 
no? can you link those so i can put this to rest?
@.@ the tunneling and being a bastard about it in the process is supremely off-putting
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On June 19 2015 12:34 rsoultin wrote:
i should probably bother to read his filter in the witchcraft game but i don't know if i want to subject myself to that more than i have to lol in all honesty
also...i know this sounds strange...but i really don't know what to make of his comment to you, LS
five players like you in the game more than any other player in the game? because he thinks he can read you better? because he was actually trying to be nice, which seems out of character for him? or, and this is paranoia i know but i can't shake it, because you follow him around blindly and do what he says
if it's that last...that's not really a town sentiment. it's not because of your play this game in terms of helping find scum. that's certain
I think part of it is that he can read me better part of it is the last because he was able to make a really good meta case on me when I was scum and actually took the time to do go into the database and posted questions of my past posts to see if anyone can identify which posts were from town me and which posts came from scum me and provided the answers too at the end of each segment of posts. Also I was liking him too because he actually looked like he trying to solve the game and taking the time to do cases and since me and him played together last game in witchcraft ofc he prob go for me since he felt I was town for the most part.
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On June 19 2015 12:36 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:33 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can. I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days. Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town you say he's good he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations to me that isn't good the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him no? can you link those so i can put this to rest? @.@ the tunneling and being a bastard about it in the process is supremely off-putting
Okay here is his latest town game:
Witchcraft III(Me scum vs him Town): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=Wherebugsgo
Here his scum games:
Space Station(Killed Day 3): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/327685-space-station-mafia?user=wherebugsgo
Storm(Lynched Day 5): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/313426-storm-mafia?user=wherebugsgo
BC's Arkham City(Killed Night 2): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/305850-bcs-arkham-city?user=wherebugsgo
Responsibility(Killed Night 2): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/295384-responsibility-mafia?user=wherebugsgo
Mini Mafia X(Survived): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/284685-mini-mafia-x?user=wherebugsgo
Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy(Lynched Day 3): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/281403-team-melee-mini-mafia-couples-therapy?user=wherebugsgo
My Little Pony Mafia(Survived Day 3): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/263036-my-little-pony-mafia?user=wherebugsgo
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lol ouch ls ><
i know i asked but damn...that'll take me all night on top of what's going on in this game
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Part of it is also LS being agreeable. Don't get me wrong im sure there are other reasons.
I'm fairly sure it is the same reason why bugs seems to not call me bad and what not because im shit at forming reads often so rely on others to point out stuff to get me going. Saying this makes me sound like I think im an expert on the guy but I think bugs likes it when people show they understand and agree with what he is saying. If you read witch and pay attention to our interactions you will hopefully get that feeling. So while you could be right rso based of an entire ONE GAME of meta i'd say it is easily a town bugs thing to do aswell
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okay new plan lol
you and ls saying him being an asshat if you don't worship the ground he walks on isn't alignment indicative i'll accept on faith
(no wonder you knew we wouldn't get along, bresh, lolol)
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hey ls, you're the meta master
check my gb meta/personality/tonal thing for me will you?
i assert that
1) he often does use all caps as either alignment
2) he has made bad cases as town
3) his attention shifts quickly in many directions, and often associatively (i.e in Assassination he was so convinced marv was scum that anyone marv voted on he refused to vote for, regardless of his own read on the player) while as scum he tends to focus in on just one or two things and ride it hard (this is not to say he doesn't tunnel as town, just that as town he actually looks outside the tunnel)
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On June 19 2015 13:00 rsoultin wrote:
hey ls, you're the meta master
check my gb meta/personality/tonal thing for me will you?
i assert that
1) he often does use all caps as either alignment
2) he has made bad cases as town
3) his attention shifts quickly in many directions, and often associatively (i.e in Assassination he was so convinced marv was scum that anyone marv voted on he refused to vote for, regardless of his own read on the player) while as scum he tends to focus in on just one or two things and ride it hard (this is not to say he doesn't tunnel as town, just that as town he actually looks outside the tunnel)
I will eventually do it but I just kinda tired and been losing sleep because I been stressing out over this game so maybe see in my document if I learn how to make one similar to the one that bugs had made in witchcraft which made pretty much confirmed town there.
