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On June 19 2015 11:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
yeah I get that impression too, like most of his posts are near impossible to fake, especially right after another game in which he rolled mafia but had no motivation at all to play scum. People don't get 500x better overnight, and for LS to be scum here he would have to have transformed into some magic mind mender quite literally overnight.
you can take that at face value though since I've only played the one game with him, but even though I may not know LS personally I feel really strongly about that read.
-shrugs-
i agree and i know him a lot better than you do? so that's fine?
^mostly just posted this to acknowledge your existence
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On June 19 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:12 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 09:08 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 07:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry BF.
For the people who didn't vote on GB, what are you thoughts on GB being potential scum? Curious. I know RS said he was town, but I want to know what other people think as well. The people who voted on him have large filters presumably on why GB is mafia. I just want to know where people stand before the day starts. So I just want to post this again because I think its a good question and a bunch of the people who voted on BFarn't around but should answer this when they get back. I also hope nydus is planning on answering this himself. Only fidei answered and I didn't like it very much since his entire game right now hinges on "inactivity due to spam." Same as his reason for not voting on GB? I'm thinking that GB could very well be mafia but I'll tell you my opinion on him when the day starts. We're going to start a good scum hunt when the day starts boys. I can feel it in my bones. Hmm. I find this very intresting but im happy to wait for the day to start. I disliked that when fidel was talking about how he came about his town read on GB he talked more about his last game than this game. I get he was trying to find a parallel but it felt very rushed considering he apparently just read the guys entire filter and that he is going against what is thread consensus
fidei town
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On June 19 2015 11:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:19 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 11:14 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 11:09 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote:
for anyone wondering...
i'm just gonna come right out and be blunt about it (sorry if i offend you ls)
lightningstrike, who barely can scratch together the motivation to play under normal circumstances, has been trying way too hard for scum given circumstances that he'd have to be a complete asshole to make up. and he's not a complete asshole <3 simply, if he rolled scum, he would definitely have replaced out much earlier and i sincerely doubt hts doesn't prioritize his request all things considered
like the only way this isn't true if he's lying about what happened which i refuse to believe he'd even consider doing
he's basically confirmed town in my eyes, and really should be to any players who know him more than passingly
that's my spiel damnnn this read feels dirty. What if after last game he decided to try and step it up. dirty in what way? like, there are things about lightningstrike that i simply don't say cause it's not my place, but this comes from a place beyond meta or tone and goes right to his personality. i've talked to him extensively and we've spent time together outside this forum. personally, and i understand if people don't accept this judgment but i'm pretty confident of it, i think it is completely beyond him to do this as scum. he's been criticized multiple times for being lazy as scum and not playing simply because he's not "motivated". if he ever does overcome that, i sincerely doubt this is that first time Like dirty as in it can't be argued with if that makes sense? Maybe more like scum will be pissed because there goes a misslynch they could have gotten and there is nothing they can really do about it because it is based not on what LS has provided for the game but on who he is as a person. Dirty was definitely the wrong word but I think that jsut comes from the fact that I will probably never vote on LS because of it. lol sorry >< i wasn't trying to manipulate anyone really, just...i don't think after coming to that conclusion that i can easily avoid tearing into people for going after him so i figured it best to just post it now
nah it isn't manipulative idk where you got that from.\ the read is fine the read is good.
It is a necessary thing to post and it makes sense and it prevents town from going down a bad path.
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On June 19 2015 11:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:24 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 11:12 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 09:08 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 07:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry BF.
For the people who didn't vote on GB, what are you thoughts on GB being potential scum? Curious. I know RS said he was town, but I want to know what other people think as well. The people who voted on him have large filters presumably on why GB is mafia. I just want to know where people stand before the day starts. So I just want to post this again because I think its a good question and a bunch of the people who voted on BFarn't around but should answer this when they get back. I also hope nydus is planning on answering this himself. Only fidei answered and I didn't like it very much since his entire game right now hinges on "inactivity due to spam." Same as his reason for not voting on GB? I'm thinking that GB could very well be mafia but I'll tell you my opinion on him when the day starts. We're going to start a good scum hunt when the day starts boys. I can feel it in my bones. Hmm. I find this very intresting but im happy to wait for the day to start. I disliked that when fidel was talking about how he came about his town read on GB he talked more about his last game than this game. I get he was trying to find a parallel but it felt very rushed considering he apparently just read the guys entire filter and that he is going against what is thread consensus fidei town
Why's that again?
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my one just trust me read
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On June 19 2015 11:28 rsoultin wrote:
my one just trust me read
hahaha that isn't going to work so well but we will see how stuff turns out.
What about damdred do you still have the same toneread?
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On June 19 2015 11:44 Breshke wrote:hahaha that isn't going to work so well but we will see how stuff turns out. What about damdred do you still have the same toneread?
he's one of the players i particularly want to take another look at, because i think i may have been wrong on him. i'm actually doing schoolwork right now, but i'll flesh that out one way or another tonight if you're patient
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On June 19 2015 11:50 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:44 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 11:28 rsoultin wrote:
my one just trust me read hahaha that isn't going to work so well but we will see how stuff turns out. What about damdred do you still have the same toneread? he's one of the players i particularly want to take another look at, because i think i may have been wrong on him. i'm actually doing schoolwork right now, but i'll flesh that out one way or another tonight if you're patient
Nah its fine I need to relook at him or maybe take my first look at him is better phrasing but I can wait I should probably do some more exam study anyway.
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Breshke I surprised you didn't follow up on my answer O_o
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On June 19 2015 11:25 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:49 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 10:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote:
LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more. I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it. Yeah im just wondering why you unclaimed. Since the original reason for claiming was to get rid of pressure so isn't that pressure jsut going to come back? Also you claim was fairly safe since you hadn't been CC'd and you didnt have any abilities that you had to prove. This is like fringe stuff though so if you want to talk about your reads like ritoky said that is fine and probably better. Ya I people were still doubting my claim and still thought I was scum for it so I decided enough was enough and decided to just put it to rest.
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On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can.
I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
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On June 19 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can. I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days.
Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
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On June 19 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote:
for anyone wondering...
i'm just gonna come right out and be blunt about it (sorry if i offend you ls)
lightningstrike, who barely can scratch together the motivation to play under normal circumstances, has been trying way too hard for scum given circumstances that he'd have to be a complete asshole to make up. and he's not a complete asshole <3 simply, if he rolled scum, he would definitely have replaced out much earlier and i sincerely doubt hts doesn't prioritize his request all things considered
like the only way this isn't true if he's lying about what happened which i refuse to believe he'd even consider doing
he's basically confirmed town in my eyes, and really should be to any players who know him more than passingly
that's my spiel
I normally don't get motivation when I play scum now adays because I really dislike it since I normally not a evil person irl and never one to really lie unless it's to protect a friend from serious trouble I more of a person who stands up for others than bully others. I do get plenty of motivation but sometimes pressures gets to me and I do weird stuff because of it >.>
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On June 19 2015 12:16 LightningStrike wrote:Quoting my answer to make it easier for you to see since it was at the bottom of the page: Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:25 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:49 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 10:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote:
LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more. I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it. Yeah im just wondering why you unclaimed. Since the original reason for claiming was to get rid of pressure so isn't that pressure jsut going to come back? Also you claim was fairly safe since you hadn't been CC'd and you didnt have any abilities that you had to prove. This is like fringe stuff though so if you want to talk about your reads like ritoky said that is fine and probably better. Ya I people were still doubting my claim and still thought I was scum for it so I decided enough was enough and decided to just put it to rest.
Me sheeping rsouls most recent read makes me questioning you about any of your claim stuff redundent
Basically what it was going to amount to is I don't understand how you thought unclaiming would make the thing you dislike, being pressure, stop occurring.
I eagerly await your reads thingo though.
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On June 19 2015 11:14 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 11:09 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 11:02 rsoultin wrote:
for anyone wondering...
i'm just gonna come right out and be blunt about it (sorry if i offend you ls)
lightningstrike, who barely can scratch together the motivation to play under normal circumstances, has been trying way too hard for scum given circumstances that he'd have to be a complete asshole to make up. and he's not a complete asshole <3 simply, if he rolled scum, he would definitely have replaced out much earlier and i sincerely doubt hts doesn't prioritize his request all things considered
like the only way this isn't true if he's lying about what happened which i refuse to believe he'd even consider doing
he's basically confirmed town in my eyes, and really should be to any players who know him more than passingly
that's my spiel damnnn this read feels dirty. What if after last game he decided to try and step it up. dirty in what way? like, there are things about lightningstrike that i simply don't say cause it's not my place, but this comes from a place beyond meta or tone and goes right to his personality. i've talked to him extensively and we've spent time together outside this forum. personally, and i understand if people don't accept this judgment but i'm pretty confident of it, i think it is completely beyond him to do this as scum. he's been criticized multiple times for being lazy as scum and not playing simply because he's not "motivated". if he ever does overcome that, i sincerely doubt this is that first time
I <3 you Tina!