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On June 19 2015 12:52 Breshke wrote:
Part of it is also LS being agreeable. Don't get me wrong im sure there are other reasons.
I'm fairly sure it is the same reason why bugs seems to not call me bad and what not because im shit at forming reads often so rely on others to point out stuff to get me going. Saying this makes me sound like I think im an expert on the guy but I think bugs likes it when people show they understand and agree with what he is saying. If you read witch and pay attention to our interactions you will hopefully get that feeling. So while you could be right rso based of an entire ONE GAME of meta i'd say it is easily a town bugs thing to do aswell
nh
so basically my instincts are probably right that he likes ls cause ls agrees with him but this doesn't necessarily make him scum @.@ eh i don't have anything constructive to say about that
i'm trying to do a vote analysis that is less vote analysis and more...vote+read analysis
if you remember, bresh, that's how i came to the conclusion you were town in student v despite everyone scumreading you, and what they ultimately mislynched me for >< is why i'm asking ls to do different legwork. don't have the time for it all before EoN
do you do similar analysis? i'd be interested to see what you thought, but if it's not your cup of tea, that's fine
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On June 19 2015 13:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 13:00 rsoultin wrote:
hey ls, you're the meta master
check my gb meta/personality/tonal thing for me will you?
i assert that
1) he often does use all caps as either alignment
2) he has made bad cases as town
3) his attention shifts quickly in many directions, and often associatively (i.e in Assassination he was so convinced marv was scum that anyone marv voted on he refused to vote for, regardless of his own read on the player) while as scum he tends to focus in on just one or two things and ride it hard (this is not to say he doesn't tunnel as town, just that as town he actually looks outside the tunnel) I will eventually do it but I just kinda tired and been losing sleep because I been stressing out over this game so maybe see in my document if I learn how to make one similar to the one that bugs had made in witchcraft which made pretty much confirmed town there.
okay lol
well, that third point in particular (obviously the other two are nai) is what really makes me think he is town this game. certain meta is replicable. i don't believe that point is...it requires the perspective of reacting to new information practically instantaneously and extemporaneously which is fucking hard to do as scum and why i get caught out when i hesitate with teammates lol ><
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On June 19 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:52 Breshke wrote:
Part of it is also LS being agreeable. Don't get me wrong im sure there are other reasons.
I'm fairly sure it is the same reason why bugs seems to not call me bad and what not because im shit at forming reads often so rely on others to point out stuff to get me going. Saying this makes me sound like I think im an expert on the guy but I think bugs likes it when people show they understand and agree with what he is saying. If you read witch and pay attention to our interactions you will hopefully get that feeling. So while you could be right rso based of an entire ONE GAME of meta i'd say it is easily a town bugs thing to do aswell nh so basically my instincts are probably right that he likes ls cause ls agrees with him but this doesn't necessarily make him scum @.@ eh i don't have anything constructive to say about that i'm trying to do a vote analysis that is less vote analysis and more...vote+read analysis if you remember, bresh, that's how i came to the conclusion you were town in student v despite everyone scumreading you, and what they ultimately mislynched me for >< is why i'm asking ls to do different legwork. don't have the time for it all before EoN do you do similar analysis? i'd be interested to see what you thought, but if it's not your cup of tea, that's fine
This isn't what i meant to be honest. It is more like he has an affinity to like LS because their play styles can work better together. I think he gave a good reason why he though LS was town for the role claim so saying he only likes LS because LS agrees with him is selling it short.
I'm not sure what you mean to be honest but the votes don't really give me that much other than like if there is mafia voting on GB who is it? Like I can justify a town read on all those people other than VA. So either there is mafia in yamato/ritoky (im currently townreading ritoky) or mafia had a vested interest in getting BF lynched over GB.
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On June 19 2015 13:16 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 12:52 Breshke wrote:
Part of it is also LS being agreeable. Don't get me wrong im sure there are other reasons.
I'm fairly sure it is the same reason why bugs seems to not call me bad and what not because im shit at forming reads often so rely on others to point out stuff to get me going. Saying this makes me sound like I think im an expert on the guy but I think bugs likes it when people show they understand and agree with what he is saying. If you read witch and pay attention to our interactions you will hopefully get that feeling. So while you could be right rso based of an entire ONE GAME of meta i'd say it is easily a town bugs thing to do aswell nh so basically my instincts are probably right that he likes ls cause ls agrees with him but this doesn't necessarily make him scum @.@ eh i don't have anything constructive to say about that i'm trying to do a vote analysis that is less vote analysis and more...vote+read analysis if you remember, bresh, that's how i came to the conclusion you were town in student v despite everyone scumreading you, and what they ultimately mislynched me for >< is why i'm asking ls to do different legwork. don't have the time for it all before EoN do you do similar analysis? i'd be interested to see what you thought, but if it's not your cup of tea, that's fine This isn't what i meant to be honest. It is more like he has an affinity to like LS because their play styles can work better together. I think he gave a good reason why he though LS was town for the role claim so saying he only likes LS because LS agrees with him is selling it short. I'm not sure what you mean to be honest but the votes don't really give me that much other than like if there is mafia voting on GB who is it? Like I can justify a town read on all those people other than VA. So either there is mafia in yamato/ritoky (im currently townreading ritoky) or mafia had a vested interest in getting BF lynched over GB.
lol ><
nvm i'll do it myself. that's not really what i was saying
On June 19 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 09:01 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:59 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 08:55 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:55 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 08:53 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:52 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 08:49 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:
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I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku. I mean no offense to you or your situation personally; that sucks and I am sorry. However, that does not excuse your play and I am lynching your slot without question unless a vigi shoots you first regardless of if you sub out or not. Are you willing to play against your win conditions? Why are you fishing for modkills? You're BY FAR the most anti-town player in the game and towns victory. The ONLY reason you weren't lynched yesterday is your claim. It is invalid, so now the possibility of an anti-town blue is gone. You are scum. Die. FUCK OFF k, i won't post until my vote at the start of the day. I already sent the pm to HTS and FF to replace out. Wow..that is some pretty weak shit. I really hope you're mafia because if you are town you ... No I'm not being modkilled I am VT weather you like it or not. Ask the person who replaces me what role they got. hey you should take a break from the thread. take a deep breath, drink some water, go play some video games or whatever. Maybe play with a pet if you have one. Eat some ice cream. Do whatever you have to, then come back when you think you can help me find scum. Really, I'm serious, I would rather have 5 of you in this game than almost anyone else in the playerlist.
^ that's what i'm referring to, bresh, not the townread
if people aren't townreading ls i'd be...surprised and possibly indignant
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On June 19 2015 09:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
no wonder he hates all of you
At least he is good. He has that right.
You, on the other hand...
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On June 19 2015 13:33 GlowingBear wrote:At least he is good. He has that right. You, on the other hand...
no
reads
if you're town, do not embarrass me
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On June 19 2015 13:34 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 13:33 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
no wonder he hates all of you At least he is good. He has that right. You, on the other hand... no reads if you're town, do not embarrass me
Just got home. I'm catching up.
Don't worry, though. I decided to not shit the thread with spammy stupid jumping reads and have a more solid play
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On June 19 2015 09:22 Fidei86 wrote:
People, I want to talk about VayneAuthority.
That last post really felt off to me. I've been the first one to complain about the tone of the game, but when I did it I was trying to be constructive ("stop posting so much, please, give me a chance to catch up!"). But what VA is doing in that last post is trying to drain the will of the town to keep playing. Four or five people (including ritoky, who I'm going to keep town reading up until he inevitably flips mafia, knowing my luck) have already said they're burned. Why would anyone who was town pile on?
So that took me on to the filter dive. I have nothing to report. There's two pages, and literally not a single substantive post or comment. Nothing, in an entire two full calendar days (and one mafia 'day'). It's all pictures, one-line questions and general filler. No apparent attempt to understand the game, even on a bitesize level.
I'm reading VA hard scum for this.
Fidei, that isn't alignment indicative. I've being calling bugs bad just for doing it and I'm still town.
Try to see people's play from scum and town mindset. Scum wants to survive and town wants to lynch.
Does that post you are hard scum reading VA indicates any of these mindsets?
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On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB.
THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving?
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On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway.
You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read.
You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association
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Ok, caught up.
I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor.
Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin.
I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower.
Kelsier is town
Onegu is town
Ritoky still looks town
Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him.
We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy.
Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also.
VA is a coinflip
I need to read Fidei
I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play.
Am I forgetting someone?
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