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On June 19 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can. I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days. Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III
at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town
you say he's good
he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations
to me that isn't good
the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly
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On June 19 2015 12:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:16 LightningStrike wrote:Quoting my answer to make it easier for you to see since it was at the bottom of the page: On June 19 2015 11:25 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:49 Breshke wrote:On June 19 2015 10:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:19 Breshke wrote:
LS are you still around? I want to talk about your claim a little more. I will be in about a half hour because I playing Liquidlegends.net inhouses atm but you can drop by the claim question stuff now if you want to talk about it. Yeah im just wondering why you unclaimed. Since the original reason for claiming was to get rid of pressure so isn't that pressure jsut going to come back? Also you claim was fairly safe since you hadn't been CC'd and you didnt have any abilities that you had to prove. This is like fringe stuff though so if you want to talk about your reads like ritoky said that is fine and probably better. Ya I people were still doubting my claim and still thought I was scum for it so I decided enough was enough and decided to just put it to rest. Me sheeping rsouls most recent read makes me questioning you about any of your claim stuff redundent Basically what it was going to amount to is I don't understand how you thought unclaiming would make the thing you dislike, being pressure, stop occurring. I eagerly await your reads thingo though.
No it wasn't about getting rid of the pressure it's actually because of WIFOM stuff would be very complicated if you guys saw me flip green VT when I had claimed named VT and also because some of the people who were questioning my claim actually were correct though although this is the very first time I did fake claim as town. Also about my reads thing I will try to get it out towards end of night are maybe like a hour before so everyone can read it as like a last will type of thing in case I do die.
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On June 19 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can. I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days. Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town you say he's good he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations to me that isn't good the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly
Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him 
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i should probably bother to read his filter in the witchcraft game but i don't know if i want to subject myself to that more than i have to lol in all honesty
also...i know this sounds strange...but i really don't know what to make of his comment to you, LS
five players like you in the game more than any other player in the game? because he thinks he can read you better? because he was actually trying to be nice, which seems out of character for him? or, and this is paranoia i know but i can't shake it, because you follow him around blindly and do what he says
if it's that last...that's not really a town sentiment. it's not because of your play this game in terms of helping find scum. that's certain
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On June 19 2015 12:33 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote:On June 19 2015 10:29 ritoky wrote:
Yo, LS I calmed down a bit while cooking dinner. I am sorry if me brow beating you turned you off from playing, had no intention of doing that. I think it is the sub-par play thus far combined with an agitator in the thread (who is getting a rise out of me and rsoul who are usually pretty nice) that drove me to just keep hammering you. I kinda realized something though. Way back when I started playing on another forum I did a whole fake claim shennanigans, rescind claim lulz stuff and some1 went absolutely apeshit on me and I was town and it was just bad all around. I kinda ended up being that guy and not being capable of imagining a world in which this comes from town.
So I am gonna try and just wash this whole claim business out of my brain (no promises) and evaluate your play not centered around it. So far from what I have gone through in your filter, I still have you leaning scum (particularly cuz of the shockeyy read flip thing too); but I won't just auto vote and ignore you. Please give reads before the end of the night so I can keep evaluating you with as open of a mind as I can. I will I prob just make a document of my reads if I can figure out how to do one like Bugs did last game to make it easier for you guys to see my reasoning and stuff for it by End of Night. Also about shockeyy his hammer seemed really odd considering that he was scumreading GB more than Boxerfred I think if I recalled correctly but you know sometimes people do odd things at End of Days. Also on the side note ya Bugs can come off as a asshole but he is a pretty good player from looking at his past games and shit when I was playing scum vs him in Witchcraft III at the risk of sounding bitchy, ls...that neither makes him infallible nor town you say he's good he builds a case on at least one but quite probably three towns all in one day, and maybe it's just that we see the world differently but his cases didn't really impress me...he took things that were odd and from what seemed like confirmation bias chose to paint them all scum through the prism of "motivation" which is a fancy way of saying narrative...especially if he doesn't take the time to consider both possible motivations to me that isn't good the problem of reconciling one with the other has me wavering on him constantly Just trust me on this meta read he normally doesn't do cases and tunnel hard as scum from my research on him
On top of that he does actually have a large filter size which he generally doesn't have as scum.
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